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Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq


On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Ivan Pope wrote:

> Your words sound interesting, but where do they get us? Language is surely
> neutral in that language has no agenda of its own.

Actually, it does. Very much so.

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Re: Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution (fwd)


Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:58:37 -0500
From: Liza Sabater <liza@culturekitchen.com>
To: t.whid <twhid@mteww.com>, list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution

Hi Tim,

Through Ebay. I won an auction for some software but it was all a scam.
Other people on similar auctions got completely ripped off --the
assholes ran away with more than $2K of auction money from different
people because somehow they made it so that Paypal would not accept
none of our credit cards and would force people into opening accounts
that had to be tied to brick and mortar bank accounts. It would not
shock me if this was done by people working for Paypal (not necessarily
within Paypal).

.PayPal encourages eBay sellers to set up their accounts to accept
payments "exclusively" from PayPal in order to receive certain
services from them. Perhaps this is relevant (rather someone is
using an exploit vs. employee conspiracies).

.The system also has a number of exploits visible. People who do
actual security for high-end business are a. expensive
b. aware of exactly
how holey this
'secure' online is.

.However revealing such information to customers would not do well
for online business. Particularly in the current slump.

.One day humans will learn that exploiting weaknesses for short-term
delusional gains errodes themselves + those incapable of self-
protection.

But we are not holding our breath.
Nor taking any contemporary-Boddhisattva vows.

La folie d'enfer is seemingly neverending.

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Re: FLUXLIST: Re: New subscription process not nice


On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Bertrand Clavez wrote:

> a) I've already written what I thought about s/him, so one cannot say I
> wanted s/him on the list considering contents,

You have no capacity to think.
Nor to 'read' our contents.

> tone

Nor do you have capacity to discern 'tone' and certainly
not over vast networks. Esecially since there was NO TONE
in your direction at all and whatsoever. NO SIGNAL.

What you hallucinate is your own problema.

> and repetitivness of s/his posts.

Repetitiveness does not exist.
It is a mechanical age Western Brain disease.
A failure on YOUR behalf.

> b)Even for fun, I thnik Allen never,
You cannot think.

> at any moment, deserved such kind of jokes

There were no jokes.
We are 1001% serious.

However it is far easier to mechanically knee-jerk +
murder.

Yes, Allen Bukoff + FLUXLIST do deserve_ what has been
written about them. We are sure you dislike the disparity
between what you fantasize you are, and what you are.

For a list supposedly involved in dada + zen influenced
art, you fail to do anyting besides cheap fetishism and
weak mimicry of what FLUXUS was.

To make matters even worse, now you are whining.

Poor you, who dont deserve such 'jokes'--meanwhile
the poor yous turning others work into a piss poor joke,
(ab)using what has been done to indulge your self-importance,
masochism, commodification / fetishism cheap tastes,
obscuring the SIGNAL in the process and destructively
detonating and closing with debris pathways opened with
actual EFFORT, meanwhile wallowing in your shit and fancying
yourselves 'elite' 'creative' 'intelligent' etc.

Go ahead, pull that veil (+pillow) over your head.

And while youre at it, send me your mailing address.
Ill send you a heavy dose of your self-hypnotic drug
of choice in chocolate, expensive liqeur of your choice,
and flowers.

Or maybe just a nice vial of valium and a handful of violets.

It'll do wonders for the self-pity masquerading behind
this behavior.

Sincerely,
Otto Maria von Karlsbaaden

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: One Day Left


On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

> As of late, I've been posting my better texts to other lists instead of
> this one- syndicate, empyre, and thingist- to gauge a response to them,
> and the end result has been similar- there is more discussion of new
> media on syndicate than there is on rhizome, which has turned into the
> navel-gazing cafeteria for defensive psycholanalysis- and it's not just
> Karei, it's the entire list- recently there has been an upsurge in meaty

Actually Eryk, there are no 'defensive psychoanalysts' here besides you.
Do us a favor and avoid slapping your own myopic prejudices onto
things you dont understand. We know it's tough.
It's far easier to slapstick label in a dictatorial fashion,
and when the other side doesn't play along to claim defensiveness.
Your level of intelligence is that observed in a kindergarten
sandbox, particularly if not allowed to throw sand in other kids
eyes, you will engage bully behavior.

Unimpressive one bit.

> dialogue, but I don't have a lot of faith in it staying that way.

As if. The 'judge' of new media 'dialogue'.
One never gives up the careerism, does one.
A primary interest.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

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Re: FLUXLIST: Re: New subscription process not nice


On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Kathy Forer wrote:

> I got a reaaally long one. More than one. And I never read them in the
> first place....

False posturing. Why do you feel the need to advertise
your not caring, love?

> No more from me. You win. or lose, whatever. I don't care.

Apathie + vanity. Oh la la.
We were going ti ask for your address
to send you roses + chokolate refined KULTUR.
But we guess youre not caring.

> My first instinct on this was it was that Genius 2000 twit. Now I'm
> sure it is, or at least a cult-buddy.

What a precise guess this is.
In fact, are you SURE I am not Max Herman himself.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42