Jason Van Anden
Since 2004
Works in Brooklyn, New York United States of America

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Jason Van Anden is a new media activist, artist, inventor and robot maker. His creations are exhibited internationally, receiving recognition in the art, science, technology and gaming communities. More about Jason and his work can be found at his website www.smileproject.com.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: New on post.thing.net


aa(wo)men

i++ == j != [mez]

On Nov 27, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Annie Abrahams wrote:

> Yes I knew post.thing.net interface. Someone pointed it out to me a
> few weeks ago. I do have nothing against it "personally".
>
> I cite Eric Dymond "It truncates it. It also looses something, the
> stream of thought, the interaction is missing, something active and
> alive just isn't there.
> Lists belong to a continuum, blogs are private and chunky, and read by
> far fewer people."
>
> Yes, I do prefer what you call "closed discussion" read by the
> initiated subscribed to a listserv above no discussion at all that I
> find in most blogs. I do prefer to be confronted to all kinds of
> messages, ideas, different opinions of a list community above finding
> more of the same on the rss of a blog. (of course there are
> exceptions)
> a blog is monolithic a list is multiple
> a blog is materiel, a list is a fluid
> a blog is glue and crystals, a list soap and bubbles
>
> Blogs can serve specific working situations, as making collections
> together. But mostly they serve only to reinforce the identity of the
> blogger.
> It might also be that as T.Whid stated some time ago, that they serve
> as a secure haven where one can have opinions without having to
> discuss them.
> blogs are save, lists are dangerous (in potential)
>
> in potential
> That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce
> existing ones.
>
> best
> Annie
>
>
>
> On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <ghh@thing.net> wrote:
>> gh responds:
>> Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic
>> to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on
>> an article or post your own article. The only difference is that
>> it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of
>> structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the
>> initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In
>> fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via
>> google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot
>> clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv
>> structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you
>> actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface
>> before dismissing it offhand?
>>
>> annie abrahams wrote:
>>
>> > I am against blogs
>> >
>> > I am for lists
>> >
>> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
>> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot
>> find a
>> > link, has it disappeared?
>> >
>> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
>> > invest lists again
>> >
>> >
>> > best Annie Abrahams
>> >
>> > On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <ghh@thing.net> wrote:
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
>> > http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
>> > There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and
>> around
>> > the world. Some recent bloggers include:
>> > >
>> > > James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
>> > > Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
>> > >
>> > > Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
>> > Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
>> > >
>> > > Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
>> > first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
>> > http://post.thing.net
>> > >
>> > > The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
>> > >
>> > > I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
>> > would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
>> > > Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me
>> and I'll
>> > set you up with a blog!!
>> > > +
>> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
>> > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
>> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> > > +
>> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> > > Membership Agreement available online at
>> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
>> > Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
>> > "Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour
>> de la
>> > "peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
>> > http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>> >
>> +
>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
>> subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
>> 29.php
>>
>
>
> --
>
> "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
> Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
> "Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
> "peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
> http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
> subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
> 29.php

DISCUSSION

Neil and Iona at Artbots 2006 Special Edition


Hi All,

My human scale emotive robotic sculptures "Neil and Iona" (and I) will be participating in a special regional Artbots: The Robot Talent Show the weekend of November 11th at LocationOne in Soho (NY, USA). This event is part of a weekend of Science and Technology events in New York City. We will be in the company of some really great New York City robots along with their robot makers. If you have not made it to past Artbots, they are usually a lot of fun - free - and kid friendly (not that most contemporary art isn't).

The opening is Thursday the 9th - details (plus pictures from the Monkeytown gig last month) can be found here:

http://www.smileproject.com/press

artbots website: http://www.artbots.org/2006_nyc/

i++
www.smileproject.com

DISCUSSION

Re: New Media Art


This is a pretty abstract question - for instance, I consider paint a
technology. The whole "new media" term seems a little ill fated,
like what happens when the next new thing comes along.

All that being said ... it might be more helpful if you provided an
example of "new media" that does not link to technology - this way
there could be a point of reference we might discuss.

i++

On Oct 29, 2006, at 9:19 PM, <jlm58@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In your opinion, is it possible to argue that new media art does
> not have to be linked to technology? If so, how?
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
> 29.php

DISCUSSION

Blogosphericy?


Is it just me or does it seem super weird when bloggers interview each other on each other's blogs? If conspiracy is latin for "breathing the same air" - is this a "blogosphericy"?

I recently stumbled upon a really thoughtful review of Cory Archangel's recent show at Team (still up until the 4th) on artfagcity.com, a really super blog written by a Paddy Johnson. The funny thing is that Paddy seemed motivated to write the review (on her blog) because she was upset about the dearth of discussion about new media here at Rhizome (this is mentioned in another thread on her blog). Before I go on about this - just so its not lost in the sauce - the link to the review is at the end of this post.

I sent her an email this morning because I was motivated to point out the irony of the situation. The most relevant part is re-emailed below :

Regarding your commentary on Rhizome becoming less of a resource for discussion - I have noticed lately that a lot more seems to be discussed about new media on individual sites such as your own ... at the expense of boards such as RAW. I suspect that blogs have created a "content brain drain" of sorts - as far as boards go.

Why did you post your CA review on your own blog instead of on RAW?

I get the feeling that people feel it is safer to post on their own blogs than in an open system such as a board - and it kind of is - but at the expense of community.

--- end of re-email

I post this in hopes that this might be discussed further, here.

Here is the Cory Review:
http://artfagcity.blogspot.com/2006/10/cory-arcangels-latest-exhibition-at.html

Best,
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com

DISCUSSION

Redo: Its the Blogs Stupid? (re: Community)


So much for spontaneity! Apologies for the lack of proofing on my
last post before jumping on the subway to work.

Those comments were not meant to suggest that the blogs alone are to
blame for a less lively Rhizome. It seems that a cloud of
disenfranchisement has gathered as well. I agree with Lee (I usually
do).

Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com

On 10/6/06, Jason Van Anden <jason@smileproject.com> wrote:
> I came to Rhizome late - in 2003. I was a little disappointed then
> with the reality vs promise that this represented. Still, I have met
> a lot of cool people that have helped my art career along.
>
> I expressed a concern then that the emergence of the blog could
> potentially kill a community like Rhizome unless people made a
> concerted effort to continue to participate in the board. Before
> individual blogs became easy and popular, people had no choice but to
> participate in a message board if they wanted to share their opinions
> with others. The format of the message board forced people to deal
> with a community if they wanted to be listened to - which ensured
> lively interaction and fresh content as an emergent behavior. Perhaps
> the motivation for Rhizome Raw is diminished now that on the internet
> nobody knows your dog has a blog. Or something.
>
> Jason Van Anden
> www.smileproject.com
>
> On Oct 6, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Lee Wells wrote:
>
> > It definitely isn't the same thing it use to be.
> > My biggest disappointment lately was that they didn't let the
> > community know
> > about the 10 year festival until it was already curated. I'm sure
> > many of
> > the members would have liked to be included in some part of it
> > outside of
> > the Keylines discussion on the choices that were made.
> > Isn't that what Rhizome is anyway????
> >
> > Where was the open call to the members?
> > Was it something we all missed.
> >
> > Did the New Museum of Contemporary Art make an executive decision?
> > Is the
> > fact that Rhizome's a membership org only a conduit for grants? I
> > know its
> > not easy to run a non profit but what used to be an open network
> > has to a
> > certain degree become a bit privileged and elitist.
> >
> > Perhaps Marisa can explain to everyone her curatorial decisions.
> > The main
> > mistake was that there wasn't even the illusion that the real
> > community on
> > Rhizome would be asked to be a part of something. For as much as
> > the staff
> > is accountable to the Board of Directors they should also be
> > accountable to
> > the members of the community as well.
> >
> > I'm sure there could have been some sort of collaborative project
> > created
> > that could have included everyone if they so desired.
> >
> > I've been hanging around the RAW servers since 1998 and have been
> > surprised
> > by some of the directions that the org has taken over the years.
> > On certain levels the site is better, like the New York Times of
> > New Media
> > and an amazing resource for calls for work and exhibition
> > opportunities. But
> > the great conversations and real community participation of the
> > past now
> > only happen once in a great while and the users have been turned into
> > passive viewers. As long as there are only a couple people questioning
> > nothing will change.
> >
> > Full community participation is needed to create a positive change
> > in any
> > society.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/5/06 6:03 PM, "Steve OR Steven Read"
> > <steveread@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Uh oh, it's turning into a rhizome bashing party!
> >>
> >> I have only been around here for about 2 years. I have watched the
> >> 'community'
> >> feeling dwindle. I can't bitch too much because I'm sort of a
> >> loner and not
> >> usually one to jump into communities in general. But what has
> >> caused this
> >> reduction besides the commission stuff, and is disappointing, is
> >> the end of
> >> the 'art base'. I don't know if the reason is because of manpower
> >> funding or
> >> because of regime change strategy decisions, but about a year ago
> >> they stopped
> >> accepting things into the art base. The rhizome front page used to
> >> be mostly
> >> MEMBER art projects that were newly added into the art base. It
> >> was member
> >> content. And it was exciting to see all the new member art coming
> >> in and to
> >> see it discussed here. That is gone. Decisions were made to change
> >> to a reblog
> >> system of mostly external NON-MEMBER content. I voiced my opinion
> >> about that
> >> decision when it was made. I was slapped down, and for one reason
> >> or another
> >> was asked to resign as a 'superuser' helper. (Apparently I wasn't p!
> >> osting often enough to be useful as a FREE volunteer resource)
> >> Now the site
> >> its mostly digested information from other blogs and sources. I
> >> don't need
> >> that, I have a free bloglines account already thank you.
> >>
> >> The art base claims to still be in operation. But how many pieces
> >> have been
> >> added to it this year? About 5. It used to be at least 10-20
> >> pieces per week.
> >> Now it's pretty much gone. And there has been little to no
> >> explanation. And I
> >> am quite sure the members were submitting hundreds and hundreds of
> >> pieces to
> >> the art base this year. They appear to have been completely ignored.
> >>
> >> Then they do an anniversary festival, all in NYC it seemed.
> >> Suffice to say I
> >> didn't feel at all any sense of 'community' involvement with this
> >> festival. I
> >> could have missed something with that, but it seemed to me to be
> >> conceived and
> >> implemented in a vacuum.
> >>
> >> I would like to renew my membership when the time comes, but the
> >> reasons are
> >> disappearing. I feel my money is not going to help any
> >> 'community', but
> >> instead to help a select few NYC insiders, which I am not 'lucky'
> >> enough to be
> >> one of. They don't seem to want our community, or they simply
> >> can't afford it
> >> anymore.
> >> +
> >> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> >> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> >> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
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> >> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> >> +
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> >> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
> >> 29.php
> >>
>
>
>
> +
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>

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Jason Van Anden
http://www.smileproject.com