Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Charity CD Project


<How about each peice use as input, output from
another piece on the CD? >
I think this is a great idea -we are talking artowrks
rather that audio CD here right?
Why not an immediate call for participants on the
list.
(maybe with specific mails to people it would be good
to target)
Then someone ( lee, joseph?) decides an order of play.
It's made clear that these things need to be made to a
shortish deadline
The first work is created and mailed or a link is sent
to the next artist, and so on.
The disadvantage here is that even if each artists
make a piece in a week we're still talking 20 weeks
so....
...to make it quicker I suggest the original work is
mailed to two artists and so on - or even maybe the
'order of play' could be Rhizome like.
The thing i really like about this format is that it
feels very collective- it would also be great to have
artists who have engaged in fairly fierce polemic on
the list united in common cause -how about Grancher
remixes Cloninger or vice versa &c.( maybe this is a
bit unlikely but you get the point!)
anyway thats my two penny worth.
best
michael

>
>
> joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
>
> go shopping ->
> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> call me 646 279 2309
>
>
>
> Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
>
> > Hello all
> >
> > Should we decide upon a theme?
> > What are the primary social topics discussed on
> Rhizome?
> > First thing to come to mind for me was, kNOwwWARe.
> > All just a play on words, sounds, images.
> > I think it should make people laugh. People need
> to laugh more.
> > How can we make this more of a collaboration that
> a group of individuals
> > from Rhizome making a compilation CD?
> >
> > Help me out here
> > Cheers
> > Lee
> >
> >
> > on 11/4/02 1:57 PM, Max Herman at
> maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is going to have to wait for me till Jan
> 03. I'll be off neternet
> > > stuff till then.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> > >> To: Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>
> > >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>,
> mt@rhizome.org,list@rhizome.org
> > >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> > >> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:52:32 +0000
> > >>
> > >> Ok lets get it organized.
> > >>
> > >> Max, you curate the CD show.
> > >> Lee, you promote the show
> > >> I will get the first 100 CDs mastered and
> printed.
> > >>
> > >> We sell it for $50 bucks a peice.
> > >>
> > >> I cover my costs and Rhizome should net around
> $4500
> > >>
> > >> Ready 2 go?
> > >>
> > >> joseph
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> > >>
> > >>> I donate art to Rhizome, music, images, etc.
> The CD Idea is preaty good
> > >> and
> > >>> has worked for other nonprofit org like,
> Lumpen Magazine in Chicago.
> > >>> http://www.lumpen.com/
> > >>>
> > >>> on 10/25/02 2:12 AM, Max Herman at
> maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yeah, I was thinking a big fatty music CD,
> all proceeds to Rhizome,
> > >> I'd
> > >>>> donate a song'r two.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> > >>>>> Reply-To: joseph@electrichands.com
> > >>>>> To: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>
> > >>>>> CC: list@rhizome.org
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> > >>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 05:45:52 +0000
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Its time to talk about industry mergers.
> Forget the membership fees,
> > >> very
> > >>>>> few
> > >>>>> will pay. If you are about to fold, either
> fold, or start a capital
> > >>>>> campaign
> > >>>>> to raise 7 figures. Fold or Bold.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> joseph
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Quoting Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Rhizomers:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am hoping to start a discussion here on
> Raw about Rhizome's
> > >> financial
> > >>>>>> situation and a possible solution. This
> email is rather long, but
> > >> I'd
> > >>>>>> appreciate it if you'd take the time to
> read it through, give it
> > >> some
> > >>>>>> thought, and let me know what you think.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> First, some background information. It will
> cost about $400,000 to
> > >>>>> operate
> > >>>>>> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we spend
> it: $6,000 on
> > >> administrative
> > >>>>>> fees (mostly processing credit card gifts);
> $122,000 on operating
> > >>>>> expenses
> > >>>>>> (phone, rent, web hosting, office supplies,
> etc.); $177,000 on
> > >> payroll
> > >>>>>> costs (salaries, health insurance, payroll
> taxes, etc.); $93,000 on
> > >>>>>> professional fees (writers, commissions,
> consultants, etc.). These
> > >>>>> numbers
> > >>>>>> may seem high to some of you, but we
> actually run a very lean,
> > >> efficient
> > >>>>>> operation. It simply costs a lot of money
> to run a nonprofit
> > >>>>> organization
> > >>>>>> that offers as many programs to as many
> people as we do.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In the past, most of our revenue has come
> from foundations, but
> > >>>>> foundation
> > >>>>>> support is shrinking. We had hoped to make
> up the difference through
> > >>>>> earned
> > >>>>>> income from web hosting and online
> education, but those services are
> > >>>>>> getting off to a slow start. We have also,
> as you surely know, tried
> > >>>>> asking
> > >>>>>> for voluntary contributions. But so far
> this year only about 1% of
> > >> our
> > >>>>>> 19,000 members have made gifts.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for its
> quarterly meeting last
> > >>>>> Friday.
> > >>>>>> The main topic was how to solve our
> financial problems. I proposed
> > >>>>> putting
> > >>>>>> the organization into hibernation mode.
> This would entail shutting
> > >> down
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> office, laying off the staff and
> discontinuing most of our programs.
> > >> We
> > >>>>>> would keep the web site up, ask the
> SuperUsers to continue to
> > >> publish
> > >>>>>> texts, and keep Raw online. But everything
> else would stop: no more
> > >>>>> Digest
> > >>>>>> or Net Art News, no more commissions, no
> more events. We'd stop
> > >> adding
> > >>>>> new
> > >>>>>> projects to the ArtBase, stop improving the
> web site (we have a long
> > >>>>> list
> > >>>>>> of bugs to fix and features to add) and
> stop planning new programs.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Board felt that hibernation would be a
> big mistake. Once we went
> > >>>>> into
> > >>>>>> hibernation, they argued, it would be very
> hard to re-emerge and
>
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DISCUSSION

Re: streaming media


Absolutely!
I've recently chatted to a couple of people who said
'You can't do multimedia for a dial up'
I beg to differ.
I love restrictions - like the 5k.org, like Eryk's
'rules'.
If every computer in the world ceased to function
tomorrow the test of all the artists working on the
net would be whether they could still make interesting
art.
best
Michael

<The trick is to modify one's narrative
conventions/expectations in
order to find a compelling voice within the confines
of this medium.
The bandwidth "problem" thus becomes a welcome
opportunity to explore
minimalist/micro narrative>

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Re: fee


There are two seperate strands to this. Yes ,excellent
if people help to raise cash for Rhizome, nice perhaps
if it's possible to supplement the activities of the
core staff ( and I think the superusers thing has been
really good) but personally I'm old fashioned enough
to think we should actually try and defend and
maintain people's jobs.( and as Mark correctly
observes most things simply get done better that way
too).
That's why ultimately I think a membership fee is the
answer.
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the rather
dismissive comments I've read here about the various
elements of Rhizome - there's a whiff of cynicism
about them - call me naive but I think the whole thing
is great.
I've enjoyed enormously the discussions on RAW as well
as regularly browsing through the artbase.Both are an
education.
Michael

<i know this sounds
old-fashioned in an era of
flexible staffing and virtual workplaces, but some
tasks really do require
the concentrated attention of someone who is
committed over time, who knows
the organization's history and understands how all
the various pieces fit
together. >

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