Jeremy Zilar
Since 2003
Works in Brooklyn United States of America

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I am an artist an photographer living in Brooklyn, NY.
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funny funny.......

give me lost of ideas!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Net Art Market


I apologize, i came into this discussion midway, and failed to read the
full extent of what happened previously... I will go back and read up on
the material you referenced and then some...
I would like to respond to your comment though.
-jeremy

Dirk Vekemans wrote:

>Jeremy & all,
>i'm sorry, i just started out as net artist & i don't know much & all but: aren't you crossing a line here? This discussion started out with a reasonable enough presupposition that net-art should be sellable, or that net artists wishing to do so could do with some advice as to how to actually sell something ( it's not a presupposition i share, I think i have sufficiently made that clear in my contribution to Regina Celia Pinto's debate at http://arteonline.arq.br/newsletter/debate.htm , but that is not the issue).
>
>Aren't you now suggesting that the net artist should adapt her artistic conceptions to suit the market? How far are you then from making the kind of paintings Pall Thayer suggested to Geert?
>
>it's that imho you are just so obviously proving a point i'm making amidst all of my pseudo-ironic rambling, namely that an artist is doomed to corrupt her work with extra-artistic needs when you start working the selling way...
>
>just a thought,
>dv
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>Jeremy Zilar wrote:
>
>
>
>>is it possible that there has yet to be a net art project that is
>>large
>>enough or grand enough to call the attention of a collector?
>>I know things dont need to be large to be good, but in order for
>>people
>>to begin to look at net art, dont we need to start looking larger
>>than
>>the average site? or extending beyond the computer in ways?
>>
>>-jeremy
>>
>>
>>curt cloninger wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It seems like the first (and perhaps only) altoids-sponsored net
>>>
>>>
>>artist was Mark Napier, but I can't remember. I think Diesel sponsors
>>similar stuff, but it's more in the form of contests, and it's more
>>filmic/motion design.
>>
>>
>>>ryan griffis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>hasn't Altoids and Nintendo also sponsored similar net-based
>>>>projects?
>>>>i tried to find the Altoids projects again, but only found promotion
>>>>of
>>>>their investments in contemporary art. i know that they had a net
>>>>art-based project...
>>>>ryan
>>>>
>>>>On Apr 22, 2005, at 12:21 PM, curt cloninger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jason,
>>>>>
>>>>>Sony PlayStation 2 sponsored such an "online gallery" a while
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>back,
>>
>>
>>>>>curated by hi-res.net and commissioning/hosting work by various
>>>>>experimental designers. The space is archived here:
>>>>>http://archive.hi-res.net/thethirdplace.com/
>>>>>
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Re: Re: Re: Net Art Market


Great answer Curt!
Thanks! You said it!

sorry it has taken me so long to respond.

Curt Cloninger wrote:

> Hi Jeremy,
>
> A well-known ongoing, grand scale net art piece:
> http://www.worldofawe.net
>
> It's kind of like saying, "maybe garage rock hasn't attracted the
> attention of top 40 radio yet because ..." When garage rock and top
> 40 radio are largely incompatible. Maybe net art and
> contemporary/future art collectors are largely incompatible. I don't
> see it as a problem to be solved. Can an art movement be historically
> legitimate, culturally relevant, and intellectually/aesthetically
> rewarding without ever finding a market? Might it be all the more so
> without a market?
>
> peace,
> curt
>
> _
>
> At 2:46 PM -0400 4/24/05, jeremy wrote:
>
>> is it possible that there has yet to be a net art project that is
>> large enough or grand enough to call the attention of a collector?
>> I know things dont need to be large to be good, but in order for
>> people to begin to look at net art, dont we need to start looking
>> larger than the average site? or extending beyond the computer in ways?
>>
>> -jeremy
>>
>>
>> curt cloninger wrote:
>>
>>> It seems like the first (and perhaps only) altoids-sponsored net
>>> artist was Mark Napier, but I can't remember. I think Diesel
>>> sponsors similar stuff, but it's more in the form of contests, and
>>> it's more filmic/motion design.
>>>
>>> ryan griffis wrote:
>>>
>>>> hasn't Altoids and Nintendo also sponsored similar net-based
>>>> projects? i tried to find the Altoids projects again, but only
>>>> found promotion
>>>> of their investments in contemporary art. i know that they had a
>>>> net art-based project...
>>>> ryan
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 22, 2005, at 12:21 PM, curt cloninger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sony PlayStation 2 sponsored such an "online gallery" a while
>>>>> back, curated by hi-res.net and commissioning/hosting work by
>>>>> various experimental designers. The space is archived here:
>>>>> http://archive.hi-res.net/thethirdplace.com/
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Re: Re: Net Art Market


is it possible that there has yet to be a net art project that is large
enough or grand enough to call the attention of a collector?
I know things dont need to be large to be good, but in order for people
to begin to look at net art, dont we need to start looking larger than
the average site? or extending beyond the computer in ways?

-jeremy

curt cloninger wrote:

> It seems like the first (and perhaps only) altoids-sponsored net artist was Mark Napier, but I can't remember. I think Diesel sponsors similar stuff, but it's more in the form of contests, and it's more filmic/motion design.
>
> ryan griffis wrote:
>
>
>>hasn't Altoids and Nintendo also sponsored similar net-based
>>projects?
>>i tried to find the Altoids projects again, but only found promotion
>>of
>>their investments in contemporary art. i know that they had a net
>>art-based project...
>>ryan
>>
>>On Apr 22, 2005, at 12:21 PM, curt cloninger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Jason,
>>>
>>>Sony PlayStation 2 sponsored such an "online gallery" a while back,
>>>curated by hi-res.net and commissioning/hosting work by various
>>>experimental designers. The space is archived here:
>>>http://archive.hi-res.net/thethirdplace.com/
>>
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Re: Re: The Future of Academic Freedom


Progress depends on small acts of treason.
Beauty is treason for the most part.

andy barnett wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> I guess I am at the other end of the spectrum to yourself. Myself and a group of craftspeople and artists stand out in all weathers in market places and sell our works.-
> we do sell to galleries as well. We have as much freedom as we can handle.
>
> Inevitably a component of our our work is built up from thousands of weekly interactions with the public , condesing and reforming their comments impressions and projected feelings. Our work perhaps falls into the catagory of folk rather than high brow art.
>
> A few months ago I spotted a group of men standing in front of a my stall. They were
> being "drawn into" one of the pictures. I allways leave well alone when customers do this- They relax and sway their heads as their eyes follow the lines on the paper. The group came up and bought the print explaining they were American Marines and had been out in Iraq -This image made them feel peaceful and they were going to put it up in their base.
>
> Is this a form of subversion that should be encouraged further?
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