Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Re: dream7 piece


<Well, if by "big hitters" you mean "gets funding"
then perhaps not, I tend
to look at success on a broader scale,>
Oh I absolutely agree! & I'm much more interested in
art that seems to me honest in intention, skilled in
execution and worthy of many repeat experiences,
irrespective of its 'respectability' by any criterion,
peer, academic, cuaratorial.
It's just that my sense of justice feels that the two
groups should be more similar!
best
michael

and that's
> what I meant by "reading
> too much rhizome." I feel the need to start
> acknowledging who the really
> important people are and distinguish them from those
> who simply get funding
> and/or make work that is easy enough to place into
> an exhibition setting
> without putting off shareholders or "the board."
> There are many internet
> artists who exist on a level similar to the Velvet
> Underground or the
> Throwing Muses. They don't sell a lot of records but
> they have an influence
> that reaches far beyond themselves. That's what I
> would define as success,
> and the false perception on many mailing lists and
> the "net.art community"
> is that these artists don't actually matter. Give
> them a few years and watch
> what happens. Everyone getting shows and money now
> are just easing the way
> into the true explosion of new media.
>
> If JODI keeps exhibiting it will be encouraging to
> see that net.art does not
> need to turned into installation art before it can
> be "exhibited."
>
> -e.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>
> To: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk@maine.rr.com>;
> <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: dream7 piece
>
>
> > Hi Eryk
> > < dream7 and fakeshop *are* the "big hitters." :)>
> > is that so? -I obviously don't get out enough,
> real or
> > virtually.
> > What I do find though is that looking at new media
> art
> > that gains funding here in the UK is it tends to
> be
> > "high concept" ( and often about surveillance
> cameras,
> > the internet, search engines, global positioning
> > software blah blah blah) and not at all the kind
> of
> > ,loosely speaking, 'narrative' work that I see and
> > admire in this piece.
> > From my passing acquaintance with museum curated
> net
> > art/new media art in the States this also seems to
> be
> > true over there.
> > Some of the positions taken on Rhizome do reflect
> this
> > tendency it's true, but by no means a majority,
> but
> > again I have to say I see in Rhizome a more
> diverse
> > and open group than you seem to.
> > Keep posting!
> > best
> > michael
> >
> >
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Re: Re: dream7 piece


Hi Liza
that's food for thought and I take some of the points
about net art being viewed as a species of video by
defualt or ignorance.
However much though, we might like this to be true:
<with the web, it is a whole
different story. we have
not just text, video and sound but now tools &
interfaces that allow us
to not just gaze but do and be in this virtual
world.>
I'm not sure that it is yet so.
For me the most exciting thing about the new media is
the sheer efficiency of the net as a means of
communication and delivery and the unification within
it of precisely those texts, videos and sounds of
which you speak. Now I ask - are all their
possibilities played out, has everything been said?
I'm not anti interaction - I just think it's possible
to both fetishise it and overplay it. I know it's a
cliche but it's true nonetheless that great art has
always been interactive, in a much deeper sense than
is currently afforded by a mouse click.
In one sense situating net art within the broader
traditions of artistic practice, bringing down the
barriers, would be no bad thing -
it would force us to compare what we do with the
Beethovens, the Picassos, the Tarkovskys - sobering
but ultimately strengthening.
best
michael
>
> i have a horrendously biased opinion of what is
> netart but, when it
> comes to flash pieces, well ... it's not that the
> graphics or the cuts
> and jumps need to be 'flashy' but, given what is
> possible . . . it is
> kind of a let down. i mean, for pieces dealing with
> text i truly
> believe that flash is the worst possible tool to use
> ----again, because
> you are competing with the greatest "livre a venir".
>
> best,
> / l i z a
>
>
>
>

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Re: Re: dream7 piece


Hi Eryk
< dream7 and fakeshop *are* the "big hitters." :)>
is that so? -I obviously don't get out enough, real or
virtually.
What I do find though is that looking at new media art
that gains funding here in the UK is it tends to be
"high concept" ( and often about surveillance cameras,
the internet, search engines, global positioning
software blah blah blah) and not at all the kind of
,loosely speaking, 'narrative' work that I see and
admire in this piece.
From my passing acquaintance with museum curated net
art/new media art in the States this also seems to be
true over there.
Some of the positions taken on Rhizome do reflect this
tendency it's true, but by no means a majority, but
again I have to say I see in Rhizome a more diverse
and open group than you seem to.
Keep posting!
best
michael

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Re: dream7 piece


Yes it's a nice piece.
I like the way that it feels net idiomatic but without
recourse to having the viewer click for the sake of
it.
There is a kind of genre of
noninteractive-"movies"-for-the-net which don't seem
to have the kudos amongst the big hitters of things
like pieces about surveillance cameras and the like
and which hence feel a bit marginal, but which I find
consistently exciting and interesting and which I
suspect will turn out in the big scheme of things to
have rather more importance than they are accorded
now.
The visuals in themselves are very satisfying
-obviously thought and care went into them.
I do wonder whether the Baudrillard text adds anything
at all though- it feels like a belated nod to
orthodoxy.
best
michael

--- Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com> wrote:
> http://www.dream7.com/bioready/
>
>
> Some good work I haven't seen mentioned here, dream7
> and fakeshop.
>
> -e.
>

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Re: On the profound and meaningful (was A Posteriori art)


Jess:
in my book it was.
best
michael
--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
>
> > The sharpest contribution I read was from Jess who
> can
> > hardly be accused of being at the centre of the
> > international art establishment-
> I'll take that as a compliment - I think !!!
> hee! hee! hee!!
> j.
> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
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