marc garrett
Since the beginning
Works in London United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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BIO
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80's from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular 'Savage Yet Tender' alternative broadcasting 1980's group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) for a while with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS, dedicated to arts, technology and hacking.

Co-director and co-founder, with artist Ruth Catlow of the net arts collectives and communities- furtherfield.org, furthernoise.org, netbehaviour.org, also cofounder and co-curator/director of the gallery space called HTTP Gallery in London, UK. Currently involved in co-running, collaborating with many others on Node.London. Also co-curating various contemporary Media Arts exhibitions, nationally and Internationally such as Game/play a touring exhibiton.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Cupcakes, signal, noise


Hello Patrick,

Isn't it much more to do with people's different needs and aspirations and
what they can get out of the rhizome list? Ok, the flavor may not be in
keeping with your taste, but does that make it a bad or a sub-standard
thing?

Your personal needs and professional interests have obviously changed in
time and your intentions are not the same as they were when you first joined
rhizome. Your career has changed and its demands ask for functions that may
dictate what you want from this list. I've seen many of your projects and
ideas and think that they are sincere, well thought out and pretty
stimulating in their conception and do consciously involve (without pseudo
cynicism) human interaction in a generous manner. I am happy to applaud your
work openly on this list because I do not feel that sharing such intimate
and human observations are wrong on here, although it does seem this type of
communication does not fit into your remit or need of intellectual stimuli.
Your choice, but may be other people on this list want to share the
interaction itself, isn't there value in that?

Colonization from NN has not been such an issue for a long time now. NN,
Integer is currently on the Syndicate list these days promoting their
program and the use of, where ever it takes them. What you have termed as
'noise' is a reflection of life and life most of the time is a very noisy
experience, not just an intellectual exchange. I agree with you if you are
asking for discussions to be more open and frequent in relation to exploring
ideas/projects. Yet that does happen, although not in the way that you
prefer may be. You obviously have a personal criteria that you feel is not
being fulfilled by this list and its users any more.

Bringing myself into the frame here - I would like to know who you consider
to be 'our more cranky colleagues'? And have I been placed into that scary
category? I would certainly feel offended, even disturbed if you thought I
deserved such a stigmatizing label. Especially when I have been very
respectful to you, and to all the people on the list, taking account
(whenever possible) of their reasoning's, in a mutual way. I feel that my
own intentions have been very clear, in all of my posts. Would you rather
that someone like myself did not post links to various interesting sites?
Not post (short) essays that I have written for people to view? Poems, prose
& textural wanderings? Not have me comment on other people's ideas and
issues such as the one you have just sent? Do you think that I have
contributed positively, or have I in your eyes merely been part of the
gradual and ignorant-led, dumbing down of this list?

I still believe in the idea of a community. I live in one, which is a
flourishing mix of many cultures in London UK, and using approximately 93
different languages. I personally value all of it, and yes I desire
intellectual challenge from within that community but have come to terms
with searching for it intuitively rather than expecting it. And yes, to be
honest I have found it not where I first expected it. Not in colleges &
institutions, but in the community amongst friends of whom are willing to be
open and share their feelings and perceptions without worry of ridicule if
they say something silly by mistake.

Luckily I have met plenty of people from various walks of life whom have
generously taught me new things just by them being themselves. Not
pretending or posturing or telling in the name of art-power. Sometimes
intellectually challenging but always happy to have a joke, not taking (our)
themselves too seriously, offering alternative perceptions that have and do
inform my views on life and many cultural and intellectual issues. This list
is a bit like that, I might not necessarily agree with all its content but I
certainly would not want it to be censored. Although it seems that Rachel
could possibly fulfill your wish, and Ivan's so it seems. I'm open to being
contradicted, unlike some people I do not think that I am right all of the
time, just some of the time. And of course life offers more frills than that
kind of transient hollow need.

I do not view you as an elitist pig, your projects say different. Yet I do
question your perception on what intelligence actually is. The sub context
declares an interpretation that seems narrow in its definition. I believe
that intelligence is a varied and wonderful thing. It can be a fluid and
playful occurrence, arriving in many different packages that might not be
immediately obvious. The list gives us the opportunity to not all talk the
same language. Therefore, if we are at all interested that is, it also gives
us the option of questioning our own assumptions via the process of list
interaction.

So I suppose my main question is; do you feel that people should abide via a
general protocol? I feel if that happens all the joy and spontaneous havoc
will be lost, which might precisely be what you are arguing for. It'll die
if an imposing official type of communication 'format' was put in place. The
appliance of knowledge does not necessarily need to be from a place of
art-based education-speak, taught by institutions. One of the attractions
for me about this list is that there are people who are not afraid of
defending/arguing about certain ideas that do not fit in to already accepted
structures. I also do not believe that the list has gone wrong, in fact it
has flourished because of the freedoms it presently enjoys. And no, that
freedom is not abused as much as some people would like to promote. Yes, it
gets lively on here sometimes, but what's wrong with having a heated
discussion? It happens elsewhere, why not on here?

A rich tapestry of learning that is not just art criticism. I think that
your criticism of certain individuals is not fair and cuts out what they
have offered me and others, it seems designed to belittle them, make them
seem small. I will not censor your opinion and I hope that you are not
trying to censor mine. If you do not think that I am being intellectually
stimulating enough for you - try me. Academia is child's play in comparison
to real learned, emotionally informed thought.

Having said all this, I do not wish to start a silly banter with you Patrick
because I value your contribution, and I have said this many times. And yes
I respect Joeseph, Curt and Max, let them shine in their own way, not yours.

marc garrett

> Ivan,
> What's going on is the crank du jour vis-a-vis rhizome raw. For years, we
> have our various 'fringes' that intentionally inject noise into the system
> for purposes of intellectual colonization (NN, Max, Josh, Joseph) and
> control of the conversation. Pretty simple tactic, and very effective.
>
> Of course, there are different interpretations of 1st Amendment rights on
> private listservs, from the more intellectually - centered form of
dicussion
> to the more vitriolic Springer-esque mode of discussion offered (in
degrees,
> Max's sin with me is sheer volume and occasional steel chair yelling
> matches) by our more cranky colleagues.
>
> I've given up on letting it get under my skin, or fighting it. That's why
> Rare is around, or will be again. Eventually in a few months, Joseph will
> tire or get a clue of the relative unimportance of this list in the larger
> scheme of things as he has stated, and realize (unless he's a total
> net.geek.crank) that to put such energy into a listserv for the purpose to
> see his name on a mailing is pretty onanistic.
>
> I've been here for 5-6 years, more or less. It's a good source for
> information, but the level of discussion has definitely gone down on the
> whole over the years, and those who are new to this either do not see this
> as important, do not understand this idea as they have not been here, or
> have other agendas that they wish to inscribe upon the Rhizome community.
>
> Therefore, your only real defense is to exercise some intellectual judo
and
> just not give them a foothold unless you want to do so. Subscribe to Rare
> when it comes if you don't like the intellectual equivalent of Springer.
>
> For the moment, McElroy is our resident Transsexual Nazi Eskimo who's
> cheating on her husband with a 57 Plymouth, although he has some
interesting
> ideas on occasion.
>
> Sorry if I sound condescending, which isn't the case. That involves
> personal feelings about the subject, which have been driven out of me long
> ago. More like jaded and wistful for good conversation. "Whose
> standards?", yes, I've heard that, too. And of course, I'm going to get
> pilloried as a know-it-all elitist pig, which happens each time I bring
this
> up, which is no big deal.
>
> What the ideologue does with the first amendment is analogous to what
> Jurassic Park did with genetics, or what industrialists do with
> deregulation.
>
>
> > > Personally, I can't wait till Rachel gets in gear and Rare returns and
> we
> > > can all have some decent moderated discussion.
>
> > You really are a scared little man aren't you? Are any of your posts
> about > anything besides censoring what someone else said?
>
>
>
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DISCUSSION

Re: Cupcakes, signal, noise


Hi Joseph,

I think that Springer is empty & you are not part of that ilk, do not accept
that label - although if you are a transexual, furtherfield is willing to
promote your gender's agenda... via its transgressive section. Of course
others are welcome to submit if they are interested.

http://www.furtherfield.org/transgressions.html

marc

>
> Quoting "t.whid" <twhid@mteww.com>:
>
> >
> > anyway, pat helped invent the keywords, he should be able to use 'em.
> >
> >
>
> There is a new bill in congress, one year term limits on keywords. Its
part of
> the soft money finance reform package.
>
> It seems everybody is tired of the same old, same old. Want new
representatives
> in everything. It's the Springer crowd, you know those Eskimos and
> Transexuals. Want a more populist movement.
>
> Anybody else tired of subversives? I keep waiting for them to actually
subvert
> something. Now those priests, they were real subversives.
>
> --
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
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>
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DISCUSSION

Re: Cupcakes, signal, noise


shucks!

Come round & play in my igloo anytime...

marc

> Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:
>
> > Hi Joseph,
> >
> > I think that Springer is empty & you are not part of that ilk, do not
> > accept
> > that label - although if you are a transexual, furtherfield is willing
to
> > promote your gender's agenda... via its transgressive section. Of course
> > others are welcome to submit if they are interested.
> >
> >
> > http://www.furtherfield.org/transgressions.html
>
>
> I didn't think Eskimos were part of that crowd, but Patrick Lichty sure
lumped
> them togethor. So I will stand with the Eskimos.
>
> Or be proud to stand on any line you are standing on.
>
> --
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Take the survey they are all talking about...
> http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
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> 212.255.4527
> www.electrichands.com
> joseph@electrichands.com
>
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DISCUSSION

When we all laugh


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When we all laugh do we really cry?

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DISCUSSION

Re: The Richest Scum in America


Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Richest Scum in AmericaThanx Julie,

I've had a few e-mails when someone as a protest sends them back to me, eve=
n though it is sent to the raw list. They seem to prefer that I did not pos=
t these bits of information, it worries me a bit that this person would rat=
her I didn't do such a thing. I don't trust them for they do not actually w=
ant to openly declare their issues with them. I'd happily discuss it in pub=
lic or privately but it seems that they are not interested in communication=
- especially the type of stuff that is revealing how backward the system i=
s that they so 'dummy suckingly', wish to preserve. They must be a Conserva=
tive - I'm a conservative also. I like to conserve humanity not pain via wa=
rs and crooked governments, they are trying to scare me or piss me off so t=
hat I do not do so this kind of information sharing again.

Again, its good to get positive feedback...

marc

i am appreciating these links very much!....esp. the garden of gethsemane=
!!!!! most excellent, thank you. J>

...The Richest Scum in America
by Maria Tomchick...