Martin John Callanan
Since 2005
m@greyisgood.eu
Works in London United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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Martin John Callanan (1982, United Kingdom) is an artist researching an individual's place within systems.
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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Media Arts for the ICA Web Site


The ICA get points for trying; points for doing something. But it's plainly
wrong for an organisation such as the ICA to offer no fee; even tokenistic.

Sa, they have one new web project a month for a year, even a token 500
pounds (3-4 days work for on average London wage) is an annual budget of
6000. If they can't secure a grant for that amount then they simply have
employed the wrong people. I'm sure a corporate hire for a night generates
more income than that. There must be a corporation willing to donate 6000
against their tax bill. It's the ICA's responsibly to secure funding to
nurture and develop new talent and new ideas. Their aim to to support "the
best".

If I'm working 9-5 for the average wage [to survive]; I would not have the
energy to conceive - then develop - something worthy of the ICA.

Prestige works both ways if the ICA do their task correctly and pick the
right works: "ICA is home to the best new art and culture from Britain and
around the world." prestige flows back to them in the medium-long term. The
artist gaining the short-term prestige.

My only fear is destined to become something ridiculous - and ultimately
pointless - like the saatchi-gallery website. That, my friends, is a
shameful website in every respect.

Sadly, certainly in the last five years, the ICA has been following trends,
not creating / supporting the contemporary ...

M

On 26/9/07 21:18, "Pall Thayer" <pallthay@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually lots of competitions do have prize money - why
>> don't the ICA do that?
>
> That was my thought. I guess, in retrospect, perhaps it wasn't fair of
> me to slam them for wanting to show the work without remuneration. A
> lot of institutions do that but what's really pushing the limit is
> their, albeit non-exclusive, right to show the work as often as they
> please. Perhaps my perspective on this has been distorted after having
> spent time in Canada where they have the excellent CARFAC fee system
> requiring galleries to pay artists a fee for exhibiting their work.
> But none the less, I am still disappointed in the ICA. My art practice
> is more than a hobby and prestige doesn't feed my kids.
>
> Pall
>
> On 9/26/07, dave miller <dave.miller.uk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's great you're having this debate. Lots of new media arts
>> competitions work in the same way- they call for work and don't reward
>> the artists for including it in a show or festival, so I don't think
>> the ICA are behaving very differently. The ICA probably feel they are
>> helping artists enough by selecting and showing the work (it's a
>> privelege) but it would be great if they supported artists
>> financially. Actually lots of competitions do have prize money - why
>> don't the ICA do that? They can certainly afford it, with all their
>> corporate sponsorship.
>>
>> On 26/09/2007, Joseph Gray <josephgray@grauwald.com> wrote:
>>> The ICA is supposed to be so important that you should be willing to shell
>>> out money to them to show your work. It's a prestige thing (?!).
>>>
>>> Of course, most of us have our own websites and methods of sharing the
>>> work with the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> The call looked interesting at first, but then I, as you did, became
>>> turned off by the particular verbiage. The ICA will use the net.show as a
>>> way to secure more grants and such. The artists won't see a penny.
>>> Typical.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The writer Pall Thayer writ:
>>> E Sounds great, just one thing. As I was looking through the text at the
>>> E site linked to from the post, one line in particular caught my eye.
>>> E
>>> E "Please note that there is no fee for the work that is accepted for
>>> E inclusion on the web site."
>>> E
>>> E At first I thought, oh good, there's no submission fee. But then as I
>>> E re-read it I thought, no, they want artists to give them their work!
>>> E Is the ICA really so cheap that they can't pay artists for the work
>>> E that they exhibit? Someone please tell me I'm reading this wrong.
>>> E
>>> E If it is the case, that they're not going to pay the artists anything,
>>> E then this line *really* tops off the insult:
>>> E
>>> E "The ICA will retain an indefinite non-exclusive license to make the
>>> E work available through its website, and retain an archive of all
>>> E chosen submissions."
>>> E
>>> E Pall
>>> E
>>> E On 9/26/07, neme.org <nemeorg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> E> The ICA is launching a call for submissions of web-based Media artworks
>>> E> to be shown on the ICA website: submissions are currently open until 24
>>> E> Oct.
>>> E>
>>> E> To complement our existing Live and Media Arts programme, we are looking
>>> E> for work that is innovative, either in technique or ideas. The work we
>>> E> are looking for doesn't necessarily have to be 'interactive', but it
>>> E> must be work that engages with the user.
>>> E>
>>> E> Submissions are open to anyone who wants to show a piece of web-based
>>> E> work that they are proud of or that exemplifies their skills as an
>>> E> artist. It should be a relatively recent or new piece of work that
>>> E> hasn't yet been launched or shown on an institutional or gallery
>>> E> website.
>>> E>
>>> E> More info can be found on
>>> E>
>>> E> http://neme.org/main/700/media-arts-for-the-ica-web-site
>>> E> +
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>>> E
>>> E
>>> E --
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>>> E artist
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DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World


Accidents have happened since human's could reason.

On 25/9/07 15:38, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> it's very normal.. you walk on the street.. you are a researcher.. a stone of
> building falls on you...it should be accident! definiteley
>
> you are shooting a documentary in a park in between blues and greens(not
> only (nearby sea and trees ) but also many big textures in these colours
> exist there becaose of different reasons...then they make an ugly chromakey
> ugly film of you..,they're using your face...ugly pictures,they send allyour
> frirnds and family.. you have nowhere to go.....they listen your phone for
> years it's very normal! and this street accident is very normal?
>
> Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
>
>>
>> TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
>> may not be.
>>
>> Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
>> all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
>> There is plenty of it.
>>
>> There are now other [new] things to discuss.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
>>
>>> No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul.
>>> they eat you in a cafe
>>>
>>> Martin John Callanan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
>>>> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display
>>>> (more
>>>> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
>>>> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
>>>> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
>>>> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
>>>> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
>>>>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
>>>>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
>>>>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
>>>>> malevolent. That requires a human.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pall
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
>>>>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving)
>>>>>> images
>>>>>> and sounds through media space.
>>>>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas,
>>>>>> thoughts
>>>>>> and opinions which are not ours.
>>>>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
>>>>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A, Andreas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
>>>>>> What is a tv?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
>>>>>> try to. we would try to become famous
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on
>>>>>> tv's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Materiality / Immateriality
>>>>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
>>>>>> Science / Religion
>>>>>> Aesthetics Politics
>>>>>> Private / Public
>>>>>> Individual Collective
>>>>>> Elite / Masses
>>>>>> Socialism Fascism
>>>>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
>>>>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
>>>>>> Urban / Rural
>>>>>> Outsiders Insiders
>>>>>> Literated / Illiterated
>>>>>> Artist Audience
>>>>>> Consumer / Producer
>>>>>> Ignorance Awareness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Determination of your position, and more,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
>>>>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
>>>>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
>>>>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
>>>>>> Media as Soft Arms'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
>>>>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
>>>>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
>>>>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +
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>>>>>> +
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>>>>>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends
>>>>>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin John Callanan
>>>>>> http://greyisgood.eu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
>>>>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
>>>>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin John Callanan
>>>> http://greyisgood.eu
>>>>
>>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
>>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
>>>>
>>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
>>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin John Callanan
>> http://greyisgood.eu
>>
>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
>>
>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
>>
>
>
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Martin John Callanan
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http://location.greyisgood.eu

Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
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DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World


TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
may not be.

Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
There is plenty of it.

There are now other [new] things to discuss.

On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul.
> they eat you in a cafe
>
> Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
>>
>> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
>> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
>> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
>> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
>> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
>> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
>> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
>>
>> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
>>
>>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
>>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
>>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
>>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
>>> malevolent. That requires a human.
>>>
>>> Pall
>>>
>>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
>>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
>>>> and sounds through media space.
>>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
>>>> and opinions which are not ours.
>>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
>>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
>>>>
>>>> A, Andreas
>>>>
>>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
>>>> What is a tv?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
>>>> try to. we would try to become famous
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
>>>>
>>>> Materiality / Immateriality
>>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
>>>> Science / Religion
>>>> Aesthetics Politics
>>>> Private / Public
>>>> Individual Collective
>>>> Elite / Masses
>>>> Socialism Fascism
>>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
>>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
>>>> Urban / Rural
>>>> Outsiders Insiders
>>>> Literated / Illiterated
>>>> Artist Audience
>>>> Consumer / Producer
>>>> Ignorance Awareness
>>>>
>>>> Determination of your position, and more,
>>>>
>>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
>>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
>>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
>>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
>>>> Media as Soft Arms'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
>>>>
>>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
>>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
>>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
>>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +
>>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
>>>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
>>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>>>> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>> +
>>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin John Callanan
>>>> http://greyisgood.eu
>>>>
>>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
>>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
>>>>
>>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
>>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin John Callanan
>> http://greyisgood.eu
>>
>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
>>
>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
>>
>>
>> +
>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Martin John Callanan
http://greyisgood.eu

http://okay.greyisgood.eu
http://location.greyisgood.eu

Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
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DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World


It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.

Personally, I have never even owned a TV.

m

On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" <pallthay@gmail.com> wrote:

> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
> malevolent. That requires a human.
>
> Pall
>
> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
>> and sounds through media space.
>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
>> and opinions which are not ours.
>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
>>
>> A, Andreas
>>
>> Publisher Nictoglobe
>>
>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
>> What is a tv?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Private and public must have clash i think.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
>> try to. we would try to become famous
>>
>>
>>
>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
>>
>>
>>
>> Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
>>
>> Materiality / Immateriality
>> Money Economy Gift Economy
>> Science / Religion
>> Aesthetics Politics
>> Private / Public
>> Individual Collective
>> Elite / Masses
>> Socialism Fascism
>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
>> Urban / Rural
>> Outsiders Insiders
>> Literated / Illiterated
>> Artist Audience
>> Consumer / Producer
>> Ignorance Awareness
>>
>> Determination of your position, and more,
>>
>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
>> Media as Soft Arms'
>>
>>
>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
>>
>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
>>
>>
>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
>>
>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance

DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World


What is a tv?

On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku\_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Private and public must have clash i think.
>
>
>
> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would =
try
> to. we would try to become famous
>
>
>
> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
>
>
>
> Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
>>
>> Materiality / Immateriality
>> Money Economy Gift Economy
>> Science / Religion
>> Aesthetics Politics
>> Private / Public
>> Individual Collective
>> Elite / Masses
>> Socialism Fascism
>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
>> Urban / Rural
>> Outsiders Insiders
>> Literated / Illiterated
>> Artist Audience
>> Consumer / Producer
>> Ignorance Awareness
>>
>> Determination of your position, and more,
>>
>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
>> Media as Soft Arms'
>>
>>
>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
>>
>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showid=4355
>>
>>
>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
>>
>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
>> submission which reflects upon