Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Re: word source (pinker, chomsky, etc...)


Hi Lewis
I thought a little about a similar problem a while
back -
I kind of had in mind the idea of a 'Shakespeare
Machine' which would spew out endless tracts of
wierdly almost shakespeare like stuff. A bit like the
infinite number of monkeys with typewriters.
It struck me that it might be quite fruitful to adopt
a statistical approach, that is to analyze a block of
text in a particular language formally simply ( or
perhaps not so simply) in terms of the frequency of
occurence of symbols and of prohibited and permitted
symbol combinations .I believe this is how textual
analysis by computer is conducted for literary
purposes.
( the basic symbol for our purposes being either the
letter or the word - the question of the actual
pronounciation of words in real life is of a massively
higher degree of complexity)
I think that this approach would then be much more
amenable to coding ( of course this wouldn't actually
produce english or italian or whatever if you were
working at the level of the letter, but something
hopefully disturbingly like it and the bigger your
original corpus and the more succint your statistical
distillation the nearer in kind to the original any
result)
If you were analyzing with the word as the basic unit
you'd get nonsense but interesting and evocative
nonsense.
I never did anything about it because life's too short
in my view and it would require serious amounts of
time and commitment to do properly.
It would be interesting to see someone give it a go.
regards
michael
--- Lewis LaCook <llacook@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> um, yes...
> i agree, actually===of course, i could hide behind
> the idea that this is nothing like a finished
> work===whatever a finished work is===but i simply
> must confess that i could not even BEGIN to code in
> a way that would make the computer recognize
> grammatical rules, much less phonetic
> custom===though someday i'd love to do it===
> i definitely agree w/ your comment on "more than the
> demo features"===at times i feel stuck in that mode,
> and i'm still relatively new to much of this (i've
> only been writing code for little over a year, been
> working in flash and actionscript less...)...
> hmmm...i'll have to reply to this when i'm in a more
> serious mode...this is thought-provoking!
> bliss
> l
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Re: Net Art News submission


Max
I'm delighted you like the piece.

&..I'm not playing faux dumb but you lose me
completely about here....
< I'm calling it "the vengeful return of
occasionalism" on ArtforumTalkBack,
does that relate to nemesesia and fluxus space? For
me it does.>

maintain the Stakhanovite post rate!-
obscure- sometimes
vexing- occasionally
boring- never

best
michael

--- Nmherman@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/4/2002 2:06:44 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> szpako@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > Having said that- what do you think of the piece?
> > best
> > michael
>
> Well, if we suppose there were six rules of g2k
> documentary video, I think
> this one would conform to three and the other three
> would be non-applicable.
> I loved it, but I love "Come and See" and Fathers
> and Sons too. I guess I'm
> not qualified to Judge the piece but I enjoyed it
> very much. Archived direct
> stories and interviews like that would be budgeted
> fully if I ever pull a Ted
> Turner. Reinventing Studs Terkel.
>
> There's also the new Bill Moyers' show NOW and
> Frontline to think of re
> documentary, not to mention the artistic questions
> around documentary versus
> imaginative art in general, in all artistic media.
>
> I'm calling it "the vengeful return of
> occasionalism" on ArtforumTalkBack,
> does that relate to nemesesia and fluxus space? For
> me it does.
>
> Max
>
> ++
>

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Re: word source


Max
your posts get more and more baroque.
I think you should consider a collected
correspondance.
best
michael
--- Nmherman@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/5/2002 4:28:15 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> office@plasmastudii.org writes:
>
>
> > They have to integrate with past information (in
> > this case, observations about linguistics),
> effecting the world
> > outside of the mechanical box in the present, to
> not end up the
> > un-bio-degradable garbage of the future.
>
> On this sin typo we both agree Judson my good
> Fanshawe rebelliore.
>
> Rich Herman
> genius2000.net
>
> ++
>

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Re: Net Art News submission


Ivan
In the main I agree absolutely with you.
One of the reasons I wanted to make 'An Enemy of the
People' is precisely that I think in a way my father's
experience was actually a sort of 'everyman'
experience .( in fact he was originally sentenced to
20 years but was amnestied in '41 when Hitler turned
on Stalin)
What I don't share is your fatalism.
I believe we can and must learn from the past.
Not only do I think the piece about my Dad is relevant
to the question of unjust imprisonment today whether
it be in Guantanamo Bay or Beijing, I also think it's
relevant to the witch hunt against asylum seekers
going on in the UK currently.
When my father came to Britain as a refugee he was
welcomed with open arms ( as cheap labour I suspect)-
today the Sun calls Poles and Slovaks- 'The White
Trash of Europe'
That's why I took time off doing arty type things a
couple of weeks back to march for asylum seekers
rights ( 'they're welcome here!'- that's my kind of
slogan) and likewise on a number of occasions
recently to protest US and British imperialism im
Afghanistan.
I remain optimistic that it is worth struggling for a
world where one day these sorts of things will seem
like a bad dream.
Having said that- what do you think of the piece?
best
michael

--- Ivan Pope <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Szpakowski
>
>
> 'An Enemy of the People'
>
>
>
http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/enemy/AnEnemyOfThePeople.html
>
> Arrested on a trumped up charge in 1939 by Joseph
> Stalin's secret police the NKVD, Lukasz Szpakowski
> spent the next two years as a slave labourer in the
> giant Russian system of penal camps, the Gulag.
> Two years ago, aged 87, he was interviewed at
> length by his son, the UK composer and net artist
> Michael Szpakowski.
>
> Ivan sez:
> Only two years, he was lucky.
> The US governmet has started placing people in its
> own gulag. Recently a US citizen was seized off a
> plane and condemned by the President and all his
> henchmen as a terrorist. Handed over to the US army,
> this individual has disappeared into an army camp.
> The people and the courts, fearful for all sorts of
> reasons, refuse to condemn this action or other
> similar actions How many years these people will
> spend in the US gulag, who knows. Hopefully, when
> they are 87 they will be interviewed by their own
> children and art will be made about their
> experiences. We won't learn from it, of course, as
> we never can.
>

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Re: Lee Marvin Toolbox


It's great -worth persisting with, even to the extent
of going to somebody else's place, comandeering their
computer and watching it there.
So frustrating when you've worked hard on a piece
,done all the right things and it doesn't run for some
deeply arcane reason on some particular machine.
But the piece itself- hard to say why it's great but
there's something deeply touching about it. The use of
the Lee Marvin thing is not just tedious chummy
postmodern club irony but transcends it completely.
And there's something about the way the various
windows pop up against the background of the cheesy
and yet rather beautiful song that again I have to say
is *moving*. So hard often to say exactly why one
thing feels like authentic art and another phony but
this piece definitely does it for me. They were right
to give it a prize.
persist!
best
michael
--- furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org> wrote:
> I couldn't get it to work on pc - I thought that it
> was an ironic piece so I
> laughed very quietly...
>
> marc
>
> > i couldn't get the mac download to work.... did
> anyone get this going?
> >
> >
> > On 7/3/02 5:32 PM, "Michael Szpakowski"
> <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This piece is tremendous!
> > > The description-
> > >
> > > <...stylistically ascribed
> > > to the young British
> > > design-school, ....Navigation on the
> > > internet his subject...
> > > .....counters them in an ironical way ....>
> > >
> > > made me fear the worst.
> > > The work is great, like a sort of multimedia Ben
> > > Marcus.
> > > Wonderful stuff!
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "jorn.ebner@britishlibrary.net"
> > > <jorn.ebner@britishlibrary.net> wrote:
> > >> Lee Marvin Toolbox
> > >> by
> > >> Jorn Ebner
> > >>
> > >> is now available in English translation - at
> > >> www.leemarvintoolbox.net
> > >>
> > >> Lee Marvin Toolbox was awarded the Kunstpreis
> 2001
> > >> of Medienforum M?nchen.
> > >>
> > >> The jury - Monika Fleischmann (GMD, St.
> > >> Augustin/Bonn), Gerfried Stocker
> > >> (Ars Electronica Center Linz), Tjark Ihmels
> (award
> > >> holder 2000) as well KP
> > >> Ludwig John and Ulrich M?ller (both Medienforum
> > >> M?nchen) - decided
> > >> unanimously for the project LEE MARVIN TOOLBOX
> of
> > >> London based artist Jorn
> > >> Ebner.
> > >>
> > >> Lee Marvin Toolbox is a filigree and elliptical
> work
> > >> for the internet. With
> > >> Flash animations which can be stylistically
> ascribed
> > >> to the young British
> > >> design-school, Jorn Ebner makes Navigation on
> the
> > >> internet his subject
> > >> matter and counters them in an ironical way
> with the
> > >> famous cowboy song, "I
> > >> was born under a wanderin star".
> > >>
> > >> The work is best viewed with Internet Explorer
> 5.x
> > >> and higher, and requires
> > >> a Flash5Player Plugin.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> for further information contact:
> > >> www.medienforum.org
> > >> info@medienforum.org
> > >> jorn.ebner@britishlibrary.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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