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It just struck me why the pieces feel fugal or
contrapuntal -it's because as you read them I think
you imagine not one but *many* voices.
Once again I'm at a loss to explain *why* this should
be so - but for me its very marked & very effective.
Are these pieces program generated? -I'm assuming yes
-is there writerly intervention on top of this?
In my opinion the best of these kind of pieces are
created by a kind of human/machine partnership where
the raw material is worked over by a program but then
the human reshapes that material in turn.
I believe Lewis LaCook works like that ( I hope that's
a correct summary Lewis).
I can't help feeling there's a very deep connection
here between much of this kind of work and the
surrealists -often the results have much in common and
there's a kind of analogy between generative methods
and automatic writing, except that automatic writing
came from *within* the subconscious and here the
machine generated material *addresses* the
subconscious.
It raises a lot of very interesting questions about
how human beings receive art and how they "interact"
with it to create meaning.
Anyway , great work , I love it.
michael

--- Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
> these are all very musical in feel.
> It reminds me not only of folk forms but of fugue
> too.
> I like the increasing complexity too of the later
> #s.
> michael

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Re: Re: Re: dream7 piece


Hi Lewis
< i hate to disagree here,>
Why!? Disagreement, preferably friendly disagreement,
is the life blood of something like this list.
As to the dream7 piece -I like it -I don't use flash
so I'm very outside of the technical discussion,
but anyway sometimes, often, technical skill is not
the key question, just part of the equation. In the
case of individual works like this I guess it does
come down to taste but I tried to list some of the
stuff that made me warm to it.
As for interactivity -I'm neither "for" nor "against"
it per se.
What I am against is an orthodoxy that is nothing to
do with the concrete discussion of the merits of a
particular work but which measures things against a
particular technical or conceptual yardstick,
especially when this orthodoxy is the one that is used
to measure funding for new work.
(as clearly *does* happen in the official art bodies
here in the UK; I'm happy to be be instructed on the
situation in the US ) If "noninteractive " ,
"nonconceptual " or anything else felt like the
orthodoxy I'd be inclined to have a tilt at *that*.
I think the questions you raise about what is net
idiomatic are good ones. its just that I find the
answers "network" and "interactive" a bit glib as
answers.
I agree that this engendered a good discussion and I
think it's interesting that the best ones recently
have been spawned by posts on particular works.
I would encourage people to post their reasoned
reactions to particular pieces. It seems to me that
its in the detailed, concrete examination of specific
works that masses of very pertinent general issues
arise in a natural way.
best
michael

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Re: NOMINAL QUIESCENT CURRENT #0004 & #0005


these are all very musical in feel.
It reminds me not only of folk forms but of fugue too.
I like the increasing complexity too of the later #s.
michael

--- August Highland <hmfah4@hotmail.com> wrote:
> NOMINAL QUIESCENT CURRENT #0004 & #0005
>
> He kissed me so
> He kissed me so
> cupped them in her
> cupped them in her
> cupped them in her
> attraction,
> attraction,
> He kissed me so
>
> A long, oak table
> A long, oak table
> and to my and to my and to my night, and could
> night, and could
> A long, oak table
>
> would you like
> would you like
> you have the
> you have the
> you have the
> are cold in are cold in would you like
>
> woman with a stupid woman with a stupid lie dead
> upon it,
> lie dead upon it,
> lie dead upon it,
>
> woman with a stupid
> the wetness.
> the wetness.
> home Bourbon was
> home Bourbon was
> home Bourbon was
> a prominent stomach, a prominent stomach, the
> wetness.
>
> venture, my lady,
> venture, my lady,
> provided provided provided
> venture, my lady,
>
> consigning himself
> consigning himself
>
> Latour with his
> Latour with his
> consigning himself
>
>
> 'Hatred is foreign
> 'Hatred is foreign
> 'Hatred is foreign
> Young enough?
> Young enough?
>
> =================
>
> NOMINAL QUIESCENT CURRENT #0005
>
>
> the structure the structure their bodies. The
> their bodies. The
> their bodies. The
> direction in which
> direction in which
> the structure
> furniture by making
> furniture by making
> bombardment groups
> bombardment groups
> bombardment groups
>
> furniture by making
>
> Lona, his rigid
> Lona, his rigid
>
> member of these
> member of these
> Lona, his rigid
>
> pointing to one pointing to one x-flash x-flash
> x-flash which young
> which young pointing to one
> want to see them?"
> want to see them?"
> longer be a party
> longer be a party
> longer be a party
> were were want to see them?"
>
> promised to do so.
> promised to do so.
> ventured to wave
> ventured to wave
> ventured to wave
> in conclusion, "is
> in conclusion, "is
> promised to do so.
>
> of Defense. I will
> of Defense. I will
>
> things. One must
> things. One must
> of Defense. I will
>
>
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Re: Re: Re: Re: dream7 piece


<and I'm known to
quote Steely Dan in serious conversation.>
Nothing at all amiss there.
I've been listening to 'Two Against Nature' again
continually this week - its the only
getting-togther-after-twenty-five -years album I've
ever heard that isn't plain depressing.
'Almost Gothic' reduces me to near tears every time -
both deeply moving and technically unbelievable.
best
michael

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Re: Re: dream7 piece


<Well, if by "big hitters" you mean "gets funding"
then perhaps not, I tend
to look at success on a broader scale,>
Oh I absolutely agree! & I'm much more interested in
art that seems to me honest in intention, skilled in
execution and worthy of many repeat experiences,
irrespective of its 'respectability' by any criterion,
peer, academic, cuaratorial.
It's just that my sense of justice feels that the two
groups should be more similar!
best
michael

and that's
> what I meant by "reading
> too much rhizome." I feel the need to start
> acknowledging who the really
> important people are and distinguish them from those
> who simply get funding
> and/or make work that is easy enough to place into
> an exhibition setting
> without putting off shareholders or "the board."
> There are many internet
> artists who exist on a level similar to the Velvet
> Underground or the
> Throwing Muses. They don't sell a lot of records but
> they have an influence
> that reaches far beyond themselves. That's what I
> would define as success,
> and the false perception on many mailing lists and
> the "net.art community"
> is that these artists don't actually matter. Give
> them a few years and watch
> what happens. Everyone getting shows and money now
> are just easing the way
> into the true explosion of new media.
>
> If JODI keeps exhibiting it will be encouraging to
> see that net.art does not
> need to turned into installation art before it can
> be "exhibited."
>
> -e.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>
> To: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk@maine.rr.com>;
> <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: dream7 piece
>
>
> > Hi Eryk
> > < dream7 and fakeshop *are* the "big hitters." :)>
> > is that so? -I obviously don't get out enough,
> real or
> > virtually.
> > What I do find though is that looking at new media
> art
> > that gains funding here in the UK is it tends to
> be
> > "high concept" ( and often about surveillance
> cameras,
> > the internet, search engines, global positioning
> > software blah blah blah) and not at all the kind
> of
> > ,loosely speaking, 'narrative' work that I see and
> > admire in this piece.
> > From my passing acquaintance with museum curated
> net
> > art/new media art in the States this also seems to
> be
> > true over there.
> > Some of the positions taken on Rhizome do reflect
> this
> > tendency it's true, but by no means a majority,
> but
> > again I have to say I see in Rhizome a more
> diverse
> > and open group than you seem to.
> > Keep posting!
> > best
> > michael
> >
> >
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