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Re: trivial connections/stop the war/new work


Personally I think this is great - we could debate
it's strengths and weaknesses- but for me this just
makes the Cory Arcangel piece look even more
depressing and cynical because at least this attempts
to manipulate the medium to produce some kind of
affective result in the viewer both directly in terms
of the content, the ideas, but also in our
appreciation of the skill with which the medium is
handled.
Michael
--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I been working on a new body of work for this year
> and this is the first.
> The idea sprung up with my [trivial] connections
> between the domestic
> and internet but it was so influenced by the stop
> the war debate and
> everything going on it turned into something quite
> different....
>
> Anyway,
>
>
http://www.rssgallery.com/trivialconnections/woman2.html
> Flash 6 and soundcard & speakers needed. 'womans
> work' covered by
> me with permission by Kate Bush (with apologies for
> my singing after 10
> years of too much tabacco:-)
> Appreciate comments from users with dial-up
> connection on the music
> streaming. It is too heavy really but I'm hoping
> I've got it streaming
> without too long a preload)
> cheers,
> jess.
>
> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
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Re: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence


> DATA DIARIES is 11 hours of video footage which was
> generated by
> tricking Quicktime into thinking the RAM of a home
> computer is video.
> This was done once for each day in January 2003.
> Watch as Cory's emails,
> letters, webpages, DSL data, songs, and anything
> else he worked on that
> day float by >
..but of course that's not what we see at all. There's
no way the viewer can know that what is on the screen
has some connection to Cory's this and that except by
way of the artist statement.
Take the 'concept' away and the poverty of the thing
immediately becomes apparent - if the artist simply
constructed the images we see we might say, OK that's
vaguely interesting and attractive in a kind of
wallpaper way for about 2 seconds but 11 hours
...please!
By far the most interesting thing about the piece is
the neat lo fi handwritten bubbles and the general
presentation of the piece, but then maybe that took a
little bit of craft.
michael

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Re:


You couldn't make it up!
Michael
--- neil jenkins <neil@devoid.co.uk> wrote:
> http://www.devoid.co.uk/guernica
>
> A tapestry reproduction of "Guernica," Pablo
> Picasso's powerful
> anti-war painting, was concealed behind a blue cloth
> and a row of flags
> yesterday at the U.N. Security Council offices as
> White House envoy
> Colin Powell was making the United States' case for
> war.
>
>
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/
>
>
Article_Type1&c=Article&cid35777504261&call_pageid

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Re: Anti War March NYC-February 15th: I'll be there -- will you?


I'll be marching in London ,Lee, with three bus loads
of people from my relatively small town.
As we march we'll be heartened to know of the New York
march and the many others taking place all round the
world that day.
We are many - they are few!
best
Michael

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/

--- Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net> wrote:
> > > Dear MoveOn member,
> > >
> > > As President Bush's drumbeat for war quickens,
> we are increasing the
> > > volume of our demand that the President "win
> without war." Over the
> > > last few months, we've written thousands of
> letters to the editor,
> > > made hundreds of thousands of phone calls, and
> raised millions in
> > > support of the anti-war effort. Now it's time
> to bring our voices to
> > > the streets. Please join millions of people
> around the world in
> > > making February 15th an unprecedented day of
> activity against a war.
> > >
> > > I'll be speaking at the enormous rally in New
> York City on the 15th,
> > > along with a list of speakers that includes
> Nobel Laureate Archbishop
> > > Desmond Tutu, Martin Luther King III, and Patti
> Smith. On the same
> > > day, from London to Helsinki to Bangkok,
> millions of people will join
> > > demonstrations, rallies, and marches. (A San
> Francisco event will
> > > actually occur the following day -- the 16th.)
> The message will be
> > > loud and clear: in the United States and abroad,
> we say no to this war.
> > >
> > > The march and rally in New York City is going to
> be fun, powerful, and
> > > unforgettable. The timing is perfect. If you
> attend only one mass
> > > event, this may be the one. Bring your friends.
> Bring your family.
> > > For transportation options, and to keep informed
> on events going on
> > > around the country, check out:
> > >
> > > http://www.unitedforpeace.org
> > >
> > > The event in New York is scheduled for noon on
> the 15th, but the New
> > > York Police Department is making it difficult
> for the organizers to
> > > get a permit for a march to accompany the rally.
> We're certain it'll
> > > be worked out -- a legal complaint was filed
> this morning in the
> > > Federal District Court in Manhattan and we
> expect that a mutually
> > > acceptable agreement will be reached soon.
> We'll let you know as
> > > soon as we have a final word on the location to
> go to.
> > >
> > > When I speak, I'd like to include a message from
> MoveOn members -- we
> > > are, after all, a grassroots organization. In a
> paragraph, what's the
> > > message that we should send to the folks
> gathered in New York City and
> > > the news media? You can post your suggestion
> and rate other folks'
> > > thoughts at:
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.actionforum.com/forum/index.html?forum_id%2
> > >
> > > Around the world and in New York, we have a
> tremendous opportunity to
> > > show the true breadth and strength of the
> opposition to war. Please
> > > take part in this exciting day of action.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > --Eli Pariser
> > > International Campaigns Director
> > > MoveOn.org
> > > February 5th, 2003
> > >
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Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq..well that is where we started...


Hi Dyske
I do have to say that I find it extraordinary that
someone who rejects the notion of truth should be so
convinced that
"everyone is prejudiced to a degree",
which of course I accept as a truth in the general
formulation which you give, although I certainly would
reject the stronger version you implied earlier that
everyone is to some degree racist.
Racism is not a biological fact or urge but a
construct and not a value free construct but a
specific social, political and historical phenomenon
which arose at the same time as the slave trade.
The point that I have been making piecemeal in reply
to your posts is once again borne out here: that in
the very mails in which you reject "truth" you smuggle
in by the back door assertions which you assume to be
"true" and this finds its most radical form in your
last mail when you reject effectively any possibilty
of doing science, for by your argument applications in
technology can happen not because we "know" something
but actually by the merest of chances and therefore
knowledge of the actual workings of any technology
will remain forever out of our grasp. I hope I've made
it plain that I reject this position entirely -it's
reductio ad absurdam is a position of extreme
solipsism
in which we can know nothing about the world, not even
that our senses are not systematically deceiving us
about *everything*.
Now, gripping as all this is we have moved a long way
from the discussion of the impending war.
I'm sorry that you adopt a position of neutrality
about that - I believe you are mistaken in this - you
strike me as a humane and decent human being and I
certainly don't wish to impute evil motives to you in
this matter ( as I certainly do for example in the
case of Bush and Blair).
I do continue to believe that your argument engenders
the most dangerous passivity and for me
" philosophers have explained the world - the point
however is to change it" , so, fun as it is chatting
to you I think as far as the broader philosophical
canvas is concerned I will have to agree to differ
with you.
On the matter of the impending war I am happy to
continue the discussion on matters of fact, although I
feel this could be hampered to an extent by your
rejection of such an animal!
Michael

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/

--- Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com> wrote:
> > Quantum mechanics offers an explanation of things
> that
> > happen at the sub atomic level -it supplements
> rather
> > than supplanting Newtonian physics.
> > It's introduction in your argument is a red
> herring:
> > nobody has ever suggested that there may be
> > significant quantum effects at work in the
> mechanical
> > operation operation of a plane.
>
> Before I address this issue, I must preface it with
> the fact that I am no
> physicist. I can only argue within my knowledge of
> physics.
>
> Many consider Quantum mechanics to be a paradigm
> shift of sorts from
> Newtonian physics, since the former was invented to
> explain sub-atomic
> phenomena that were not possible with the latter.
> While it may not have
> changed the practical usage of Newtonian physics,
> Quantum mechanics put
> Newtonian physics in a new light. It is true that,
> for all practical
> purposes, things at the sub-atomic level will not
> make any difference to the
> plane staying in the air. In this sense, the
> discovery of Quantum mechanics
> did not make any practical contribution. But when we
> are speaking of "the
> truth" we are not simply speaking of practical
> matters. After all, humans
> were able to boil water before we had any scientific
> explanations for it,
> and the explanations did not do much to the process
> either. Most of us are
> still using fire to boil water. Likewise, one could
> explain the sub-atomic
> phenomena occurring to the plane and to the air
> surrounding it with Quantum
> mechanics without having any practical consequences
> for it. Since there is
> no practical merit in doing such an analysis, most
> physicists would probably
> not bother with it. But this does not mean that the
> Quantum explanations
> cannot be applied to it.
>
> Many natural phenomena were/are unexplainable. Over
> time we came up with new
> explanations, or different explanations for the same
> phenomena. Ultimately
> the most relevant point of this argument is that
> just because we have an
> explanation for something, does not mean that we
> know "the truth".
> Explanations change over time, or there could be
> multiple ways of explaining
> something. Explanations are nothing more than
> interpretations.
>
> > To sum up - we have a theory which matches what we
> see
> > time after time actually happening - this is a
> truth
> > which is independent of opinion or the way it is
> > expressed in language.
>
> Just because we have not found a phenomenon or a
> theory that contradicts a
> particular theory, however long it is uncontested
> for, does not make it
> logically absolute. Scientific theories are
> constantly changing. Just
> because the sun has risen every day for the past
> zillion years, does not
> logically guarantee that it will rise tomorrow.
>
> > However you are in even more of a tangle than a
> > misunderstanding of the relationship between
> Newtonian
> > and Quantum physics, because your reference to
> named
> > theories , whether it be Newtonian Physics,
> Quantum
> > Mechanics or your putative future theory ,
> contains an
> > implicit acceptance that one or the other is
> closer to
> > the truth - which truth of course you want to deny
> > exists.
>
> Why does it contain implicit acceptance? Just
> because we have more
> explanations for things, does not mean that you are
> closer to the truth. How
> can you prove that? What if what you call "the
> truth" is behind you, not in
> front of you? And you have been building a whole
> army of explanations in the
> wrong direction, as it often happens with criminal
> investigations?
>
> > I utterly reject the assertion that "Racism is in
> all
> > of us. It is in you and it is in me"
>
> Prejudice is a matter of degree. Everyone is
> prejudiced to a degree. Can you
> claim that you are absolutely free of prejudices? If
> so, I guess you are an
> exception.
>
> One day when I was visiting my friend at his
> apartment, I was carrying a
> plastic bag full of take out food. At the front
> entrance of his apartment
> building, I pressed his buzzer, but he did not
> respond for a while. An old
> lady came up to the door and looked at me
> suspiciously, and asked, "Which
> apartment are you delivering it to?" Since I am
> Asian (Oriental) and Chinese
> food delivery is popular in the US, it is an
> understandable confusion, but
> if a blonde white girl was carrying the same bag, I
> doubt that she would
> have asked the same question. This is racism, a form
> of prejudice. We
> unconsciously engage in this type of offenses all
> the time. When people
> focus on criticizing other people for being racists,
> they tend to look away
> from their own racism inside.
>
> This is the sort of racism I was speaking of.
>
> -Dyske
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