erik sanner
Since 2007
Works in New York, New York United States of America

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spring planting - 2009 proposal


this sounds very "judson." what i really want to do is make "paintings" - i mean the art which has always been with us since pre-human times, in caves, then in pompei, in midtown manhattan apartments - but i don't want to make "paintings" because we grew up in an age of film and television and now we have this amazing typing-each-other-at-night and so on - so, anyway, it's a "painting" of a "garden" which is also a garden - and the only connections are the gardeners, the seeds, the actual physical nature of the plants . . . i don't think i want to get into irrigation concepts and where the seeds come from - but it something to think about - it just sounds like it comes more from "judson" than from "erik" - maybe we can talk about this more -

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spring planting - 2009 proposal


hey judson, have been thinking about this a little bit. lack of resources is just one more constraint - all those binds come together to define what you're doing as art. no point in painting an ocean if you can just create an actual ocean right? paradoxically, limits provide us with opportunity. so, maybe that's an "optimistic" way of looking at what we're doing right now - finding hospitable habitat for artmaking, one of scarcity rather than abundance, one where we have to do what we can with what is available.

there's one thing i actually enjoy about the being-forced-to-think-through-the-proposal step, instead of just starting on a project. it makes you stop and say "is this really want i want to do? what if i don't get the [grant or whatever], am i still going to want to do it? is there something i want to do more? is there value in this to me? to other people? to the borg, when we become the borg?" that kind of thinking can end up filling you with conviction that whatever the project is, no matter how ambitious or obscure or trivial or ridiculous or whatever it might seem, it's exactly what you want to be doing. since we can't do everything all at once all the time, that's a super-valuable belief to have, that you're making the art you want to be making.

another easy way to deal with making proposals as opposed to actual work - we both know everything changes. it might be possible for artists to behave like civil engineers and make everything to some kind of original specifications - but i can't see either of us doing that.

despite thinking about it, i still haven't refined my proposal. i decided to some time working on another project:
http://www.eriksanner.com/2008_for_blog/080327_color_study_v5.pdf
http://eriksanner.blogspot.com/2008/03/blue-and-yellow.html

and may focus tomorrow and friday on making the spring planting proposal clearer. was a bit conflicted because some people gave advice (like you) either "make it gorgeous" or "i don't get this" - but other people, including two artworld professionals who sit on panels and things, said "keep it just the way it is, don't change a thing, i look at this stuff all the time and it was very easy to read and i would want to fund you." so there was some reinforcement to my inclination not to change anything. anyway, will try to make it better. probably won't gorgeousify, but hopefully will communicate lucidly.

today finally did get the spring planting webpage-way-to-submit-the-application up:
http://www.eriksanner.com/applications/spring_planting_rh.html

i always get nervous before deadlines. what is it, sixty-something hours? maybe i'll grow out of that eventually?

hope yours is going well.

- erik

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spring planting - 2009 proposal


okey-dokey, recurring theme, make it look better.

had thought of doing a proof-of-concept mockup, but was hoping to spread a lot of the work over a year or so.

one issue is that i don't like knowing what something will look like before i make the piece. i want it to look like something i've never seen before, so if i press to hard on showing what-it-will-look-like, the explorative aspect, which is crucial to why i want to make any art in the first place, can get lost a little bit. i end up feeling more like a daylaborer or technician instead of staying creative as the work evolves.

another thing i'm wrestling with a little bit is that i really want people to experience the piece as a large scale installation, in a big indoor space. one will be able to have a way of interacting and viewing spring planting online, but i hope people will be able to make it to a physical location and encounter it there.

anyway, will try to get something more visually stimulating ready over the next few days, even if it's bogus-simulation-not-actively-functional.

whatever i think it's going to look like, it probably won't look like that. so i'll go head and try to make it look like something, something that i think it might actually end up looking like, without saying all i have to say.

thanks, manik.

- erik

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spring planting - 2009 proposal


hey judson,

this is really helpful and i really appreciate the thought you put into it.

i can see that my proposal isn't that clear yet because yes, i am talking about using real plants, not algorithms, as you suggest. i was trying to do simple sketches but maybe that just ended up being more confusing than clarifying.

and i'll try to put an accessible end-state summary (with a super-cool really compelling graphic) right up front, too.

thanks a lot.

- erik

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spring planting - 2009 proposal


planning to apply for a 2009 commission, hope you'll look at my proposal and let me know what you think.

http://www.eriksanner.com/2008_for_blog/080322_spring_planting.pdf

would appreciate any questions/comments/suggestions. will try to respond clearly. thanks a lot.

- erik