Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Trivial Connections [excuse the up-its-own-backside intro]


that's fantastic Jess! - visually stunning and a
really rich piece of work. You have a painter's eye (
a compliment, in my book)
michael

--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
> Trivial Connections Jess Loseby
>
http://www.rssgallery.com/trivialconnections/trivialconnections.html
>
>
>
> Trivial connections is a networked installation,
> which maps the comparisons between
> the network in its frustrations, attention to
> triviality and repetition as absurdly
> compatible to the female domestic routine. The
> networks positioning as primarily a
> communication medium is signifed by the babble of
> children, the movement of
> individuals within the bitstreams as playful

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Get your "NO WAR" on


Clearly you'e have to be massively deluded to think
tht by one's art alone a difference can be made.
Artists are not ,however ,somehow magically insulated
from the world outside and I personally find it
heartening that there is so much discussion of that
outside world here - it's not like it excludes
discussion of art.
I don't understand why people think it's so difficult
to take a stand and simultaeneously be an artist -I
don't go to demos , or organizing committees or
whatever & say "I'm an artist" - I go as a human being
.
I absolutely agree that art is not at it's best when
it's simply agitational -that's why although I have
been deeply involved in the anti war movt, I've made
little work directly about it.
One last point over the "No War" page - fine - put up/
don't put up whatever you like -it's not a contest-
but if your conscience tells you this war is wrong
then do *something* about it.
A start would be the marches in NY and London ( and
I'm sure elsewhere) this Saturday.
regards
michael

--- FeeDickson@aol.com wrote:
> Artists can obviously make a response to war, but
> there is little point in
> them ranting about how bad they think it all is.
>
> 'Even worse is to get all introspective, 'oh god, I
> am so impotent in the
> face of all this horribleness'. Yes we are, but so
> what, we always were.
>
> If you believe in art and in your art, you need to
> go on doing what you have
> always done and not become an activist just because
> there is this
> overwhelming media story about.'
>
> Couldn't agree more. If you want to be a
> polittician, go be one. If you want
> to be a protest marcher, go be one. I f you want to
> instigate social changes,
> go and do it. Just don't please delude yourself you
> can change the world
> through your 'art', especially in these days of
> cynicism (the general
> public's cynicism towards art in particular). These
> days are gone, if indeed
> they ever exsisted.
>
> Art is not social work. Art is not even
> particularly socially relevant,
> especially in it's 'highest' forms. The artist's
> role is not to reform the
> world but reflect it, hopefully in new and thought
> provoking ways. To believe
> otherwise is naivete at it's most extreme.
>
> I wrote earlier (poss accidentally didn't post to
> the list en masse) that I
> thought this was an art forum, not an american news
> forum. I am still
> frustrated by the number of irrelevant links posted.
> This does not mean I am
> politically unaware or hiding from the issues - I am
> just not convinced that
> the american media's take on the upcoming conflict
> should be the main topic
> for discussion on a new media arts forum.
>
> Having said that, I would say that I watched 5 hours
> unadulterated uncensored
> solid debate in the British house of commons
> yesterday prior to their vote to
> go to war. I began watching sceptical, I came away
> asured that whatever I
> thought of the decision made personally, those 600+
> elected men and women had
> crosssed political boundaries to wrestle with their
> own consciensces, the
> views of their constituents, and the future
> consequences of their actions
> before voting. They may not have made the decision I
> liked, but I was at
> least reasssured that democracy lived, rhetoric
> still existed in the best
> platonic sense, and that my home country at least
> did not decide their course
> of action arbitrarily, dependent on the views of the
> few above the many.
> Living in France as I do right now, I no longer need
> to hide my head in shame
> as much...I don't think their actions have been
> particularly well thought out
> or debated quite so extensively.
>
> Enough said . Is this list about politics or art?
> they are not, however much
> artists may like to believe it, in any way closely
> affiliated. Use your views
> to feed your art, don't waste my PC time with links
> I can get elsewhere.
>
> Fee
> <A
>
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>

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DISCUSSION

a small new work IV


Fourth in a series of small self portraits.
This has sound.

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michael

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DISCUSSION

Re: War


Eryk
In my experience every act of protest , of resistance
makes a difference.
Furthermore every act of resistance is a living
memorial to the Rachel Corries of this world.
Here in the UK it's clear that protest has made the
prosecution of war harder for the government and hence
made it easier for us to go on resisting.
In Turkey it's abundantly clear that the popular
demonstrations stopped the first attempt to station US
troops there.
People should not forget the experience of Vietnam:
the most powerful nation in the world humbled by a rag
tag peasant army, a protest movement at home and a
revolt in it's own armed forces.
Nothing has essentially changed -it still remains the
case that "we are many -they are few". What we mustn't
do is either lose heart, believe their "we are all
powerful" propaganda or start to feel guilty about the
amount that we are able to do -through guilt lies
paralysis.
So concretely what can people do ?
Find fellow minded war resisters, build activity
against the war, however small ( the first
demonstrations against the Vietnam war were tiny),
link up with other local and national organisations
who are doing the same thing, draw ever widening
circles of people in.
Sounds simple, and in one sense it is, but in
practice it requires thought and perseverence.
Actually this time in terms of the movement we start
from a much *higher* level than ever before: 15th Feb
in particular was a world historic day.
Of course the movement in the real world is messy , is
awkward and is populated by human beings who
consistently fail to conform to our preconceptions but
of course it is precisely the murders of those sorts
of folk we are struggling to prevent.
I was out this morning handing out flyers at our local
college to organise a protest rally the day when ( as
it now looks will happen) war comes.
The response from the 16-19 year olds was brilliant.
Here are some jpegs

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/picket/picket.html

of a picket of our pro war MP that happened here on
Saturday - about 70 people at it's height,
overwhelmingly supported by passers by, a modest event
but one which forms a further link in the chain of
resistance.
If I thought it was not possible to struggle ( and
eventually successfully) for a decent world I would
not want to be alive.
best
Michael

--- Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Rachel Corrie got run over by a bulldozer when she
> stood with a bright
> orange jumper and a bullhorn in front of a
> Palestinian home that was being
> demolished.
>
> That means I have lost my right to sit around and
> complain whilst doing
> nothing. In fact, in light of Rachel Corrie, I have
> to wonder if I actually
> even give a shit about war. Because if I cared, I
> could be in front of a
> Palestinian bulldozer too.
>
> I would love to think I do, and I think a lot of
> other people do too, but I
> for one do nothing except write emails and complain
> about it, and that seems
> to me, a hell of a lot like not caring. This is not
> something I am proud of,
> but it is something I want to understand. If I knew
> what empathy was instead
> of pretending I knew what it was because I know how
> to commiserate, I might
> be better at it, but that is an essential gender
> difference between men and
> women. It's no excuse though, however I can say that
> I don't really know how
> to make myself feel empathy.
>
> Rachel Corries murder to me is as huge as September
> 11th. It is the totally
> comprehensible sequel. An American who has no ties
> to Palestine except for
> her own outrage at Palestinian slaughter goes to a
> non violent protest in an
> area that most people literally kill to get out of,
> and then she is
> deliberately run over by an Israeli Tractor. Our
> "allies" are Nazis, and I
> am sitting outside Auschwitz writing emails about
> how bummed out I am by it,
> pretending that makes a difference- or that any
> action "against war" is
> going to make any difference. Maybe there is
> something beautiful in false
> empowerment, but I don't know what it is anymore, in
> fact, all of it seems
> like pissing on thier graves. I want to know what
> the alternative is to my
> own apathy, the apathy I have when I am not
> pretending I am a compassionate
> person, because a compassionate person does more
> than this. Is it part of my
> own work to just sit aside and look at how I look at
> it until I am blue in
> the face? The desire to rush out and control the
> things I don't like is
> overpowering sometimes. I don't know what the right
> thing to do about it is.
> But I know that it isn't writing about it on a
> mailing list, which seems to
> be the big thing these days.
>
> Iraqi men and women may be huddled together waiting
> for bombs to drop on
> thier heads; or to have all your oxygen sucked out
> by a "daisy" cutter, but
> thier life means so much to me that I- a moderately
> well known internet
> artist- wrote an email about it, so they should be
> grateful. Better yet,
> maybe I will make some art about it. That will
> really elevate thier deaths
> by transformation.
>
> I have this creeping suspicion lately that GW Bush
> actually "knows" that war
> is bad! Also that war is pretty useless, but that he
> is choosing to do it
> anyway, because he can, and because he really
> believes it is better for the
> world that he does it, and that he isn't even really
> thinking about the oil
> so much as what a good place this planet will be
> when Saddam is gone. So I
> don't know if GW Bush is "overhearing" our
> conversations at rhizome, but if
> he is, I think I should try to say something even
> more relevant than how bad
> war is, since like I said, I think he knows, in fact
> he probably knows more
> than all of us know. But you know what, I know
> pretty much a lot of stuff
> about war, and GW does too, and I am not doing
> anything, so I guess I can't
> expect GW to, either.
>
> What I would like to be is to simply become a place
> where war stops. Because
> peace is pretty awesome, sure, people know that,
> too, usually. Peace is cool
> because no one is trying to control anyone and no
> one is super crazy hung up
> on right or wrong or what should be or what
> shouldn't be and what roles
> people are supposed to play in thier own lives. But
> like I said, people know
> peace is cool and they know that clouds are nice to
> look at. But peace is
> awesome because you can do it yourself by creating a
> place where there is no
> war. For me, that is going to be my head. This is
> probably going to be
> pretty hard really, but I have a sneaking suspicion
> that even working on
> that will be a lot more productive than what I have
> been doing, which is
> sending emails to a bunch of people who have no
> power over the course of the
> war, and reading a lot of stuff so that I can be
> well informed about the
> stuff I am doing nothing about. I think between the
> two choices, the
> decision I want to make is pretty obvious.
>
> Cheers,
> -er.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rachel Greene" <rachel@rhizome.org>
> To: "rhizome list" <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: New Art Ideas Update
>
>
> > > since it seems to be a slow day here on Rhizome,
> > >
> > thanks dude. I don't know about anyone else, but I
> am so gutted by the
> news
> > I can't really think straight.
> >
> > We didn't even elect this guy! And his arrogance
> and disregard for public
> > opinion -- it often doesn't seem real.
> >
> > My last white hope is that senators will en masse
> resign causing an
> internal
> > crisis, a la British Minister Cook, but that IS
> completely unlikely.
> >
> > politically depressed, rachel
> >
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re:hypertext work


yes- it's beautiful.
thanks for pointing it out.
michael
--- doron golan <doron@computerfinearts.com> wrote:
> I like the work of michael atavar. it's simple,
> delicate and poetic. check out 'thethingasitis'.
> http://www.atavar.com/thethingasitis/
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