Pall Thayer
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Shameless self-promotion:

The English paper The Independent has chosen ISJS as one of it's top 10 sites of the week.

http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/reviews/story.jsp?story24142

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ISJS Live


The Intercontinental Spontaneous Jam Session will be on exhibit at Gallery Rif on the Reykjavik Cultural Night Out, August 17th from 2pm till midnight GMT. So point your browser to http://www.this.is/pallit/isjs It's more fun when there are lots of people on at once. If you happen to be in the Reykjavik area, stop by.

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Re: Re: Re: The Artist speaking of his Brushes etc and other stuff


Hinn 13.08.2002 kl. 14:55 ritadhi Ivan Pope:

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>> Neil Jenkins <neil@devoid.co.uk>
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>> Keywords:
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>> Pall Thayer wrote:
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>>> ...we have alot of people who are good coders and bad artists and good
> artists but bad coders....
>>
>> what i want to see is bad coders and bad artists combined :)
>
> That's nothing, I once met a bad coder WHO WASN'T EVEN TRYING TO BE AN
> ARTIST

I've met lots of really bad artists who don't even know what a coder is.

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Re: The Artist speaking of his Brushes etc and other stuff


So, if I go out in the mornings and collect rosebuds and dandelions and
scan them in to use for colors in Flash, can I still be 6RC?

Seriously, what the Flash debate comes down to (and I think I said this
before, about 3 or 4 years ago) is the fact that there is no such thing
as an "easy" medium. There are alot of people out there doing Flash
stuff because Flash is so "easy" to use. But unless they spend time to
"really" learn the medium, what they do is never going to be great. Also
we have alot of people who are good coders and bad artists and good
artists but bad coders. Unless they can become both, what they do is
most likely going to be rather insignificant. But again, Flash is a good
medium that has a lot to offer and I think shunning it is antiproductive
to the net art community.

Pall

Hinn 10.08.2002 kl. 23:54 ritadhi Jess Loseby:

> hello,
> just thought i'd stop by and have my usual moan...
> stop me if if you've heard it before..er, like the last 20 time we
> debated
> the rules..:-)
> i tend to think the rules as a loose general guide-line or an ideal can=

> be
> good thing for some (although i also kind of think one point of being an
> artist is to break any possible rule that's going but that's by the
> by..) I
> also think that if you can follow them and produce the kind of work that
> eryk is at the moment then its got to be a good thing for some artists
> BUT
>
> why do we always have to slid so quickly into "flash is corporate,
> crappy, obvious crap" discussion..
> firstly, if you have a programming background, lovely! - enjoy the
> coding
> guys, there's little doubt about the freedom it gives you. But flash
> makes
> the net accessible to the many artists who haven't got the
> time/money/inclination to spend god knows how long learning another
> language when they they have a pretty user-friendly one that means
> they can play with artistic ideas rather than programming ones straight
> away.
>
> Secondly, when I was creating textiles long ago, there used to be these
> boring unending debates about useing 'natural dyes' against ready
> mixed ones. The argument being that ready mixed dyes were for plebs
> who could be arsed to go out there and LEARN the craft, who weren't
> REAL artists because they didn't know the DEEP personal satisfaction
> that came from gathering rosehips at dawn and boiling them down for
> 80 hours to produce the EXACT shade of pink for their ART. Same
> goes with this debate. Flash is seen as the cheep, commercial, cop-out
> for the lazy guys. YAWN. it's just a kind of pride. Coding takes longer,
> takes longer to learn, is clever... so it HAS to be better,yes?
>
> well, perhaps if it wasn't about art maybe. But whether an artwork
> 'works' as a piece has little to do with the time the artist has taken
> to
> learn, where they learned, or how they did it. You can spend 6 months
> coding a piece and it can still be crap. You can 6 months of a flash
> piece and it can be crap. You can manipulate an image in 20 minutes
> and it can be bloody brilliant. Because artworks have much more about
> them than the tools...it 'works' as a piece of art because of one or
> more
> of a mix of aesthetics, form, content, style, colour (or lack of),
> tone ("),
> agenda, politics, play, text, texture, sound, emotion, reaction(s),
> observation, rebellion etc etc etc (delete or add to taste)
>
> perhaps its the old art and craft divide again. Craft has always be
> about
> the 'skill' of the craftsman, art (arguably) about the 'object'. A
> craftsman
> wouldn't use flash and artist might...? Perhaps it is the same way a
> craftsman would only use the best wood to make a beautiful table
> whereas an artist would make the table out of teabags, matchsticks,
> lego blocks..just about anything if it said and did what the artist
> wanted
> it to.
>
> Macromedia Is shite. I use it all the time and I hate them. I put up
> with it
> with it because it frees me from my fear of code (alien language) and
> lets me explore. I'm working with video at the moment. I just couldn't
> have done with it what I'm doing in flash without another 3 years,
> rather
> more money and a new brain (mine melts at anything above basic
> scripting)
> 'nuff said. I've bored even myself.
> jess. o
> /^ rssgallery.com
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Pall Thayer
myndlistamadhur/kennari
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolanum vidh Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
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