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Re: funny and witty


Nice to see you back Max.
michael
--- Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm having withdrawal symptoms from the internet,
> talking to people here, etc. My sobriety seems
> pretty good, I like being sober, over two months
> now, but of course as I wake up from drink I get
> these big stress-feelings. It's very confusing.
> Uncomfortably depressive.
>
> If Rhizomelist has been much better since I've been
> gone, tell me that. If you think I should focus on
> things like meditation, diet, exercise, and so
> forth, to assist with depression rather than go back
> onto lists, you can say that too.
>
> I would also like to regular mail audio tapes of my
> band Shlagel to someone in the US who could put them
> online. They are one-track recordings from a room
> mic (cheap boombox) but they're good enough for the
> web. Plus if you have the ability to work with the
> sound digitally they might be improved. It's
> basically four-piece rock and roll, all originals,
> say 25 songs, some covers also.
>
> I've been thinking a lot about the things
> Death/Karei said about me, quite a variety of
> things, all of course blended with all the other
> stuff in my head, new stuff coming into my head,
> etc.
>
> This is kind of an experiment to see if posting
> again will help stop my depression from coming back.
> When I quit drinking in January 2000 I got very
> depressed about whether thinking and expressing the
> way I do was terribly bad, horrendous, vicious,
> whatever. Pretty much all the real humans I hung
> out with at the time agreed that my expressive
> activity was killing me, and the way to lick
> depression was to quit it entirely and say go to law
> school or be a teacher and so. It's been a
> recurring pattern in my life, of trying to
> articulate something, then showing it to someone,
> them not liking it, me getting depressed about it,
> despairing, then kind of starting over. If you
> think this is because I have mental illness,
> character defects, character disorders, or whatever
> other kinds of personal problems, tell me that
> please.
>
> What doesn't work is the idea that the CIA or NSA
> will terminate me if I express myself the way I want
> to. I just can't digest that one. I also concede
> that perhaps my brain or mind is equally as
> polluted, damaged, and degraded as my body.
>
> It also depresses me to think as if Karei is a
> disgusting vermin, because it just doesn't digest.
> He seems to have some energy that might benefit me.
> I acknowledge that he is certainly tremendously
> correct about the majority of his criticisms of me,
> but I am also upset that I either did or could not
> reply to him in the best manner.
>
> There must be those who would say that Karei is a
> leper and has to be shunned etc. Same thing about
> myself. I have unease about some answers or
> expressions I want to say to him.
>
> The idea that my duty, responsibility, or destiny is
> to write a very good salable book and stop wasting
> my energy on lists may be true. I'm writing a book
> about Genius 2000 called "Genius 2000 (A New
> History)" but I am still having this depressive
> reaction to life sober. It just started about three
> days ago; before that I felt really good about being
> clean forever.
>
> Spirituality is one thing that Karei mentioned, so
> maybe that is some common topic he and I can
> discuss. Of course I have no right or authority to
> choose the topic, or use coercive mob tactics
> against him or anyone else.
>
> As for the mob support of Genius 2000, from my own
> vantage I see it the other way around, that the
> respectable mob is persecuting me.
>
> Like I said this is just an experiment to see if
> posting again can help my depression not come back.
>
> Max Herman
> www.geocities.com/genius-2000/55.JPG (summer 1983
> doodle)
>
> ++
>
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Re: Re: Re: ART, Inc. necessary evil


of course the notion that artists should be 'as
complex as necessary but no more so' or ' they should
make their texts as easy to read as
possible without
sacrificing the meaning they are trying to convey.'
or however one chooses to put it, begs a lot of very
interesting questions about what exactly constitutes
artistic 'clarity'. I don't think a definition of this
would exclude complexity , depth or richness all of
which qualities seem to me to be pretty well
*defining* in terms of art.
I just got home from a performance of Heiner Goebbel's
'Hashirigaki' ( Brits out there -it's at the Barbican
till Saturday -buy or steal a ticket - it's
stunning!)and both of us who went agreed that we felt
the the piece achieved an enormous level of clarity
but without having a clear narrative & with a real
depth of light and shade and very wide and complex
cultural references from Brian Wilson to kabuki ( and
which tellingly in this context never came over as
clever-clever or showing off)
I'd have to do a lot of thinking to articulate why I
can justify that feeling of clarity but I'm convinced
I could. I'm convinced thee are hard won but
relatively clear words that would explain this
feeling.
As for philosophers Curt - don't let them off the
hook! -actually they and politicians and cultural
commentators and sociologists &c&c should be granted
*less* licence than artists in my view.
best
michael

--- "t.whid" <twhid@mteww.com> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 05:22 PM, curt
> cloninger wrote:
>
> > t:
> > should philosophers make their texts easy to read
> so that the general
> > public can understand it?
> >
> > c:
>
> >
>
> hah! can't argue with that. of course a writer
> should attempt to be
> clear. artists have the privilege of being ambiguous
> tho.
>
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Re: Re: Re: ART, Inc. necessary evil


<At 4:32 PM -0800 11/19/02, -IID42 Kandinskij @27+
wrote:

Absolutely. Cater to thelowest common denominator.
Simplistic flatness uber alles.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42>
gosh! is he still there? zzzzzzzzz.
Michael

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Re: Re: Re: ART, Inc. necessary evil


<... should make their texts as easy to read as
possible without sacrificing the meaning they are
trying to convey...>
excellent! -it should be a kind of hippocratic oath
for artists , philosophers and politicians.
..and how easy to encapsulate thusly and how difficult
to do!
Michael

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