David Goldschmidt
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DISCUSSION

little help - request for old and new net.art


hey all-

looking for any and all net.art that uses images, video and/or music from p=
opculture (movies, logos, news clips, commercials, songs, etc.). looking f=
or net.art that "samples" popular culture.

please send me then links

thanks,

david goldschmidt
www.mediatrips.com

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: usability question: ranking commissions proposals


i see your point. not sure i wholly agree but it's reasonable. in my
opinion, one of rhizome's primary responsibilities is to "sell" net.art ...
to present net.art to the larger mainstream audience. the best way to this
is to push/highlight/market/advertise/present the best net.artists and
net.art. every piecce that's in the artbase has merit but there are some
that rise above the others. these are the ones that should get presented
and advertised. in fact, they should be made available in the free section
of the Rhizome website. let people see the best of what net.art has to
offer.

more than the TOP FIVE concept ... i am very interested in viewing net.art
in a historical context. if the TOP FIVE idea is a bust then maybe Rhizome
could add a third "category" for accessing the artbase: 1) alphabetical 2)
by artist and 3) Time (that is, when the werk was admitted to the artbase)

just a few thoughts.

best

david goldschmidt
www.mediatrips.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Francis Hwang" <francis@rhizome.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:45 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: usability question: ranking commissions
proposals

> David,
>
> I hadn't thought of this idea for the ArtBase. Mostly I've been focusing
on the more immediate question of the commissions process. It might work,
but then again you're dealing with different sorts of content. Commissions
proposals are limited in number: Each time 'round there's a specific window
of time where you can submit your entry and then the ( jury | Rhizome
Community | Trilateral Commission ) decides which entries get awarded the
commissions. The ArtBase is more like a non-stop stream of art, so ranking
the best (even by breaking it up into time periods) might be less useful.
>
> Also, I personally don't care much for big popularity contests unless
they're really necessary. In the case of commissions it's necessary since,
for one thing, not everybody can get the award money. In the case of ArtBase
I have to say I don't particularly care what the entire Rhizome community
thinks are the best net artworks ever. I care about individuals. I might
care about what David Goldschmidt, or Curt Cloninger, or T. Whid, thinks,
but I'm not so interested in having everybody vote and all that individual
opinion getting watered down in a voting systems. You could say I'm the sort
of person who'd rather read ten film reviews than watch one awards show.
>
> Anyway, I do agree with you that the ArtBase isn't nearly as accessible as
it could be. Changing that is fairly high on our list of priorities.
>
> F.
>
>
>
> David Goldschmidt wrote:
>
> > are you going to use this same system for ranking the "TOP FIVE"
> > favorites
> > of the rhizome artbase? in other words, give rhizomers a chance to
> > rank
> > their top-five favorite net.art pieces submitted to the rhizome art
> > base
> > from jan-98 to march-98, april-98 to june-98, et cetera??????????
> >
> > of course, whatever you do ... don't call it a "contest". just call
> > it a
> > ranking system.
> >
> > "voting contests" are impure and will sully our pure artistic
> > community
> >
> > "ranking systems", i guess, are just fine.
> >
> > f_ucking semantics
> >
> > meanwhile the rhizome artbase remains [practically] inaccesible.
> >
> >
> > davidf goldschmidt
> >
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>

DISCUSSION

Re: usability question: ranking commissions proposals


are you going to use this same system for ranking the "TOP FIVE" favorites
of the rhizome artbase? in other words, give rhizomers a chance to rank
their top-five favorite net.art pieces submitted to the rhizome art base
from jan-98 to march-98, april-98 to june-98, et cetera??????????

of course, whatever you do ... don't call it a "contest". just call it a
ranking system.

"voting contests" are impure and will sully our pure artistic community

"ranking systems", i guess, are just fine.

f_ucking semantics

meanwhile the rhizome artbase remains [practically] inaccesible.

davidf goldschmidt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Francis Hwang" <francis@rhizome.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: usability question: ranking commissions proposals

> So in the final stage of the Rhizome Commissions, users are asked to rank
a group of ~25 proposals from most favorite to least favorite. What's the
best way to do that with a web form? The quick-and-sloppy way to do it is
with a bunch of drop-downs, but then it's easy for the user to rank two
proposals as 3rd place, which isn't an answer that the system can use.
>
> Has anybody seen a web form that solved this problem well?
>
> Thanks,
> Francis
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>

DISCUSSION

audio directs the video experience


some net.artists try to hide the audio loop but i think the loop should end=
[dramatically/obviously] ... and its "ending" should be an intuitive guide=
for the viewer to move to the next artistic event. to click ... to move o=
n ...

david goldschmidt

DISCUSSION

visiting L.A.


can anyone offer a few ideas on where to stay ... which part of town? wher=
e might i find a few of my fellow net.art enthusiasts? galleries? events?

david goldschmidt
www.mediatrips.com
www.personify.tv