Pall Thayer
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show me my art


I've just updated the visuals on Looking for the new universal harmony. See=
ing as a single person can't test it out completely, please try it out so I=
can see how it works at http://www.this.is/pallit/harmony

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Pall Thayer
kennari/myndlistamadhur
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolinn vid Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
http://www.this.is/pallit/isjs
http://www.this.is/pallit/harmony

DISCUSSION

Re: Membership fee?


An annual fee is fine. I would be willing to pay up to say $15. But what
about access to the Artbase? I think that should remain free. I think some
of us who have work in the Artbase look at it as sort of a venue for our
work. I for one get lot's of hits on my site from Rhizome and am concerned
about what might happen if only paying members were allowed access to the
Artbase. And yes, I think Raw should be free. I think it attracts a lot of
curious people who just want to find out what the new media art scene is
about or up to and I doubt that they're willing to pay for it.

Pall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:34 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?

> Hi Rhizomers:
>
> I am hoping to start a discussion here on Raw about Rhizome's financial
> situation and a possible solution. This email is rather long, but I'd
> appreciate it if you'd take the time to read it through, give it some
> thought, and let me know what you think.
>
> First, some background information. It will cost about $400,000 to operate
> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we spend it: $6,000 on administrative
> fees (mostly processing credit card gifts); $122,000 on operating expenses
> (phone, rent, web hosting, office supplies, etc.); $177,000 on payroll
> costs (salaries, health insurance, payroll taxes, etc.); $93,000 on
> professional fees (writers, commissions, consultants, etc.). These numbers
> may seem high to some of you, but we actually run a very lean, efficient
> operation. It simply costs a lot of money to run a nonprofit organization
> that offers as many programs to as many people as we do.
>
> In the past, most of our revenue has come from foundations, but foundation
> support is shrinking. We had hoped to make up the difference through
earned
> income from web hosting and online education, but those services are
> getting off to a slow start. We have also, as you surely know, tried
asking
> for voluntary contributions. But so far this year only about 1% of our
> 19,000 members have made gifts.
>
> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for its quarterly meeting last Friday.
> The main topic was how to solve our financial problems. I proposed putting
> the organization into hibernation mode. This would entail shutting down
the
> office, laying off the staff and discontinuing most of our programs. We
> would keep the web site up, ask the SuperUsers to continue to publish
> texts, and keep Raw online. But everything else would stop: no more Digest
> or Net Art News, no more commissions, no more events. We'd stop adding new
> projects to the ArtBase, stop improving the web site (we have a long list
> of bugs to fix and features to add) and stop planning new programs.
>
> The Board felt that hibernation would be a big mistake. Once we went into
> hibernation, they argued, it would be very hard to re-emerge and rebuild
> momentum. Foundations would lose confidence in us (not to mention the fact
> that we wouldn't have anyone to write the grants). Most important, our
> ability to fulfill our mission would be compromised.
>
> Then someone suggested charging a membership fee. This idea has been
> proposed before, and I have always opposed it. Rhizome is for everyone, I
> argued, not just for those who can afford it. I argued that we'd lose
> thousands of members and that our community would become less diverse.
>
> Then we looked at the numbers. The gap between our expenses and what we
can
> raise from foundations, the government, earned income and other sources is
> about $100,000. That's about $5 per member. If every member gave $5,
> Rhizome would be financially stable. We could continue to grow and serve
> the community.
>
> The board argued that we pay to subscribe to magazines, to enter museums
> and to see performances. We pay to attend festivals and conferences. Why
> shouldn't we pay for Rhizome? Because it's online?
>
> Consider this hypothetical scenario. Let's say we introduced a
> sliding-scale membership fee starting at $11 per year with "thank you
> gifts" (T-shirts, etc.) at higher levels. By paying $11 a year (or more if
> you could afford it), you get access to everything: Raw, Rare, Digest, Net
> Art News, the Calendar, Opportunity Listings, ArtBase, Commissions, etc.
> Maybe we'd keep Raw free. Maybe we'd give new memebers a free trial period
> so they could check out the goods before they have to pay.
>
> Would you pay the fee?
>
> What do you think about the idea of a sliding-scale membership fee for
> Rhizome.org? Good idea? Bad idea?
>
> Do you think it would be better to go into hibernation?
>
> I am eagerly awaiting your responses.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mark
>
> + new media rugby
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> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

DISCUSSION

online multi-user interactive sound experience


Looking for the new universal harmony" has some new sounds to it.

LNUH is a multi-user, interactive project on the web that explores abstract=
imagery via a sound interface, simultaneous multi-user involvement and use=
rs IP numbers.

http://www.this.is/pallit/harmony

Please feel free to send me feedback.

Pall Thayer
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Pall Thayer
kennari/myndlistamadhur
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolinn vid Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
http://www.this.is/pallit/isjs
http://www.this.is/pallit/harmony

DISCUSSION

Re: kch (fwd)


Now he's going to tell us he doesn't have knees. Only masochistic
murderous apes have knees.

Hinn 16.10.2002 kl. 21:04 ritadhi neil jenkins:

>>> hihi. super cool. im ur biggest fan !!!
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>> Avoid sending me personal off-list e-mail. Thank you.
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> ditto myopic egotistical knee-jerk
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> + imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ?
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> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
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Pall Thayer
myndlistamadhur/kennari
artist/teacher
Fjolbrautaskolanum vidh Armula (www.fa.is)
http://www.this.is/pallit
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DISCUSSION

Re: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master


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----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: <death@terminal.org>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>; <thingist@BBS.THING.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master

> Atheletes develop strong bodies (practicioners of heiho), and if the
> techniques and exercises of budo are practiced rigorously, a strong body
> will develop just as does an athlethe's.
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> (Takes a look at joseph's body-right).
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> But budo is not heiho / athletics. Physical strength must never be used
> in budo. Only ki is used. The strength of the human body is limited, the
> power of ki is limitless. The use of ki cannot be taught, but it can be
> learned by those who fight the battle within.
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> 'Mountain' state is 'symbolic' of a zen-master state, that is one who has
> conquered himself, all of his weaknesses and self-delusions, and has
> overcome his human-ness.
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> Dogen you are not.
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> In fact Joseph's life-force is very small. He's rigid, inflexible, and
> brutish. Secondly, Joseph lacks proper capability to orgasm which is
> standard of asleep sexual force, and without such awakening there is no
> development to a state of fluid, conscious and vital ki.
>
> His idiotic and psychotic wishful thinking about my 'fear and hatred' of
> him is little but the tactic of a cowardly dog who lacks power, and who
> thinks that mental tricks would psyche-out his opponent, paired with
> spasmodic twitching, and attempts to salvage his self-importance in
> public. Nevermind that he fancies himself a percieved 'enemy'--even though
> it has been made abundantly clear that nobody is attacking him.
>
> The depiction of his state is simply a 'portrait'--and I paint it as is.
>
> I neither like nor dislike Joseph, yet he's a useful example of the kind
> of idiot who damages others, and who is unfortunately become the udulated
> 'hero' in the face of disappearance of proper spiritual traditions.
>
> The other point of the portrait is this: that this kind of behavior is not
> powerful, not knowledgeable, and not life. It is the behavior of a man who
> is impotent to PERCEIVE so he must claw at the 'masks' of others. The
> realization that one wears a mask is certainly one of the first steps
> to conscious evolution. The next step is not 'dropping the mask and baring
> your soul' however, and this psychotic trend is completely stupid.
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> The world proper (not human) is not short in Beings who'd love to feed
> on human essense-energy (as it is one of the: purest energies), and one
> is not given this essence so one may piss it away. The 'mask' is a
> necessity--and the proper form of evolution is to SEE behind the mask
> (which is quite feasible), for those for whom this is possible.
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> For the REST the soul which each human carries is to remain HIDDEN.
> Nobody owes anybody to reveal, show and otherwise make available its
> soul or any part of itself. It is a personal and private business. For
> that matter, nobody owes not anybody ELSE not a whit of their privacy at
> all. AT ALL.
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> When a human chooses to appear in public, in a responsible manner, it is
> up to the individual human to determine how, to what extent, in what
> manner, and how much of itself it is to reveal. In a situation of
> responsible adults, anyone else would naturally simply feel honored
> and blessed at another's presence--in whatever 'minimal' form it may be.
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> Critique is idiotic nonsense. One can either assist or not assist.
> Those who can assist are very few--and while I'm not indicating
> discouragement of seeking assistance, advice, help or conversations,
> this posing of *I'm a shaman' *I'm influenced by Sufism* etc etc.
> is drivel. One is neither a shaman, nor a sufi, nor a gnostic christian,
> nor any of this stuff being thrown around if one is a. not awakened b.
> not in direct contact with a 'school' or 'teacher' who is transmitting
> energetic material (and Im not implying human teachers necessarily).
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> All else is kaput. Wishes, fantasies. 'Dreams'. While i am also not
> discouraging anyone to pursue such interests, the achievement of such
> 'titles' are not trivial. They area pplicable to beings who HAVE done
> work, who ARE awake / evolved, not just to any idiot who is 'fascinated
> by' for whatever reasons-career, he saw another monkey do it,
> self-aggrandizement, etc.
>
> On the subjects of 'power' and 'knowledge' and Truth--they certainly
> exist in an absolute sense, in fact your average human's 'existence'
> is far more emphimeral than those. The reactionary knee-jerkisms
> to the former two are thproughly revealing of many of the posters
> egotistical, diseases, jealous, self-important natures, as well as of your
> pathetic ignorance on such matters and their true nature.
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> Neither power nor knowledge are made available to egotistical
> self-important twits who 'cling' to them as if they're property.
> Power in particular would destroy any such imbecile.
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> Secondly, vital energy, vital strength and self-discipline are
> a life-necessity for all humans. This is not brute force. This is not
> aggression. Refusal to tolerate crap is not a 'clenched fist'--
> never has been, nor will it be. The cultivation of ki in whatever form (I
> am not advocating all run out and become japanese / chinese) is VITAL.
>
> On THESE lists what the majority of posters do is debase others,
> attempt to constrict and cut off ki circulation, and cripple any
> human unfortunate enough to has started any sort of development.
> This is all passed on under the guise of 'dialogue' 'discourse'
> 'critique' and hell--'performance art'.
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> A very large section of posters 'stay quiet' or form little 'elite groups'
> where they stick together and defend each other, huddled in their sleep.
> Rather the opposite of david blah's post, my presence can only be
> threatening to idiots who want to pretend that they are 'important'
> things they are not. And by the way his plea for anycopyright because he
> wants to deface corporate logos, is driven by the same impulse that
> causes one to 'claw' at masks--he wants appropriation of power that is not
> his. Logos are in many aspects derived from 'shields' 'crests' and various
> other similar 'masking' devices, and the REAL IMPULSE is to shatter the
> shield. This is all good and fine if it were directed towards 'the
> narcissistic mirror of self-reflection,' but in ever is. Cause the problem
> is never with ONE, it's always somebody else's fault. Nevermind that this
> gets transferred to the reproductive / fucking impulses and women are
> forthe most part 'shields' or mirrors, so this murderous impulse gets
> transferred to them.
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> Sanity is not expected however.
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> The kind of 'honesty' that you attempt to preach does not exist.
> It's merely an attempt to SLOT humans and tag them with an easy label.
> The pathetic weakness of an ape who cannot deal with reality, and seeks
> security, which in turn manifests as psychotic control mechanisms.
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> What you want is not HONESTY. You want a flat, simple, predictable,
> familiar IDENTITY with which the human is to IDENTIFY WITH. *Oh him
> / her*. The figured out human. The one with the 'personal quirks and
> weaknesses' that somehow make him / her appear less threatening.
> Certainly NOT one who doesn't HAVE any because that'll be a reminder
> of your own state, and that one must work to overcome these things,
> not pretend that they're ornamental jewelry. A weak and 'quirky'
> human is controllable. Safe. Asleep. A strong, aware nd conscious
> Being is not 'predictable'. Not 'controllable'. Never twice the same.
> Never familiar. Connected to the source of knowledge, and to degrees
> available to its being omniscient. Autonomous. And among other things
> free. But that is not 'interesting'. A human victim twitching in its
> trap--be it anger, or making a mistake due to sleep-state, attachment
> and preferably DYING etc. is FAR MORE INTERESTING. Far from artistic
> sensibility, intelligence, and talent, this kind of behavior is informed
> by idiotic stupor and a morbid sado-masochistic pornographic murder
> impulse. This does not come from one capable of genuinely enjoying Self,
> Life, and others, and capable of creation.
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> The reality of the matter is that in FACT I am not wearing a mask in this
> situation because I am capable of doing so in public for some periods of
> time and protecting myself. What you are SCREAMINg about is that I AM NOT
> A MASK. Because were I A MASK, and IDENTITY, you would know how to relate.
> You'd know which holes to look for, and which buttons to push. What makes
> 'me' tick. The truly sad thing is that your so-elated 'human' contacts
> are rarely joyous. You always seek to relate to another through its
> 'weakness' or 'pain'--and when you don't find any you're BENT on hurting
> the other human in order to 'teach life'. Some of you even have the gal to
> claim that they engage in this sadism 'out of compassion (Max Herman,
> Peter von Brandenburg).' Compassion is the ability to transform another's
> pain into 'love'--that is to heal. This is available to awakened
> individuals mostly as well, although I've had the pleasure of encoyntering
> some who doit unconsciously due to 'special' forces working through them.
> Slapping people around like a butcher with flat stereotypical projections
> is not 'compassionate'. Not only that but it strengthens the 'human'
> masochistic impulse (hit me, I deserve it).
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> As is, when writing to 'me', you're screaming at a void, and projecting
> all sort of imnecilities. You are not trying to UNMASK me. You are trying
> to DICTATE A MASK TO ME. This is what you WANT. AN IDENTITY.
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> And this my dearest 'all' is driven by ego. Nothing else.
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> + don't be cool
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