Jeremy Zilar
Since 2003
Works in Brooklyn United States of America

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I am an artist an photographer living in Brooklyn, NY.
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Re: Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)


Jason, i like where you are taking this.

Going off of what you said,.....

"I see an institution like Rhizome as being in a unique position to facilitate this kind of community activity."

So I was thinking....... What if there was a site (RHIZOME?) that had a
pool of members.. and each week there were 3(?) featured Artists on some
part of the site.
And as a member you are required to participate in 2 out of the 3
discussions a week for a months time in order to obtain a spot on the
rotating weekly calendar. Once you have a months worth of time in,..
your name goes up on the list and you become available to show your work
when your name comes around. If you want to wait, or you have nothing to
show at the time,. that is fine. you can always join the rotating weekly
schedule when you have something to show, as long as you are maintaining
your monthly discussion dues. If you stop contributing for lets say,...
2 wks then you have to star over. You just need to contribute to the
energy of the discussion in order to get in line... and you need to
maintain your presence in the discussion if you want to be in the
schedule in the future. it is simple. And if you keep the rotation going
fast enough, like weekly... you will get enough discussion in and
maintain relative interest in the process.

I think this would be a great way to encourage involvement, and generate
energy and lively evolving discussion. I have been looking for ways to
talk about art as much as the process of the industry we are involved
in. I would like to see the discussions branch out beyond the art, and
into our presentation of our art,.. and our administrative duties as
artists (taxes, resumes, proposals, bios, archive..etc.) Talking about
the art will get us all farther in our work, reshaping the system we
work in will help us to define the art, and becoming clearer in our
paperwork will help us to continue doing what we do. Is this too much to
ask of a community?

I guess the worst case scenario is that you are forced to give
constructive criticism to someone who's work you dont understand... in
which case, i am sure they could use some help with clarifying their
artist statement. :)

Let me know what you guys think. I would be happy to contribute my
skills to making anything happen. I would like to see this go beyond
what it is, and i dont know that i have completely bought into the Blog
vs Board argument. I dont know that either is the solution. I like
having my email right here in front of me. I dont want to have to go to
some website to participate, unless i was getting something more out it
than an ordinary Blog.

-jeremy

Jason Van Anden wrote:

>I did not mean to imply that blogs are bad things that should not exist, nor that I feel that Rhizome is in trouble. Since both things are new to me, that would be really rude. I have personally benefitted from my involvement in Rhizome in countless ways, and I only joined this year.
>
>I know I said in my last post that I would not be able to post again until tomorrow, but on the drive home I started to wonder if I had side-stepped Francis's question. I did not mean to, but I don't think I actually answered it.
>
>I am not super-prepared to answer it right now, but off the cuff, here is a totally made up example:
>
>Let's say that someone had an idea for a website called "artornot.com" (apparently not very original idea - domain already taken - I checked), to be used as a open forum for new media art criticism and discussion. Let's say that this was a really good idea (just). I think it would be great if that person was encouraged to come to this community with the idea, with the possibility that it would get support (developmental, moral, financial, coding, etc...) from other members, rather than letting it rot on the vine because of lack of personal resources (time, money, faith).
>
>I see an institution like Rhizome as being in a unique position to facilitate this kind of community activity. As I am writing this, I am thinking about what Dyske said in a much earlier thread - perhaps it is my responsibility to initiate such things.
>
>Feedback appreciated.
>
>Jason Van Anden
>www.smileproject.com
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>+
>-> post: list@rhizome.org
>-> questions: info@rhizome.org
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
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DISCUSSION

[Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Curt Cloninger]


I personally have finally been getting something usefull out of this list. Not that it is much in the way of progress, but it has at least got a number of people to come together about something. And that is more than i have experienced from this list since joining.

As for your plea for more madness? show me madness and i will much happier. Get this many people together to talk about madness, and we all will be extatic. Madness is ok. I just havent seen any madness worth talking about.

-me

Eric Dymond wrote:

>please see:
>
>http://www.well.com/user/jmalloy/flamewar/
>
>you know, there is a place for serious discussion, and then there are listservs.
>They can be lively, and hopefully outrageous.
>This has become far to pedantic.
>Lighten up, and act like madness was ok here.
>smile
>(Curts a fine person, I'm sure, and quite capable of resonding with an appropriate response.)
>
>It is sad that casual conversation has become the standard on the list.
>Eric
>
>Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
>
>
>>Oh Dear!
>>The idea that someone whose rhetorical heights reach
>>cheap innuendo of a McCarthyite bent should be taken
>>seriously for even an instant as a critic of Curt
>>Cloninger , who has contributed so much and so clearly
>>to this list, would be laughable if it wasn't that in
>>these fevered times that mud can stick.
>>
>>On the few occasions that Curt has ventured a
>>political opinion it hasn't been mine.
>>On art he is matchless, even when one disagrees with
>>him.
>>What stands out about him is both his fearlessness and
>>his honesty.
>>The idea firstly that Bush et al require a provocateur
>>on the list is bizarre paranoia but the idea that they
>>would recruit the one person who is completely open
>>about his differences with what I think he would call
>>the "liberal consensus" is totally risible.
>>Please do crawl back into your hole, Mr Dymond, & stay
>>there - to date your posts have been both deeply
>>sleazy & ( in the old Yorkshire phraseology) *neither
>>use nor ornament*.
>>michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- Eric Dymond <e.dymond@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>a simple question,
>>>Curt...., where do you get your funding?
>>>+
>>>-> post: list@rhizome.org
>>>-> questions: info@rhizome.org
>>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>>>http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is
>>>open to non-members
>>>+
>>>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
>>>out in the
>>>Membership Agreement available online at
>>>http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>-> post: list@rhizome.org
>-> questions: info@rhizome.org
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
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DISCUSSION

Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)


Dyske, I like your questions. I was thinking along similar lines today.

I wanted to ask the community:
"What is Rhizome? Can you describe it?"

and as Dyske says, "What sort of content should Rhizome foster?"

I think that with the open discussion of what it is, we will come to
understand the direction it should take, through a natural process.
Help me dream up ideas and possibilities! I am looking forward to an
engaging discussion.

-jeremy

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http://silencematters.com/shhhh/shhhh.html
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Dyske Suematsu wrote:

>Speaking of preferences. If I were in charge of the technology at Rhizome,
>my strategy would be this: I would try to define the objectives of Rhizome
>first, and then try to use technologies that best serve those objectives.
>What I end up choosing as my solutions may be nothing exciting, old
>technologies or something everyone uses.
>
>To define my objectives, I might ask questions like:
>
>Do I want to encourage thoughtful discussions that can be shared with a
>large audience?
>
>Do I want Rhizome to be a casual place where people can express their
>opinions freely whether they are intellectually or emotionally motivated?
>
>Would Rhizome members benefit more by encouraging intimate inter-member
>communication or one-to-many communication?
>
>Should Rhizome place its emphasis on supporting its own members or the
>general public who are interested in digital art?
>
>If one of the objectives is to raise awareness of digital art among the
>general public, what sort of content should Rhizome foster? How could we
>foster it? What would the general public want to see on Rhizome? How should
>the site be organized for that purpose?
>
>Should Rhizome be completely undiscriminating about what constitute good
>art, and collect everything and anything? (convenient for artists) Or should
>Rhizome use its own judgment and highlight works it deems as good art?
>(convenient for the audience)
>
>And so on...
>
>After answering these questions, I would find the best technologies for
>them, and implement them specifically for those objectives.
>
>I find that some technologists are too experimental without having specific
>visions and tangible goals. They experiment, and they describe the results
>of those experiments: How certain technologies ended up being used. What
>sort of social implications they have. What it is good for. How it changed
>people's lives. Etc.. That is, always after the fact. Their thinking is not:
>"We want to achieve this; so let's use this technology this way." Instead,
>they think: "Let's try this new technology and see what happens." Thus
>technologies get used for their own sake.
>
>Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that this is what Francis does. I'm aware
>that he is concerned about some of the questions I raised above. I'm
>illustrating the two extremes in how technologists think. Everyone falls
>somewhere in between.
>
>In fact, someone does need to experiment with new technologies, for the rest
>of us to be able to use them appropriately. The question as a director of IT
>is: Is my role to explore the possibilities of new technologies, or to use
>them to serve a certain purpose? I find that many directors of IT end up
>doing the former because it is more exciting, better for their careers, and
>offers more recognition for their achievements. It is rare to see IT
>directors who put objectives before the allure of new technologies. I've
>personally witnessed millions of dollars go down the toilet because of these
>tendencies of IT directors.
>
>Again, I do not want to sound like I am criticizing Francis personally. This
>is simply my own personal philosophy of managing IT.
>
>-Dyske
>
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DISCUSSION

[Fwd: kerry]


a great petition for Kerry. Please take a look at it.
it is one of the better ones i have seen.

http://www.musicforamerica.org/kerrypetition

DISCUSSION

NYC Party for Kerry


Hello all

Some people that I work with are putting on a John Kerry fundraising event
on July 22nd in New York City that I would like to invite you to. It will be a night of
political short films, and should be a good time.

Information and a flyer are available here: http://davidcorrell.net/action/

I am not involved with the production of this event, so if you have any
questions about the event, handling of the funds, or anything else, please
address them to the email linked from the web page, as I will probably not
be able to answer them.

If you are interested, spread the word!

Thanks!