Pall Thayer
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Re: The Artist speaking of his Brushes


I don't understand why we can't have the CV. At traditional art exhibits
the visitors usually have access to a bunch of information about the
artist and his/her art (frequently it's way too much but it's there none
the less). Also, I agree with qwerty on the Flash. Alot of Flash users
seem to want everything flash look the same. For instance, you gotta
have a "loading" bar. I'll bet a bunch of people delay their movies on
purpose just so everyone can see their cool "loading" bar. But Flash has
a lot to offer. Maybe that's just one of the rules we have to see if we
can break and pull it off.

Otherwise they seem to me like a good, sound set of rules. I think if we
can get a good sized group working along a defined set of guidlines that
everyone agrees with, that might be one of the first true steps forward
for internet based art. At least one that comes from the artists and not
from Macromedia.

Hinn 10.08.2002 kl. 03:55 ritadhi Eryk Salvaggio:

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> Hi Ivan.
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> Ivan Pope wrote:
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>>> Firstly, if I might just say this, whether we agree or disagree, I
>>> love your
>>> submissions because they give us something to talk about on this
>>> generally
>>> sterile list, and I think we could spend a few nights in the bar
>>> together.
>>> And I think the rules are certainly a step in a correct direction.
>>> Anyway ...
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> I ordered a Shirley Temple the last time I was in a bar and the
> waitress refused to serve it to me. True story.
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>> Are you here referring to your original rules or these new rules?
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> Oh these are the same rules. I linked to the archived rule list. Maybe
> this is where I should end this whole email discussion, but I have a
> bowl of cinnamon toast crunch to get through and nowhere to go.
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>> But rules is rules. Made to
>> be broken.
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> This is the unspoken rule of the six rules. I need to rewrite them, get=

> them more concrete, I don't know. All that you say about the checklist
> for good art, I think is a great idea. If only we had more of these
> checklists. "Rap-Core? Okay; Not 6RC, move along now." It makes the
> whole art process easier I think, if you can just have a list to look
> at when you're doing it. Paint by Numbers Net.Art, for example. Second,=

> all I was trying to do, really, was identify cliches, as I saw them. If=

> people want to ignore the rules I'm not out to put tanks on their
> borders. And as I have been quick to say, I like a lot of art that
> breaks the rules. Maybe I should be more staunch about it. But I like
> Lia, and JODI especially, even though Lia = Macromedia and JODI =
> "about technology."
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>> I think my main issue is that your rules are like a checklist: do
>> I comply, whoops, 40% of my work is in Flash, better cut that back a
>> bit and
>> scrap the CV. Then I am compliant and will avoid the discursive police.
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> Oh, I don't know. I seldom bring up the rules unless it is in relation
> to my own work. Maybe if a new piece by someone else is in flagrant
> violation of my six rules I'll mention it; consider it a permanent
> guide to constructive criticism by Eryk Salvaggio, if anyone ever wants=

> it. I also prefer the rules to be looked at as a puzzle to solve, not
> as a checklist. That is to say; an artist might have an idea but wonder=

> how to express such an idea. Then the artist can say "Maybe I will make=

> it 6RC." If they do and it is good, then good for me, because I won't
> be bored by it. In the process they'll maybe discover a technique they
> like for themselves. The rules aren't criticism, not really; they're an=

> invitation to expanding one's horizons. You are assailing me for
> publishing a cook book because you mistake it for a menu.
>
> I don't think artists should be afraid of the discourse police, and I
> don't think they should be afraid of rules. Rules are a tool to make
> things easier. Break them if you want to and if you can pull it off.
> Break them if you don't want to and can't pull it off, for all I care.
> I've dealt with it for a while; at the same time I think it can be
> annoying. If an artist isn't going to make work because of my six rules=

> then I don't know, consider this my apology now, to all of mankind, for=

> all the lost pieces of art I am responsible for.
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>> Im not sure why anarchy and great art are
>> mutually exclusive? Great art is just the art that changes our view of=

>> the
>> world. Anarchy is just an absence of given rules.
>>
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> But to have "Great Art" you have a checklist yourself things it must
> be; these are rules. I don't like arguing about anarchy- I consider
> myself an anarchosocialist in theory and a typical Green in practice. I=

> mean calling things great or not implies a values judgment and value
> judgments are based on power because one must be in a position of power=

> to make them. Just a thought is all.
>
>
>> I still dont see why you feel that it is a public issue: that you are
>> bored,
>> that you feel it should be like this or like that, so what?
>
> I don't know, why are we talking about it then?
>
>
>> And for the six
>> rules, I mean, are you Chairman Mao? I find your statement that by
>> following
>> the six rules you are making art to be preposterous.
>
> Well I would too, if I ever made that claim I guess I could argue with
> you, but that has never been what I said.
>
>> Whatever else you are
>> doing is in the lap of the gods. I guess my point here is that your six
>> rules are nothing of the sort. They are like the prescriptions of bored
>> busybodies everywhere: dont do this, dont do that, do this, it will
>> all be
>> alright. Sod it, Eryk, dont tell people not to do what people want to
>> do.
>>
>
> Okay.
>
>
>> Write long learned papers regretting the trend towards the attachment
>> of a
>> CV to every bit of work, or the overuse of Flash, make you case where
>> you
>> wish. But to impose rules on us like we are imbiciles, no, please.
>>
>
> Oh that sounds really uninteresting don't you think? Aren't all these
> papers just about forcing out people in a more subtle way? I believe in=

> the new criticism, where the agendas are up front. The six rules
> weren't a high minded way of ostracizing people the way most academic
> texts and criticisms can be.
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>
>>
>> Well, Id rather you didnt invent rules but engaged in a conversation
>> about
>> what ails you.
>
> That's what happened when I published the rules. That is what we are
> doing.
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>> There is a lot to be said on this subject. But I just find
>> your rules to be banal and barely thought out. Just tossed off. How
>> long did
>> you ponder them?
>
> I guess you have a lot to say about the banal. I've been formulating
> the rules since my net.art resignation in early 2000.
>
>> They vary from the absolutist (dont promote yourself) to
>> the trivial (dont use more than 70% Flash, I mean, where did that come=

>> from,
>> how about 65% or 80%)
>>
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> That rule has been eliminated for the Exhibition at the University of
> Colorado, date to be announced. It is now "No Flash," pure and simple.
> Also since I revised the thirty percent rule I'm rethinking the rule
> about documentary photos only and allowing for alteration of images one=

> presents. I'll do it later on sometime.
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> Cheers,
> -e.
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Pall Thayer
myndlistamadhur/kennari
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolanum vidh Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
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DISCUSSION

Upgraded ISJS


Have added two new images to manipulate on the Intercontinental Spontaneous Jam Session(ISJS). ISJS is a musical interface for manipulation of abstract imagery. The abstract images "borrow" from the aesthetic qualities inherent in music and allow for a new sense of aesthetic principles within abstract imagery. ISJS is not a musical instrument.

http://www.this.is/pallit/isjs

DISCUSSION

New project online


The Intercontinental Spontaneous Jam Session is a new project by Pall Thayer. The project explores abstract imagery via a multi-user musical web interface. It was first presented (half finished) at the Atlantic Cultural Space conference in Canada in May. Thanks to the kind efforts of http://www.this.is and the Icelandic Academy of the Arts, it is now accessible online at http://www.this.is/pallit/isjs

DISCUSSION

Intercontinental spontaneous jam session


New artwork by Icelandic artist Pall Thayer, the Intercontinental
spontaneous jam session is now open and accessible at
http://www.this.is/pallit/isjs

This piece explores abstract imagery created via a musical interface to
combine the inherently abstract qualities of music with randomness and
multi-user interactivity to create a truly abstract image that contains
no references to the physical world.

Pall
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Pall Thayer
myndlistamadhur/kennari
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolanum vidh Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
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DISCUSSION

shoutcast/icecast server


Hi list,

I'm looking for someone, somewhere who would be willing to let me run a
live, continuous mp3 stream through their shoutcast or icecast server
for a network art project. If all goes well, I'll be able to set up my
own server in about a month or so but since I have presented and
promoted the project already, I hate to have to wait that long.

Best regards,
Pall Thayer
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Pall Thayer
myndlistamadhur/kennari
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolanum vidh Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
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