Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Re: dream7 piece


Hi Liza
that's food for thought and I take some of the points
about net art being viewed as a species of video by
defualt or ignorance.
However much though, we might like this to be true:
<with the web, it is a whole
different story. we have
not just text, video and sound but now tools &
interfaces that allow us
to not just gaze but do and be in this virtual
world.>
I'm not sure that it is yet so.
For me the most exciting thing about the new media is
the sheer efficiency of the net as a means of
communication and delivery and the unification within
it of precisely those texts, videos and sounds of
which you speak. Now I ask - are all their
possibilities played out, has everything been said?
I'm not anti interaction - I just think it's possible
to both fetishise it and overplay it. I know it's a
cliche but it's true nonetheless that great art has
always been interactive, in a much deeper sense than
is currently afforded by a mouse click.
In one sense situating net art within the broader
traditions of artistic practice, bringing down the
barriers, would be no bad thing -
it would force us to compare what we do with the
Beethovens, the Picassos, the Tarkovskys - sobering
but ultimately strengthening.
best
michael
>
> i have a horrendously biased opinion of what is
> netart but, when it
> comes to flash pieces, well ... it's not that the
> graphics or the cuts
> and jumps need to be 'flashy' but, given what is
> possible . . . it is
> kind of a let down. i mean, for pieces dealing with
> text i truly
> believe that flash is the worst possible tool to use
> ----again, because
> you are competing with the greatest "livre a venir".
>
> best,
> / l i z a
>
>
>
>

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Re: Re: dream7 piece


Hi Eryk
< dream7 and fakeshop *are* the "big hitters." :)>
is that so? -I obviously don't get out enough, real or
virtually.
What I do find though is that looking at new media art
that gains funding here in the UK is it tends to be
"high concept" ( and often about surveillance cameras,
the internet, search engines, global positioning
software blah blah blah) and not at all the kind of
,loosely speaking, 'narrative' work that I see and
admire in this piece.
From my passing acquaintance with museum curated net
art/new media art in the States this also seems to be
true over there.
Some of the positions taken on Rhizome do reflect this
tendency it's true, but by no means a majority, but
again I have to say I see in Rhizome a more diverse
and open group than you seem to.
Keep posting!
best
michael

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Re: dream7 piece


Yes it's a nice piece.
I like the way that it feels net idiomatic but without
recourse to having the viewer click for the sake of
it.
There is a kind of genre of
noninteractive-"movies"-for-the-net which don't seem
to have the kudos amongst the big hitters of things
like pieces about surveillance cameras and the like
and which hence feel a bit marginal, but which I find
consistently exciting and interesting and which I
suspect will turn out in the big scheme of things to
have rather more importance than they are accorded
now.
The visuals in themselves are very satisfying
-obviously thought and care went into them.
I do wonder whether the Baudrillard text adds anything
at all though- it feels like a belated nod to
orthodoxy.
best
michael

--- Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com> wrote:
> http://www.dream7.com/bioready/
>
>
> Some good work I haven't seen mentioned here, dream7
> and fakeshop.
>
> -e.
>

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Re: On the profound and meaningful (was A Posteriori art)


Jess:
in my book it was.
best
michael
--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
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> > The sharpest contribution I read was from Jess who
> can
> > hardly be accused of being at the centre of the
> > international art establishment-
> I'll take that as a compliment - I think !!!
> hee! hee! hee!!
> j.
> o
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Re: On the profound and meaningful (was A Posteriori art)


Whoops -meant to post the following to the list, but
half asleep & sent it only to the individuals
concerned.

Hi Eryk
I haven't read every post in this thread -so I missed
Dyske getting called a fascist -clearly as ridiculous
as Valery Grancher's similar attack on you last year.
But have we been reading the same things here? -I saw
a whole number of fairly nuanced posts in which I
found something to agree in most of them - & I think
this is because people were posting quite thoughtful ,
provisional stuff.
I thought T.Whid's contributions in particular were
thought provoking and ,you know, personally I *do*
quite often change my opinions as a result of the
arguments of others.
The sharpest contribution I read was from Jess who can
hardly be accused of being at the centre of the
international art establishment- and her point I think
was polemical but fair
I'd be very sorry if you decided to limit your
contributions merely to announcements &c - naturally I
don't agree with every one ( or perhaps nowadays even
a majority) of your positions but I never find what
you have to say less than interesting.
I urge you -reread all the posts - was the overall
tone and content really that negative?
best
michael

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