Michael Szpakowski
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michael

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Re: fee


There are two seperate strands to this. Yes ,excellent
if people help to raise cash for Rhizome, nice perhaps
if it's possible to supplement the activities of the
core staff ( and I think the superusers thing has been
really good) but personally I'm old fashioned enough
to think we should actually try and defend and
maintain people's jobs.( and as Mark correctly
observes most things simply get done better that way
too).
That's why ultimately I think a membership fee is the
answer.
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the rather
dismissive comments I've read here about the various
elements of Rhizome - there's a whiff of cynicism
about them - call me naive but I think the whole thing
is great.
I've enjoyed enormously the discussions on RAW as well
as regularly browsing through the artbase.Both are an
education.
Michael

<i know this sounds
old-fashioned in an era of
flexible staffing and virtual workplaces, but some
tasks really do require
the concentrated attention of someone who is
committed over time, who knows
the organization's history and understands how all
the various pieces fit
together. >

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DISCUSSION

Re: Um, Suck on This One Bitches?


indeed- Max?
Michael
--- Rachel Greene <rachel@rhizome.org> wrote:
>
> i don't understand the subject line of your email?
> -- rachel
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
http://nytimes.com/2002/10/27/books/review/27SHULEVT.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > (A good man is hard to find--Flannery O'Connor)
> >
> > ++
> >
> >
> >
>
_________________________________________________________________
> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you --
> try MSN!
> >
>
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
> >
> > + new media rugby
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms
> set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
> + new media rugby
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
> out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at
http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

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Re: Cash on the table


Hi Lee
I'm not prepared to play 'who gave what amount and
when' -I actually don't think it's that helpful.
I've given in the past ( listed as anon) and I've said
what I'm prepared to give in future - it's not a
matter thought of individual moralising but of
establishing a structure that maintains Rhizome and
access to Rhizome for those who don't have disposable
income.
On another note, I'm up for the idea of a CD -why not
a CD ROM though?, with people donating a work not on
the artbase - what a great opportunity to combine
fundraising with showing the enormous diversity of
work created by those involved in Rhizome.
(and I'm equally happy to cede my place on such a
project to someone better known and with more drawing
power)
Whatever is decided I'm quite happy to donate either
an original piece of music or an artwork
best
Michael

--- Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net> wrote:
> Who has donated money in the last 24 hours.
> I just gave 11$, a minor amount for the years of
> enjoyment I've got out of
> Rhizome. I will continue to donate in the future.
>
> Cheers
> Lee
>
> on 10/25/02 7:41 PM, Michael Szpakowski at
> szpako@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Rhizome has been really important to me. I have
> > learned a lot from it plus I got a real sense of a
> > body of people with similar concerns ( *community*
> > always seems a tad twee) engaged in a sometimes
> vastly
> > irritating but always for me addictive dialogue
> about
> > art and it's relationship to the world.
> > In my ideal world of course it would be funded
> > generously but if it's not then I for one am
> certainly
> > willing to pay a fee to make sure I can get my
> fix.
> > I tend to agree with those who think access to the
> > artbase should be general and free( because it's
> our
> > calling card to the wider world). Everything else,
> in
> > this imperfect world, I would be happy to cough up
> > for.
> > I do take David's point however. It would be a
> tragedy
> > if a world which is happy to fund war but not art
> > forced those without spare cash whether in the USA
> or
> > Europe or elsewhere to quit the list and the site.
> > So I suggest that those of us who can afford it
> pay
> > double whatever rate is decided so that free
> > membership is available to anyone who declares (
> > privately) an inability to pay the membership fee
> and
> > that this system is instituted entirely on trust.
> A
> > sort of 'twinning' arrangement.
> > $15 (Pall's suggestion) doesn't strike me as an
> > unreasonable basic annual fee. Tonight I spent a
> fiver
> > ( =$7.50?) on a bottle of wine. I'd certainly be
> > comfortable with paying $30 p.a for something I
> value
> > a lot under the system I've described.
> > regards
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > --- David Goldschmidt <david@personify.tv> wrote:
> >> i'll pay. although i think the sliding scale
> should
> >> be based on where one
> >> lives. americans and west europeans should pay
> more
> >> while folks from less
> >> affluent regions should pay less (or free).
> >>
> >> david goldschmidt
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
> >> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:34 PM
> >> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Rhizomers:
> >>>
> >>> I am hoping to start a discussion here on Raw
> >> about Rhizome's financial
> >>> situation and a possible solution. This email is
> >> rather long, but I'd
> >>> appreciate it if you'd take the time to read it
> >> through, give it some
> >>> thought, and let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>> First, some background information. It will cost
> >> about $400,000 to operate
> >>> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we spend it:
> >> $6,000 on administrative
> >>> fees (mostly processing credit card gifts);
> >> $122,000 on operating expenses
> >>> (phone, rent, web hosting, office supplies,
> etc.);
> >> $177,000 on payroll
> >>> costs (salaries, health insurance, payroll
> taxes,
> >> etc.); $93,000 on
> >>> professional fees (writers, commissions,
> >> consultants, etc.). These numbers
> >>> may seem high to some of you, but we actually
> run
> >> a very lean, efficient
> >>> operation. It simply costs a lot of money to run
> a
> >> nonprofit organization
> >>> that offers as many programs to as many people
> as
> >> we do.
> >>>
> >>> In the past, most of our revenue has come from
> >> foundations, but foundation
> >>> support is shrinking. We had hoped to make up
> the
> >> difference through
> >> earned
> >>> income from web hosting and online education,
> but
> >> those services are
> >>> getting off to a slow start. We have also, as
> you
> >> surely know, tried
> >> asking
> >>> for voluntary contributions. But so far this
> year
> >> only about 1% of our
> >>> 19,000 members have made gifts.
> >>>
> >>> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for its
> >> quarterly meeting last Friday.
> >>> The main topic was how to solve our financial
> >> problems. I proposed putting
> >>> the organization into hibernation mode. This
> would
> >> entail shutting down
> >> the
> >>> office, laying off the staff and discontinuing
> >> most of our programs. We
> >>> would keep the web site up, ask the SuperUsers
> to
> >> continue to publish
> >>> texts, and keep Raw online. But everything else
> >> would stop: no more Digest
> >>> or Net Art News, no more commissions, no more
> >> events. We'd stop adding new
> >>> projects to the ArtBase, stop improving the web
> >> site (we have a long list
> >>> of bugs to fix and features to add) and stop
> >> planning new programs.
> >>>
> >>> The Board felt that hibernation would be a big
> >> mistake. Once we went into
> >>> hibernation, they argued, it would be very hard
> to
> >> re-emerge and rebuild
> >>> momentum. Foundations would lose confidence in
> us
> >> (not to mention the fact
> >>> that we wouldn't have anyone to write the
> grants).
> >> Most important, our
> >>> ability to fulfill our mission would be
> >> compromised.
> >>>
> >>> Then someone suggested charging a membership
> fee.
> >> This idea has been
> >>> proposed before, and I have always opposed it.
> >> Rhizome is for everyone, I
> >>> argued, not just for those who can afford it. I
> >> argued that we'd lose
> >>> thousands of members and that our community
> would
> >> become less diverse.
> >>>
> >>> Then we looked at the numbers. The gap between
> our
> >> expenses and what we
> >> can
> >>> raise from foundations, the government, earned
> >> income and other sources is
> >>> about $100,000. That's about $5 per member. If
> >> every member gave $5,
> >>> Rhizome would be financially stable. We could
> >> continue to grow and serve
> >>> the community.
> >>>
> >>> The board argued that we pay to subscribe to
> >> magazines, to enter museums
> >>> and to see performances. We pay to attend
> >> festivals and conferences. Why
> >>> shouldn't we pay for Rhizome? Because it's
> online?
> >>>
> >>> Consider this hypothetical scenario. Let's say
> we
> >> introduced a
> >>> sliding-scale membership fee starting at $11 per
> >> year with "thank you
> >>> gifts" (T-shirts, etc.) at higher levels. By
> >> paying $11 a year (or more if
>
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Re: Membership fee?


<Honor system? I don't think this makes sense. >
why?

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