Jeremy Zilar
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Re: Re: web evolution


ryan griffis wrote:
> it's important to ask how the "evolution" of the web is
> impacting "society" any differently than all the other paradigm shifting
> communication technologies.

Once you start looking for the ways it impacts society you then start to
create the possible need develop software with an adgenda . these types
of questions bring up the debate as to whether the software gets
developed based the users needs, or the programmers needs. I think it is
important to ask questions, but maybe the question is how can we develop
software that facilitates creative growth and adaptability of the user?
or software that allows the user to create their own adgenda? How can we
create software that expands the dialogue between the user and the
developer, between the child and the adult?
-jeremy

this is not to take away from the
> innovations taking place, but i'm wary (still) of the broad,
> humanity-shifting language used to discuss computing - in both its
> utopian and dystopic forms.
> some US stats
> http://www.pewinternet.org/trends/User_Demo_03.07.05.htm
> http://www.pewinternet.org/trends/InternetAdoption.jpg
> notice the plateau since 2002...
>
> On Mar 31, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Geert Dekkers wrote:
>
>> I'd like to contradict this -- one of the signs of the fact we (=
>> humanity) haven't really started appreciating computer technology is
>> that we're not thinking and forming our lives in analogy to these
>> technologies. There may be a lot of readers of this list who know what
>> a database is but outside of our barn I assure you there are very many
>> who most certainly do not. We may have come a long way since '95 (or
>> so) but I'd guess it will take a while still before a programming
>> language gets put on a primary school curriculum.
>> Cheers
>> Geert
>> (http://nznl.com)
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Re: a few questions


Jason,
who is this Dylan person?
please send the link to his work so we all can view it.

-jeremy

jason wrote:

> Hi dylan.I like the images, they are quite painterly,they remind me of somthing i read years ago in a jack Kerouac novel about wall staring,that is,just sitting and observing a wall for the day.Im actually a student at the moment and i was wondering if you could awnser a few questions for me as i would like to include your work in a research essay i am writing.
> Dose your work through the digital relm bring you closer to people or do you feel that you still remain seperate or disembodied through this medium?
> Through the instantaneous of the computer do you feel that there is a different set of checks and balances,like the almost limitless avalability of your images yet a fundimental lack of phisicality or place?
> The internet is a shared space,do you think it overcomes other more traditional modes of exhibition or do you think it has its own problems?
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Re: RRR Revving: Up:the rapture and anti-environmentalism


I plan on actually working on this when i get home. I really want to see
the dialogue that will ensue around such a thing, and the process of
creating such a thing. To map a discussion, and clearly present a map of a
discussion. I like Pall's idea. If there was such a thing as a visual
representation of a religous debate being created - the dialogue
surrounging its creation would be just as interesting as the thing itself.
Infact, it is in the creation of the argument that the argument forms.
So, where does the argument begin in the creation of the debate over gay
rights, christianity, american idealism, etc...

-jeremy

> Sounds like a great idea, I'm all for it. I think the steam issue is a
> very interesting one. Exploring why the steam is lost and where it goes.
> Why are we afraid to discuss our points of view in a public setting when
> we know that the majority of the group is going to disagree with us?
> Aren't we firm enough in our beliefs? Or perhaps it has to do with how
> well we know our adversary. How much does he or she really know about my
> opinion/point of view? Is it more or less than what I know? And how much
> do I know about his or her opinion/point of view? The less I know, the
> more insecure I'm going to feel in such a discussion and the more I'm
> going to hope that it fades away.
>
> How about a piece that monitors Rhizome raw and if a post goes
> unanswered for, say, 3 hours, a puff of steam is somehow displayed on
> the screen (that would be the posting losing it's steam). Or perhaps a
> more metaphoric type of steam. I like the idea of monitoring raw and
> somehow creating a reaction to a post that goes unanswered for a period
> of time. But then it should somehow also display the posts that don't
> fizzle (that accumulate steam) to give an idea of the ratio. Makes me
> wonder how these things normally progress. When one thread fades, does
> another automatically take over? That is, does the "steam" always shift
> from one thread to another or can there be several active threads
> simultaneously (when I think about it, that's not something I remember
> seeing on raw) or can there be moments of total lack of steam (coal
> shortage)? Neither accumulating nor losing? Anyway, there's a start.
>
> Pall
>
> ][m e z ][ wrote:
>> At 03:58 PM 23/03/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>> we should really think about taking this further - i agree, but maybe
>>> not in the direction of writen dialogue.
>>> Maybe this is the point where we try to map out this argument in a
>>> visual or interactive form. Show me why you think what you do.
>>
>>
>>
>> sounds zoo.perb. any1 who has actually been following/partic[le]ipating
>> in the thread n.terested?
>>
>>> I can offer some server space.
>>> I would like to see
>>> why not take this further
>>
>>
>> n.deedily, y on type not?
>>
>>> This very type of exchange could really grow into something that has
>>> more meaning. It is a little sad to see that this appeasrs to have
>>> lost it's steam right where this debate always looses it steam.
>>> Sometimes we need to look at the problem in different ways in order to
>>> progress.
>>
>>
>> yup, + not only that, but i think it a valuable x.tension 2 n.courage
>> format/stylistic/visualisation changes in terms of teasing out various
>> directions/motives/backgrounds....
>>
>>> It would be a good way to bring this topic back into the realm of new
>>> media, and actually generate some?
>>
>>
>> i'm up for it, would even trawl the arc.hives 2 develop an angle on the
>> thread in qs.
>>
>> chunks,
>> mez
>>
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>> --dreaming.caramelized.txt.body.trickling.
>> --spraypaint.attractors = doll.functioning
>> http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker/
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:the rapture and anti-environmentalism


we should really think about taking this further - i agree, but maybe
not in the direction of writen dialogue.
Maybe this is the point where we try to map out this argument in a
visual or interactive form. Show me why you think what you do.
I can offer some server space.
I would like to see
why not take this further

This very type of exchange could really grow into something that has
more meaning. It is a little sad to see that this appeasrs to have lost
it's steam right where this debate always looses it steam. Sometimes we
need to look at the problem in different ways in order to progress.
It would be a good way to bring this topic back into the realm of new
media, and actually generate some?

-jeremy

netwurker@hotkey.net.au wrote:

> Pall Thayer [+ pre.curt]wrote:
>
>>>2. If I email tim, it's just two people talking. If I post it here, it has
>>
>>the makings of a big emotional debate.
>>But it wasn't initiated as a "two people talking" kind of thing and I
>>haven't seen anyone complain. I feel like I just rented a movie and the
>>last half is missing.
>
>
> ...i haven't been comprehensively absorbing the thread at all, but wanted to
> com[a]ment on this type of reaction [both curts and palls] in relation to a/this
> email list forum...
>
> ..i find it n.tensely n.teresting the dips + move.ments involved in thread
> tra[e]jectories, especially where the topic could be construed as
> inflammatory..... curts public announcement of c.king 2 withdraw to
> b/channelling [mono-topic-response] + then reactions from the multidialogic
> perspective from the [/lo-traffic/unseen/lurker] audience involved outlining
> that this would like having removal of narrative elements really hi-lites [for
> me] the nature/power of these forums...
>
> ..it also hi-lites the underlining asumption that emotiff responses are 2 be
> avoided, + classed as somehow negative-n.fused rather than competent,
> rational[ized] responses...?
>
> e|a.ffectively,
> ][mez][
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Re: diesel vultures


I agree to an extent. I originally did roll my eyes at the Diesel post,
however, I do enjoy knowing when and where the commercial entites are
drawing and learning from.

Our discussions are open for anyone to learn from, right? Does that
exclude people with commercial motivation?

...and I dont think that there are enough posts like this to turn the
rhizome community sour...just yet.

-jeremy

rdc martin wrote:

>could we please keep rhizome free from commercial opportunism as per diesel clothings offer of 2000 euros to receive the latest ideas on the net. i refer to their so called dna competition.
>
>what's next microsoft short film comps, nike best sports ads ?
>
>please no more of this.
>
>royston martin
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