Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Re: the onion is funny


Whilst I absolutely agree with the general thrust
nevertheless the Daily Telegraph as a source of
comment about the arts ( or anything for that matter)
should be treated with caution.
It's the paper of the huntin',shootin' and fishin'
classes, the ones who still haven't grasped the fact
that Empire is over and who probably find Van Gogh a
little avant garde.
best
michael
--- curt cloninger <curt@lab404.com> wrote:
> the turner prize is even funnier:
>
>
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/29/uturner.xml
>
> _
> _
>
>
> t.whid wrote:
>
> > Magical Gallery Transforms Dull Objects Into Art
> > NEW YORK-A magical New York art gallery has the
> power to turn dull,
> > everyday items into brilliant works of art,
> sources reported Monday.
> > "Seth Clayton's devastating Untitled No. 7
> captures the despair of
> > urban ennui in a way that's post-ironic yet
> somehow pre-pomo," said
> > David E. Sherry, owner of the David E. Sherry
> Gallery, while admiring
> > a rusty bucket and tattered boot lying on the
> gallery floor. "Its
> > eloquence is truly heartbreaking."
> >
> > ++
> >
> > hahahahaha
> > --
> > <twhid>
> > http://www.mteww.com
> > </twhid>
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DISCUSSION

"Renga" - a collaborative piece by Brandon Barr, Curt Cloninger, Marc Garrett, Lewis Lacook, Jess Loseby, Joseph McElroy, Ivan Mejia, Ivan Pope, Mark


Based on the ancient Japanese verse form of the same
name which translates as "linked verse",
"Renga" involved 11 artists, 5 British, 5 US and one
from Mexico, taking turns to continue
a piece of work over a 2 month period.
Artists were encouraged simply to respond honestly to
the work so far and no requirement
of stylistic unity was placed upon them.
All contributions had to include a forward link and
the pieces are now linked in a circle.
It is possible to start anywhere in the sequence.

Michael Szpakowski
http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/renga.html
Lewis Lacook
http://www.lewislacook.com/renga.html
Joseph McElroy
http://www.electrichands.com/renga/
Kate Southworth
http://www.gloriousninth.com/renga.html
Ivan Mejia
http://www.tenedorparapescado.com/renga.html
Curt Cloninger
http://www.playdamage.org/renga/
Mark River
http://www.tinjail.com/renga.html
Brandon Barr
http://www.texturl.net/renga/
Jess Loseby
http://www.rssgallery.com/renga.swf
Marc Garrett
http://www.furtherfield.org/renga/
Ivan Pope
http://www.ivanpope.com/renga/

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DISCUSSION

Re: textual tango [new work]


Nice piece, Jess.
it has wit and humour too; and of course rules are
there to be broken.
best
michael

--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
> I've been a good girl this year so I thought I'd
> break a few rules for
> some fun - mainly eryk's & copyright:-)
>
> Anyway, online dating texts, sampled video & el
> tango de roxanne in a
> textual tango.
> [flash6 - soundcard & speakers - a little clunky on
> a dial-up but ok]
>
> http://www.rssgallery.com/textualtango.htm
>
> jess
>
>
>
>
> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
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DISCUSSION

more on NOMINAL QUIESCENT CURRENTs


It just struck me why the pieces feel fugal or
contrapuntal -it's because as you read them I think
you imagine not one but *many* voices.
Once again I'm at a loss to explain *why* this should
be so - but for me its very marked & very effective.
Are these pieces program generated? -I'm assuming yes
-is there writerly intervention on top of this?
In my opinion the best of these kind of pieces are
created by a kind of human/machine partnership where
the raw material is worked over by a program but then
the human reshapes that material in turn.
I believe Lewis LaCook works like that ( I hope that's
a correct summary Lewis).
I can't help feeling there's a very deep connection
here between much of this kind of work and the
surrealists -often the results have much in common and
there's a kind of analogy between generative methods
and automatic writing, except that automatic writing
came from *within* the subconscious and here the
machine generated material *addresses* the
subconscious.
It raises a lot of very interesting questions about
how human beings receive art and how they "interact"
with it to create meaning.
Anyway , great work , I love it.
michael

--- Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
> these are all very musical in feel.
> It reminds me not only of folk forms but of fugue
> too.
> I like the increasing complexity too of the later
> #s.
> michael

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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: dream7 piece


Hi Lewis
< i hate to disagree here,>
Why!? Disagreement, preferably friendly disagreement,
is the life blood of something like this list.
As to the dream7 piece -I like it -I don't use flash
so I'm very outside of the technical discussion,
but anyway sometimes, often, technical skill is not
the key question, just part of the equation. In the
case of individual works like this I guess it does
come down to taste but I tried to list some of the
stuff that made me warm to it.
As for interactivity -I'm neither "for" nor "against"
it per se.
What I am against is an orthodoxy that is nothing to
do with the concrete discussion of the merits of a
particular work but which measures things against a
particular technical or conceptual yardstick,
especially when this orthodoxy is the one that is used
to measure funding for new work.
(as clearly *does* happen in the official art bodies
here in the UK; I'm happy to be be instructed on the
situation in the US ) If "noninteractive " ,
"nonconceptual " or anything else felt like the
orthodoxy I'd be inclined to have a tilt at *that*.
I think the questions you raise about what is net
idiomatic are good ones. its just that I find the
answers "network" and "interactive" a bit glib as
answers.
I agree that this engendered a good discussion and I
think it's interesting that the best ones recently
have been spawned by posts on particular works.
I would encourage people to post their reasoned
reactions to particular pieces. It seems to me that
its in the detailed, concrete examination of specific
works that masses of very pertinent general issues
arise in a natural way.
best
michael

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