Ivan Pope
Since the beginning
Works in Brighton United States of America

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In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
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Re: Re: Arts Intolerance: Emily Jacir/Ulrich MuseumWichita


> Cinque wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I have so much faith in art. I have so much faith in creation. I
>>> know that
>>> it flourishes even in the most repressive political regimes (to wit,
>>> Zimbabwe, Eastern Europe...think of the art Cuba has produced). I
>>> have so
>>> much faith in art, and so much faith in the talent of Miss Jacir that I
>>> believe her work can survive--can thrive even--in a riotous, noisy,
>>> unpolished marketplace of ideas. And if it doesn't, well then so be it.
>>> History has a way of disposing of that which is useless to it
>>
>>
>
> sheesh...an art fundamentalist... a wolf in black sheep clothing.
>

Quite. History has nothing to do with it. People/regimes/cultures have a
way of disposing of that which _seems_ useless to it. It is our job to
resist assimilation.
Even in the boondocks. Even in places where we can't quite see what the
point of resisting is. If we don't resist, then there will be no art
that does more than please the eye. I liked the guy who said 'please
keep bringing art, art changed me'.
Ivan

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Re: Re: Arts Intolerance: Emily Jacir/Ulrich Museum Wichita


Cinque Hicks wrote:

>This decision on the university’s part is annoying, inconvenient and a little bit tacky, but it comes nowhere near being a first amendment issue.
>
>Furthermore, did I read correctly that the University wishes to put the offending material just *outside* the gallery? I’ve never been there, but I’m imaging some sort of foyer or entry hall that would house the material? Does anybody know if this is the case? If it is, then I especially have no problem with this. Again, it’s sort of tacky, but I also don’t have such a sanctimonious, pious view of art as some quasi-religious object that I don’t think it should risk coming into contact with the messy real world.
>
>If I were the artist, I would seize on this opportunity to have an actual dialog with the public for once. Imagine: an actual dialog instead of being sequestered off in some artsy-fartsy gallery preaching to people who basically already think the way you do anyway. I say go for it, let the recriminations begin! Finally! This is free speech in action, not an abridging of speech.
>
>There is a solution to this problem short of canceling the show: let the show go forward and trust that people can actually make up their own minds about what they think, even when you don’t have a monopoly on all the speech.
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Cinque,
I think the point here is not about art having to to deal with the real
world. I think Emily Jacir's work is fully engaged with the world. And
obviously people have the free speech right to demonstrate against
things they don't like. Maybe they should mount a picket outside the
gallery. It would certainly raise interesting questions about the work.
I don't think artists are afraid to argue.
But the current situation is that the people who commissioned the work
in the first place have invited the prostesters into the lobby to keep
warm, in other words they have sprung an ambush on the artist without so
much as a by your leave. In doing so, they have validated the protest
(which is of course a political protest, not an art protest). And god
knows where that leads us, as others have pointed out.
Ivan

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Re: Re: Fuck Bush! - dear, oh dear


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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><b>Hate
this man. This is the face of our new emperor, a lifeless political
derelict, a simpering Jesus-fucker, the brand X leader of the free
world. Murderer, crook, bungler, mouthpiece for Big Oil. <br>
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Lynch mob cheerleader, liar, cheat, poseur, scarecrow of imperialism.
Worthless thief and petty tyrant.<br>
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Hate this man. Hate those who reclaimed this worthless piece of shit
from the slimebucket, those who slapped a big-shoulder suit on his
scrawny ass, and released him<b> to befoul our world. </b><br>
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Hate this bully who attacks the weak and innocent. He is the spear
point of the rabid right wing, the sadism of the shock and awe
strategy. <br>
<br>
Here is the face of death, of ignorance, the face of hypocrisy and
greed. Here is the antihuman, the ultimate hater of all time, so we
must strike back. What choice do we, the peacemakers, have left? Hate
will cure what hate created; hate will remind us of the need for
justice; hate will show us the way to victory. <br>
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Only then can we love again.</b></font><br>
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Fuck Bush!
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Re: What You Didn't Know About the Dollar & Iraq


Lee Wells wrote:

>What You Didn't Know About the Dollar & Iraq
>by Mark Owen
>
> There
>is no intrinsic value in paper currency after delinking from a gold
>standard. This is why they are referred to as bank notes. They are mere tickets/tokens. Forced tender
>laws were passed in order to give the paper currency legitimacy. The only
>thing giving bank notes value is TAXATION.
>
>Gold and silver have intrinsic
>value due to scarcity and the fact that it takes work to produce them
>(mining, smelting etc). This is why they have been used as money for 5000
>years. Precious metals are a good store of value. They retain their value
>over time and aren't subject to inflation.
>
Seldom read so much nonsense. Gold and silver don't have 'intrinsic'
value, they have value because the supply is limited (and often
controlled by cartels and governments). Same with paper currency. If
anything, paper currency has more intrinsic value than gold and silver
because it is created to carry such value.
And do gold and silver retain their value over time? Well, they do
retain the concept of value (unlike paper currencies that can be phased
out). But they are subject to value fluctuations like everything else.

Ivan

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Re: Can company logos be used in artwork?


> As far as fair use is concerned, parody is a well-protected category.
> Are you using the logos for a form of parody? If so you most likely
> have nothing to worry about. If you are using them for satire,
> however, things get more complex. But I would advise that you make the
> artwork regardless of these concerns--the law is changing and very
> bizarre right now. Make the work, worry about the other crap later...
>

*sat