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Re: [thingist] "Exclusive"


Shouldn't matter much, but your decision to do create it in ascii does have
at least one person wondering. You are free to decide whether you want to
answer their question or, if your not interested, perhaps let someone else
answer it. You've obviously chosen not to answer it so..

...to answer his question, I say that he is not necessarily "cheating" but
rather generating a differnt type of art, this HTML Art is defined in this
ASCII-ART F.A.Q. as, "in the 'pure' sense", NOT ASCII art:

(**snip**)
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/techstuff/FAQ/FAQ_Matthew_Th
omas.html)

2. What isn't ASCII art?

The following specialized artforms are not ASCII art in the `pure' sense,
and are not welcome in the ASCII art Usenet groups.

[...]
* HTML art. HTML, the language used in Web pages, can be used to add
special effects such as colours, font size, and (ugh) blinking text to ascii
art, and HTML can be read by some newsreaders. However, the key word here is
`some'. To many newsreaders, HTML art will just appear as a jumble of <TAGS>
and will be totally unrecognizable.

(**end snip**)

"cheating" should better be applied to the fact that he is using, and I am
assuming, an ASCII generator. Since people of the ascii-art news group
generally don't like application generated ascii-art they might also
consider it "cheating".

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Was Warhol a "cheater" for making silkscreen paintings you might ask? Maybe,
he did take short cuts, and so did Rembrandt when he signed his own students
works.

I meant to comment more about this (Exclusive) piece's dangerously "POP"
statement, hence the reference to Andy Warhol, but I do believe I've run out
or breath, and so I should begin another thread with that topic when I do
regain it.

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muserna `"",
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on 8/22/02 8:35 PM, Eryk Salvaggio eryk@maine.rr.com ecrit :

> I don't know. It's not like the piece is about the medium it is in, so I
> don't see whether it is a "purist ascii art" or a "new wave ascii art"
> should matter much?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
> Keith Sanborn wrote:
>
>> It's a lovely piece, but isn't using tonal values cheating in ascii art?
>>
>>
>> Keith Sanborn
>>
>>
>>> The ASCII is only really suitable for a 20 X 16 print. I don't like
>>> stretching the ascii for prints because it distorts the characters,
>>> which changes the whole display.
>>>
>>> -e.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roberto Cabot wrote:
>>>
>>>> strong piece, eryk.
>>>> how big would you print it?
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>> r
>>>>
>>>> Am 21.08.02 11:16:13, schrieb Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com>
>>>> <mailto:eryk@maine.rr.com> :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Datum: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:16:13 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: Eryk Salvaggio<eryk@maine.rr.com> <mailto:eryk@maine.rr.com>
>>>>> An: list@rhizome.org <mailto:list@rhizome.org>
>>>>> ,thingist@bbs.thing.net <mailto:thingist@bbs.thing.net>
>>>>> Betreff:[thingist] "Exclusive"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Exclusive"
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.salsabomb.com/exclusive/
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> t h i n g i s t
>>>> message by Roberto Cabot <roberto@mediamorphose.org>
>>>> <mailto:roberto@mediamorphose.org>
>>>> archive athttp://bbs.thing.net
>>>> info: send email tomajordomo@bbs.thing.net
>>>> <mailto:majordomo@bbs.thing.net>
>>>> and write "info thingist" in the message body
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>
>

DISCUSSION

Re: For Genevsky


max herman

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muserna

date 8/21/02
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DISCUSSION

A Game?


Max,
a game of chess?
(list moves at bottom)
-muserna

max herman

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muserna

date 8/21/02

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DISCUSSION

Re: notes on PNG


on 8/20/02 4:23 PM, t.whid twhid@mteww.com ecrit :

> It
> should work with Netscape 6.x on Mac too (since it works with
> Mozilla) but i haven't tested it.

Send me a link to the test pages, I can take a look at it on Netscape6 Mac
for yah. I was also waiting for this format, in fact maybe on my next job
I'll insist that we use .png

All this talk about PNG makes me want to check up on SVG progress, so we can
open source the vectors online and throw macromedia like MR. T did Deepblue:
http://members.tripod.com/swatkins7/tdeep1.htm

-muserna

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DISCUSSION

Le's GO! You and Me!


Natalie Myer pertholeaccel@yahoo.com ecrit:

> you no, that GO is much more
> challenging then chess.

word- man, not even a computer can crunch the possibilities and
complexities in that game. Computers haven't been able to beat men in GO,
where as Kasparov struggles infront of Deep BLue.
http://www.chessbase.com/images2/2002/kasparov-db01.jpg
(By the way, don't you think part of the Reason Deep Blue wins is because
it's so intimidating, I mean if it loooked like C3PO maybe Kasparov would
think it no challange.
http://www.eti.hku.hk/images/deepblue.jpg

This one is funny, check out Mr.T beating BOTH deep blue and Kasparov!!
http://members.tripod.com/swatkins7/tdeep1.htm

Anyhow, The next computer I get, if ever, will probably be and IBM for
looks, looks cool.

Whats kind of computer you got Natalie?

-muserna

WANTED: Any crazy good GO players in NYC Tri areaz can you teach me some
moves so I can learn how to throw?

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