Eryk Salvaggio
Since the beginning
Works in Ogunquit, Massachusetts United States of America

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The Harry Potter of the Digital Avant Garde." - Pieter van Bogaert, of the Belgian Newspaper "TIJD", 09/03/02.

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DISCUSSION

Re: RHizome Deserves your support.


> "What is WRONG with you fucking people?"

I can only speak for myself. A while back I noticed that the community
wasn't looking at art in a really focused way- it still doesn't talk about
actual artworks, it announces artworks and it talks about art politics. But
I decided back then to start interviews with artists that people could look
at and talk about and whose interviews would make an interesting addition to
the body that makes up the rhizome text archive. No one else was really
doing interviews since Josephine Bosma left, and I decided to take up the
mantle by conducting interviews that were low on high-end theory and talked
about their work on a practical, hopefully interesting and accessible level.
I conducted interviews with Ben Benjamin, John Klima, Chris Fahey, Chris
Basset, Margaret Penny, and Michael Daines. (I've since done interviews for
Turbulence with Cory Arcangel, Michael Mandiberg, and Kalx.com).

It was really ironic gesture to ask me to pay money in order to continue
doing interviews with people for rhizome's front page. I brought this up
when we were asked "What do you guys think of the five dollars" and never
got an answer- I never once received any acknowledgement from anyone at
Rhizome for what I've done- except from someone (not within rhizome) who
said that it was "exposure". Well, what's "exposure" exactly? My feeling is
that rhizome didn't think what I was doing was that interesting or
important- that it wasn't worth their five dollars. So, I stopped, and I
feel annoyed for having done it (for rhizome) in the first place. I don't
know what Rhizomes goals are, I don't even know what Rhizome is, if it
requires that people pay in order to generate content for them. That
position strikes me as arrogant.

I support rhizome and I am enthusiastic about assisting when I am asked, but
I get essentially nothing in return for my five dollars, except the
opportunity to spend an afternoon at home coming up with questions and
editing texts for you people to read and ignore or quote in your graduate
thesis. I like doing interviews, but it is work, and it takes time, and I am
paying someone else for the "opportunity" to do it *for them*. Would you do
it? Try it, and tell me if you don't feel like a sucker after a while. I
just feel that as long as I feel like a sucker for paying the five dollars,
Rhizome isn't giving me very many good reasons to pay it. If that makes me
an "asshole" then I'm an asshole.

-e.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Lichty" <voyd@voyd.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:30 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: RHizome Deserves your support.

> I'll put my two cents in on the whole funding matter.
> First of all, I understand that most of the Rhizome community is a good
lot
> who are really concerned with banding together under a genre/movement that
> gets amazingly little support/respect from the mainstream art community,
and
> this is not intended for you.
>
> I get pretty sick and tired of hearing the hue and cry every time Rhizome
> asks for help from its membership, and I get really fucking irate when no
> one gives their trust fund to The Thing. Here's why.
>
> I think that Rhizome has been amazingly open with its books to the
> membership, and to pillory them every time that there is a need for
funding
> is ridiculous. Of course, there were some boondoggles, like the timing of
> the Ross/Ono fundraiser last year (which had been planned far in advance),
> and there were some questions of Tribe's salary and its proportionality to
> his field. However, I only have pretty solid hearsay on that last part,
but
> only that.
>
> To me, any organization has its logistical and PR problems. Fair enough.
> We can have our disagreements on the human aspects of any org.
>
> What matters to me is the spirit of an organization and the impetus behind
> it.
>
> Rhizome was created as a more or less grass roots org for the promotion of
> new media art. We can argue about who's what's and wherefores regarding
the
> personalities, the controversies of the Artbase agreement, whether Mark
may
> or may not have used his trust fund to start it (if he did, I actually
> respect that a bit more than someone who just bought a Boxster with it.).
>
> To me, all this is utter and complete bullshit. Please excuse me for
being
> blunt.
> Somehow, some way, my impression is that there is a vocal contingent on
the
> various lists that believes that Rhizome should be an organization that
> promotes/caters to artists on a very individualized and very personal
level,
> provide funding and services on likewise basis, and do so without any
> responsibility from the membership, as somehow resources for servers,
> payroll, and rent are somehow supposed to come from the supposed fat cats
> that are somehow obliged to fund the art world because we are entitled to
> it.
>
> This is a tremendous soap-bubble mentality from a minority of vocal
artists
> with a lot of ego and bitterness who need a little spoonful of reality.
> Again, sorry for being blunt, but having seen the other side of the
equation
> now, the funding situation for the arts is abysmal, I mean really bad.
You
> have to do a tremendous amount of work for each grant for each foundation,
> than if you get it, you face incredible accountability measures from the
> foundations. And in the current climate, funding is being slashed right
and
> left, and if Bush and the NeoCons would have their way, the scion of the
> Albert Speer school of NeoCapitoFederalist Realsim would be Thomas
Kinkaide,
> because he _sells_ art.
>
> Where's the money going to come from? Are we supposed to go work at
> Starbucks and fund others from the tip jar? I actually have done this,
and
> have had an average annual income of under $15,000/year since 1985. Not
> 1995, _1985_.
>
> This is not going to be an exercise in showing you my stigmata, for I'm no
> saint. But I do serve the art community pretty tirelessly, and I get
pretty
> damned tired of people who sit around and pose, then bitch about how bad
> things are with nary a callous on their hands from lifting a finger to
help.
> I'll still help everyone, but this sort fo self-centered mentality (which,
> imagine that- artists being self-centered! Who would have thought?)
> sometimes gets on my last nerve.
>
> My point is to ask is, to paraphrase the Texas Chainsaw Masscre, "What is
> WRONG with you fucking people?"
>
> Getting in arrears about five bucks is really comical. The ACLU is
calling
> me twice a month looking for $75. I get at least three pieces of junk
mail
> asking for money for Father Spunky's Home for Wayward Pueblo Kids or
whatnot
> looking for a minimum of $25, being that I'm somehow now on the 'liberal'
> mailing list. The point is that Rhizome and Thing (as well as some
others)
> are pretty modest in asking for your support. And they're doing something
> worthy of your support.
>
> So just chill out a little, willya?
> I'll try to do the same, but having Rachel have to justify why she needs
to
> ask for $5 to each and every one of us on an almost individual level takes
> away from the time she needs to be doing things, and is just pretty banal.
>
> Sorry to get on my high horse, but for those of you who know me, there are
> times in which I just have to get it off my chest.
>
> THanks for listening.
> Patrick
>
>
>
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DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Needs Your Support


Will Rhizome supporters be able to assist in the selection process? I
remember the last time you all did this, you picked "Members of the Rhizome
Community" to serve on the board, who also just happened to be the heads of
various New Media orgs and museums around the country. Are we keeping the
hierarchy intact this year or going rhizomatic?

-e.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Greene" <rachel@rhizome.org>
To: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk@maine.rr.com>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: Rhizome Needs Your Support

> $12,000 in Net Art commissions. Only members of Rhizome ("Rhizome
> artists") are eligible for the commissions. The announcement with all
> the program details will run next Monday, by the way.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 03:04 PM, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
>
> >
> > When you say $12,000 to Rhizome artists, what do you mean?
> >
> > -e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rachel Greene" <rachel@rhizome.org>
> > To: <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:36 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: Rhizome Needs Your Support
> >
> >
> >> Hi Rhizomers:
> >>
> >> When we made the transition from free membership to requiring
> >> membership
> >> contributions last January, there was a lot of debate on Rhizome.org
> >> and
> >> elsewhere. It was a difficult decision for us, but in the end it was
> >> the
> >> decisive factor in keeping Rhizome.org alive.
> >>
> >> If you are getting this message, then you are one of about 4,400
> >> Rhizomers who decided to support Rhizome.org with a contribution. I'm
> >> writing to you now to let you know that we need your support once
> >> again.
> >> Our goal this year is to raise $37,000 by the 1st of February. So far
> >> we
> >> have raised about $5,000.
> >>
> >> Please renew your membership now at
> >> http://www.rhizome.org/support/?list, and consider increasing your
> >> level
> >> of support.
> >>
> >> Although our affiliation with the New Museum of Contemporary Art helps
> >> us reduce our overhead significantly, we are still a small,
> >> independent
> >> nonprofit and we must raise own funds to survive. It will cost about
> >> $210,000 to operate Rhizome.org this fiscal year (this is about
> >> two-thirds of what our was budget last year). Though they offer other
> >> forms of support, the New Museum does not support us financially. Many
> >> economies around the world have started to recover, but the funding
> >> environment for American nonprofits remains very challenging.
> >>
> >> Your support will be put to good use. In the next few months, we will
> >> initiate a new cycle of commissions in which we will award more than
> >> $12,000 to Rhizome artists, revamp our search engine, develop a new
> >> ArtBase curatorial program and launch Rhizome Memberships for
> >> Organizations, a new program that will provide access to Rhizome.org
> >> through schools, libraries and arts organizations from Chiang Mai to
> >> Chile. And we will continue to offer our core programs, including the
> >> Rhizome.org web site and email lists, with a focus on further
> >> improving
> >> the quality and relevance of our content.
> >>
> >> Starting now, Rhizome members who donate more than $15 will receive a
> >> 10-20\% discount on all items purchased at the New Museum's Online
> >> Store
> >> (the discount range depends on the producer -- books or editions
> >> published by the New Museum are discounted 20\%). The New Museum Online
> >> Store, which you can peruse at
> >> http://www.newmuseum.org/comersus/store/comersus\_dynamicIndex.asp, has
> >> wonderful books and gifts. Their book inventory is wide-ranging across
> >> the fields of art, theory, and media. Titles include Uncanny Networks
> >> by
> >> Geert Lovink, Snap to Grid by former Rhizome Regional Editor Peter
> >> Lunenfeld, and the New Museum Press' Art After Modernism: Rethinking
> >> Representation edited by Brian Wallis. These are just three terrific
> >> books you could buy at a significant discount! They would each make a
> >> nice holiday gift. The Online Store also sells artists editions,
> >> CD-ROMS, clothes, gifts, and children's merchandise. If you contribute
> >> $50 or more, we will also will thank you with a "SOYLOVE" T-SHIRT
> >> designed by Rhizome artist Cary Peppermint. Cary's wearable art is a
> >> resounding hit among art and media crowds internationally!
> >>
> >> Please renew soon by making a donation here
> >> http://www.rhizome.org/support/?list
> >>
> >> I hope you will enjoy the New Museum Online Store discount or Cary
> >> Peppermint's conceptual art t-shirt. I also hope you'll let me know
> >> what
> >> you think about Rhizome.org's direction.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Rachel Greene
> >> Rhizome.org
> >> +
> >> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> >> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> >> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> >> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> >> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> >> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> >> +
> >> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> >> Membership Agreement available online at
> >> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >>
> >
>
> +
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> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Needs Your Support


When you say $12,000 to Rhizome artists, what do you mean?

-e.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Greene" <rachel@rhizome.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: Rhizome Needs Your Support

> Hi Rhizomers:
>
> When we made the transition from free membership to requiring membership
> contributions last January, there was a lot of debate on Rhizome.org and
> elsewhere. It was a difficult decision for us, but in the end it was the
> decisive factor in keeping Rhizome.org alive.
>
> If you are getting this message, then you are one of about 4,400
> Rhizomers who decided to support Rhizome.org with a contribution. I'm
> writing to you now to let you know that we need your support once again.
> Our goal this year is to raise $37,000 by the 1st of February. So far we
> have raised about $5,000.
>
> Please renew your membership now at
> http://www.rhizome.org/support/?list, and consider increasing your level
> of support.
>
> Although our affiliation with the New Museum of Contemporary Art helps
> us reduce our overhead significantly, we are still a small, independent
> nonprofit and we must raise own funds to survive. It will cost about
> $210,000 to operate Rhizome.org this fiscal year (this is about
> two-thirds of what our was budget last year). Though they offer other
> forms of support, the New Museum does not support us financially. Many
> economies around the world have started to recover, but the funding
> environment for American nonprofits remains very challenging.
>
> Your support will be put to good use. In the next few months, we will
> initiate a new cycle of commissions in which we will award more than
> $12,000 to Rhizome artists, revamp our search engine, develop a new
> ArtBase curatorial program and launch Rhizome Memberships for
> Organizations, a new program that will provide access to Rhizome.org
> through schools, libraries and arts organizations from Chiang Mai to
> Chile. And we will continue to offer our core programs, including the
> Rhizome.org web site and email lists, with a focus on further improving
> the quality and relevance of our content.
>
> Starting now, Rhizome members who donate more than $15 will receive a
> 10-20\% discount on all items purchased at the New Museum's Online Store
> (the discount range depends on the producer -- books or editions
> published by the New Museum are discounted 20\%). The New Museum Online
> Store, which you can peruse at
> http://www.newmuseum.org/comersus/store/comersus\_dynamicIndex.asp, has
> wonderful books and gifts. Their book inventory is wide-ranging across
> the fields of art, theory, and media. Titles include Uncanny Networks by
> Geert Lovink, Snap to Grid by former Rhizome Regional Editor Peter
> Lunenfeld, and the New Museum Press' Art After Modernism: Rethinking
> Representation edited by Brian Wallis. These are just three terrific
> books you could buy at a significant discount! They would each make a
> nice holiday gift. The Online Store also sells artists editions,
> CD-ROMS, clothes, gifts, and children's merchandise. If you contribute
> $50 or more, we will also will thank you with a "SOYLOVE" T-SHIRT
> designed by Rhizome artist Cary Peppermint. Cary's wearable art is a
> resounding hit among art and media crowds internationally!
>
> Please renew soon by making a donation here
> http://www.rhizome.org/support/?list
>
> I hope you will enjoy the New Museum Online Store discount or Cary
> Peppermint's conceptual art t-shirt. I also hope you'll let me know what
> you think about Rhizome.org's direction.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rachel Greene
> Rhizome.org
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

DISCUSSION

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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Materialism/Mysticism (was Re: No Web Art in the Whitney Biennial?)


We'd have a pretty good biennial.

-e.

----- Original Message -----
From: "D42 Kandinskij" <D42@punkassbitch.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Materialism/Mysticism (was Re: No Web Art in the
Whitney Biennial?)

> Names
> Marcel Duchamp
> Karl Marx
> Joseph Beuys
> Erich Fromm
> Curt Cloninger
> John Cage
> Mesiter Eckhart
> Tristan Tzara
> Eryk Salvaggio
>
> We insist on being added to the names list. Thank you.
>
> `~.D42
>
> Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
>
> > (weirdest change of subject I've seen in a while)
> >
> > Curt;
> >
> > The problem with a lot of moderate views of Marxism and Socialism is
> > that
> > they react to a very base element of spirituality (which many people
> > do).
> > This is really true with any secular movement. The interesting thing
> > though
> > is that revolution serves the same function that religion might.
> >
> > Erich Fromm suggested that there were two types of religion-
> > humanistic and
> > totalitarian; and that totalitarian religion is an escape from
> > freedom,
> > while humanistic religion allows an individual to look at their own
> > freedom
> > and not be afraid, but to embrace freedom for positive action. I think
> > a lot
> > of secular movements, like Marxism, look at totalitarian religion and
> > mistake it for *all* religion- certainly Marx did. Totalitarian
> > Religion is
> > the opiate of the masses, indeed- but humanistic religion shares its
> > aims
> > with Marxism: Liberation of the human spirit. The underlying
> > disagreement is
> > unfortunate for both.
> >
> > Humanistic religion sees God as an idealized state for humanity to
> > struggle
> > towards; Revolution is about the struggle for an idealized state. God
> > is
> > within each follower and allows each individual to reach their
> > greatest
> > potential in Religion; just substitute "revolution" with "god" and you
> > get
> > the same thing. The key difference, from what I see, is that I see far
> > more
> > happy religious people than happy revolutionaries. Revolutionaries
> > fall so
> > quickly into totalitarianism; it is hard to turn down the power over
> > others
> > that comes with equating oneself with a state of righteousness, be it
> > political or spiritual.
> >
> > Situatationists, Dadaists, and your beloved Conceptual artists; at
> > their
> > best, take the ideas that Fromm took as well- that the evidence of
> > liberation is in spontaneity; which is a different realization from
> > much of
> > religion, though much-abused Zen thought lends itself towards
> > understanding
> > enlightenment as spontaneity as well. Have you read Meister Eckhart?
> > He's a
> > Christian Mystic from the 13th century, and a lot of the translations
> > I have
> > of him are decidedly Marxist. Here's his poem, written here in prose
> > form to
> > emphasize its Marxist nature:
> >
> > "Commerce is supported by keeping the individual at odds with himself
> > and
> > others, by making us want more than we need, and offering credit to
> > buy what
> > refined senses do not want. The masses become shackled, I see how
> > their eyes
> > weep and are desperate- of course they feel desperate- for some remedy
> > that
> > a poor soul feels needs to be bought. I find nothing more offensive
> > than a
> > god who would condemn human instincts in us that time in all its
> > wonder have
> > made perfect. I find nothing more destructive to the well being of
> > life than
> > to support a god who makes you feel unworthy and in debt to it. I
> > imagine
> > erecting churches to such a strange god will assure the endless wars
> > that
> > commerce loves."
> >
> > It strikes me as interesting that anyone with religious views would
> > hold
> > such a strong disregard to conceptual art, when I have always seen it
> > as an
> > extension of religion. I get in trouble for using the word "mysticism"
> > in a
> > secular way now and then, so maybe my pov hasn't allowed me to see how
> > someone who is *truly* religious could find it offensive. Do you think
> > conceptual art is challenging the position of actual faith in God? (I
> > mean
> > this in all sincerity- it has always been my understanding that
> > conceptual
> > art ala Cage, Beuys, Tzara and Duchamp is all about mysticism- I know
> > Cage
> > and Tzara say it pretty explicitly.)
> >
> > -e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "curt cloninger" <curt@lab404.com>
> > To: <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:05 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No Web Art in
> > the
> > Whitney Biennial?
> >
> >
> > > Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> > >
> > > > All marxism at bottom asserts is that ideas don't come
> > > > from nowhere but arise out of how we reproduce
> > > > ourselves and the necessities of life - food,
> > > > clothing, shelter.
> > > > I'm not trying to fluffify it here - the consequences
> > > > of these ideas are far reaching, but the ideas
> > > > themselves are pretty straightforward.
> > > > It's indubitably the case that without the things
> > > > above listed then
> > > > "love and intimacy and thanksgiving and
> > > > creativity and celebration and barbaric yawpin'"
> > > > which I too value in all their glorious human
> > > > particularity and enormously varied manifestations
> > > > throughout history, would not occur.
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > I'm not so sure that's true. There is no denying that
> > reproduction,
> > food, clothing, and shelter are ever with us on this earth, but I
> > don't know
> > whether their persistent presence makes them the underlying (or even
> > prime)
> > cause for every other thing we do. I've always had two eyeballs in my
> > head,
> > but not all my actions derive from that fact.
> > >
> > > If a spiritual world exists, but I don't allow for its existence, I
> > will
> > wrongly attribute spiritual influences to material causes. If a
> > spiritual
> > world doesn't exist, but I believe one does, I will wrongly attribute
> > material influences to spiritual causes.
> > >
> > > I believe a spiritual world exists.
> > >
> > > local mileage may vary,
> > > curt
> > > +
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> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> >
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> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>