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Re: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence


What can I say -I'm glad it does it for you.
I found it utterly trite. I'm not interested in
arguing whether it's net art or not ( who cares
whether it's this or that critical category).
I meant poverty in the sense of artistically and
intellectually bankrupt.
michael
--- "Marisa S. Olson" <marisa@sfcamerawork.org>
wrote:
> "data diaries" is one of the most beautiful things
> i've see on the
> net in quite some time and, in all honesty, it's
> restored some of my
> recently lost faith/enchantment with net art.
>
> {of course, one may argue that it is not "net art"
> because arcangel
> is not a "net artist," per se, but it's rendered in
> a way that bears
> site-specificity/-reflexivity, given that it's
> encoded for a
> primarily internet-based video medium/channel and
> is, afterall,
> presented on the internet...}
>
> "poverty"? arte poverte this is not, if only because
> it clearly has a
> very specific content (to bracket medium-specific
> issues). if
> "poverty" refers to a certain aesthetic void, i
> would strongly
> disagree. the work is far from static and is
> visually stunning--yes,
> i said stunning... nonetheless, some of history's
> greatest painters
> gave us work that might also be called "wallpaper"
> but their blue
> boxes, white on white, image loops, pinstripes, and
> swaths of
> camouflage remain rich in both content and poetics.
>
> to me, this trumps the work currently being called
> "net art" simply
> because it exists on the net, without awareness of
> network conditions
> or which simply caters to a darwinian-"evolutionary"
> lust for higher
> technologies, resulting in self-congratulatory
> didactics.. two main
> pitfalls in much contemporary "net art," as i see
> it. this is another
> reason that arcangel's interest in "defunct' media
> and dirt-style
> design are refreshing, if not downright
> nostalgia-inducing.
>
> marisa
>
> > > DATA DIARIES is <...>
> >..but of course that's not what we see at all.
> There's
> >no way the viewer can know that what is on the
> screen
> >has some connection to Cory's this and that except
> by
> >way of the artist statement.
> >Take the 'concept' away and the poverty of the
> thing
> >immediately becomes apparent - if the artist simply
> >constructed the images we see we might say, OK
> that's
> >vaguely interesting and attractive in a kind of
> >wallpaper way for about 2 seconds but 11 hours
> >...please!
> >By far the most interesting thing about the piece
> is
> >the neat lo fi handwritten bubbles and the general
> >presentation of the piece, but then maybe that took
> a
> >little bit of craft.
> >michael
>
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Re: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence


<there's nothing
wrong with having to
know a few things to appreciate an artwork. you've
been trained from
birth to look at media in different ways and there
is no reason why you
shouldn't learn something that takes 15 seconds to
read to appreciate
another level of this work.>
I absolutly agree -if there's any substance there.
Here there is none.
It's about as interesting as the lights on/off piece
which won the Turner prize here last year.
<what's interesting is it's organic yet
machine-like
animation. it's full of surprises if you watch it
for a little while.>
so's the visual that comes with my defrag utility.
michael

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Re: trivial connections/stop the war/new work


Personally I think this is great - we could debate
it's strengths and weaknesses- but for me this just
makes the Cory Arcangel piece look even more
depressing and cynical because at least this attempts
to manipulate the medium to produce some kind of
affective result in the viewer both directly in terms
of the content, the ideas, but also in our
appreciation of the skill with which the medium is
handled.
Michael
--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I been working on a new body of work for this year
> and this is the first.
> The idea sprung up with my [trivial] connections
> between the domestic
> and internet but it was so influenced by the stop
> the war debate and
> everything going on it turned into something quite
> different....
>
> Anyway,
>
>
http://www.rssgallery.com/trivialconnections/woman2.html
> Flash 6 and soundcard & speakers needed. 'womans
> work' covered by
> me with permission by Kate Bush (with apologies for
> my singing after 10
> years of too much tabacco:-)
> Appreciate comments from users with dial-up
> connection on the music
> streaming. It is too heavy really but I'm hoping
> I've got it streaming
> without too long a preload)
> cheers,
> jess.
>
> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
>
>
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Re: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence


> DATA DIARIES is 11 hours of video footage which was
> generated by
> tricking Quicktime into thinking the RAM of a home
> computer is video.
> This was done once for each day in January 2003.
> Watch as Cory's emails,
> letters, webpages, DSL data, songs, and anything
> else he worked on that
> day float by >
..but of course that's not what we see at all. There's
no way the viewer can know that what is on the screen
has some connection to Cory's this and that except by
way of the artist statement.
Take the 'concept' away and the poverty of the thing
immediately becomes apparent - if the artist simply
constructed the images we see we might say, OK that's
vaguely interesting and attractive in a kind of
wallpaper way for about 2 seconds but 11 hours
...please!
By far the most interesting thing about the piece is
the neat lo fi handwritten bubbles and the general
presentation of the piece, but then maybe that took a
little bit of craft.
michael

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Re:


You couldn't make it up!
Michael
--- neil jenkins <neil@devoid.co.uk> wrote:
> http://www.devoid.co.uk/guernica
>
> A tapestry reproduction of "Guernica," Pablo
> Picasso's powerful
> anti-war painting, was concealed behind a blue cloth
> and a row of flags
> yesterday at the U.N. Security Council offices as
> White House envoy
> Colin Powell was making the United States' case for
> war.
>
>
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/
>
>
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