marc garrett
Since the beginning
Works in London United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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BIO
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80's from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular 'Savage Yet Tender' alternative broadcasting 1980's group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) for a while with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS, dedicated to arts, technology and hacking.

Co-director and co-founder, with artist Ruth Catlow of the net arts collectives and communities- furtherfield.org, furthernoise.org, netbehaviour.org, also cofounder and co-curator/director of the gallery space called HTTP Gallery in London, UK. Currently involved in co-running, collaborating with many others on Node.London. Also co-curating various contemporary Media Arts exhibitions, nationally and Internationally such as Game/play a touring exhibiton.
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DISCUSSION

Re: backward engineering


Hi there Andres,

What do we as a comunity have to say about it, or do we just let the forces=
that be flow even if it means endangering my liberties.

Are you asking yourself and us, as a net community or in relation to your o=
wn physical community and locality?

In respect of your own community I believe that there are various ways of d=
eclaring the critical issues when resources are being stolen by corporate c=
ompanies. Forming links with other groups who feel similar is a start, thus=
furthering the information of the exploitation that is currently and has h=
istorically been happening to your own culture. Also, if you so happen to b=
e an artist, then start mobalizing your projects around your questions, thu=
s placing those important questions in your work so others are aware of the=
problems. Also form new D.I.Y networks, radio stations that link with comm=
unities outside, onto the Internet etc, reclaim the land the property and =
give it back to its rightful owners, the people in the community. Sounds ea=
sy I'm sure, and in real life a very different story. The zapatistas http:/=
/www.eco.utexas.edu/faculty/Cleaver/zapsincyber.html
have been doing that exact thing and getting people all over the world inte=
rested in their actions in forging ways in reclaiming their own lands again=
. Forging links and asking advice from such organizations wil no doubt help=
in some way, but as we all know positive change is always slow and negativ=
e change happens too quickly.

(The international circulation through the Net of the struggles of the Zapa=
tistas in Chiapas, Mexico has become one of the most successful examples of=
the use of computer communications by grassroots social movements. That ci=
rculation has not only brought support to the Zapatistas from throughout Me=
xico and the rest of the World, but it has sparked a world wide discussion =
of the meaning and implications of the Zapatista rebellion for many other c=
onfrontations with contemporary capitalist economic and political policies.=

The indigenous character of the Zapatista rebellion has also provoked new a=
wareness, respect and study of the much broader phenomenon of indigenous re=
vival and struggle in this period.)

marc

>
> >
> > > >Governments and the many idiotic (mostly) males that have cruelly
> > > >abused their power disappoint me greatly - I do not trust them at
> > > >all.
> > >
> > > haha. An understatement on all counts!
> >
> > Are you agreeing with me on that one Judson?
> >
>
> > yup. Agreeing with your thesis but also agreeing enthusiastically with=
your self-evaluation.
> >
>
> Thanks for joining the discusion, but just to harness the forces unleashe=
d by the original question I posted
>
> Yes, we are talking in substancece about the ruling paradigm but lest not=
forget the parallel I was stablishing between the rules for software and t=
he ones that are being stablished for DNA engineering.
>
> I think theres in interesting and important discussion on that level, fro=
m the artisitic, legal, ethic, economical stand points.
>
> I live in Colombia and both sides of the parallel are important here, as =
an artist and as a grass roots activist in the electronic arena I have a qu=
estion about the access to these technologies in countries such as mine.
>
> As a person who is in touch with the knowledge of the ancient aboriginal =
wise men, who have been exploited for their knowledge by the great farmaceu=
tical companies and whose DNA has been harvested with no clear ends by the =
so called genome project.
>
> What do we as a comunity have to say about it, or do we just let the forc=
es that be flow even if it means endangering my liberties.
>
> Andres
>
>
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DISCUSSION

Re: backward engineering


hi there,

do you have any examples that the list can see in reference to your own work
and activities?

marc

> thanks marc
> >
> >What do we as a comunity have to say about it, or do we just let the
forces that be flow even if it means endangering my liberties.
> >
> >Are you asking yourself and us, as a net community or in relation to your
own physical community and locality?
> >
> yes the question is for us all, I do not think we can call ourselfs
civilized, globalthinkers or translocal or what ever adjective we find to
convey that we sense the globe, earth as one big space ship in which we all
travel as long as we keep thinking of it as little segments.
>
> In respect to my own comunity, I'm a mestizo inside with the looks of a
mediterranean european, but I seek in the fountains of knowledge of
aboriginal wisdom.
>
> I can tell you that a few years a go a Entrepeneur from USA tried to
patent the ayahuasca vine which is part of the science inherited by the
aborignal people of the Amazonic bassin, and they fought back, but this is
just one case.
>
> I think artist should arise concience on the general public and I like to
think that my work walks in that path.
>
> And that is ultimately the reason why I posted the question in this
particular rhizome
>
> Andres
>
>
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Boycotting America


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DISCUSSION

Re: backward engineering


Hi Judson,

I believe there are a few cross purposes concurring here, but will try to l=
eaf out some answers in relation to your answers to me anyway.

Like what T.Whid says apache's being used regularly, at least over here in =
the UK and in Eastern Europe, in business and especially in D.I.Y collectiv=
es such as the cubecinema (che/1.3.12 Server at sparror.cubecinema.com) in =
Bristol and many other small independent Groups. And it is free, copied man=
ically and info on 'Redhat' & 'Suse' are updated all the time.

> Happiness to Marc and Andres,
>
> >Your worries about bad companies, governments exploiting DNA as an
> >open source code, I believe is a very valid question.
>
> Open source is a hoax. It's free stuff (generally incomplete) to
> obtain for folks who can write off their IP service or it comes free
> with their job. It's not actually free for MOST people. The charge
> is just deceptively in a place that gets little attention. The code
> is useless unless you happen to have interest and time and know what
> to do with all these files and then have the software/hardware to
> re-assemble it. Most of us do not fit one or more of those
> categories.

I agree that some Open source networks/sites are a hoax but not all of them.

> Linux is great. Generally, the folks who can use it, will actually
> read the gobbilty-gook and figure it out. But most folks have other
> stuff to do and no professional impetus to look at it. Somebody has
> posted (often illegally, but who cares) the source for just about
> every commercial software, including most Microsoft stuff. But
> nobody's buying the compiled code! who cares if it's "free"! they
> buy the thing that comes in a box, that they can install and work
> with less trouble.

And yes, I agree again, it does take a bit of time to figuire it all out.

> open source is a misnomer. it is only open to high level programmers.

> so fighting the big companies/governments who exploit it is like
> voting democrat instead of republican. lesser of two evils but still
> has no effect on the ultimate problems. In fact, one could easily
> see (and i'm sure some do) the 'crats were invented by the 'pubs, to
> provide the illusion that we are making a choice. Open source LOOKS
> like a friendly ideal but what's the real end result?
>
> >Governments and the many idiotic (mostly) males that have cruelly
> >abused their power disappoint me greatly - I do not trust them at
> >all.
>
> haha. An understatement on all counts!

Are you agreeing with me on that one Judson?

> >>When you buy software theres all this licence thing where they
> >>stablish that you can't do any backwards engineering, well here is
> >>where this doubt in my mind appears. When you compare this
> >>prohibition and you think of DNA as an open source code to which
> >>they want to do exactly that (backwards engineering), who protects
> >>natures copyright, who collects the royalties for nature.
>
> and how do we know we didn't just tear open nature's envelope and not
> notice/recognize the DNA licencing agreement? We are probably
> bumbling into illegal territory constantly, completely oblivious to
> the "no trespassing" signs. And those same people who are backwards
> engineering willy nilly will be the first to whine when we get "sued"
> by some higher court.

true...

Marc

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