atomic elroy
Since 2003
Works in Colorado Springs, Colorado United States of America

BIO
Atomic Elroy is a time based media artist working in video installation and performance, and a combination of all three. Elroy considers himself an Art Humorist using a self mocking approach to all artistic values and standards. Never quite knowing if he is involved in self parody, or just frustrated with the art worlds pedantic nature, he always goes for the humor
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Re: Re: MTAA-RR [ news/twhid/duchamp_s_fountain_most_influential.html ]


I agree with t.whid and the "500 arts figures". The Fountain is the MOST INFLUENTIAL work of the 20th century. It INFLUENCED and effected all art subsequently. It is not the best crafted, or best executed, not even the most clever, but indeed the MOST INFLUENTIAL!

cheers!
AE04
atomicelroy.com

t.whid wrote:

>
> On Dec 1, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Plasma Studii wrote:
>
> >> http://www.mteww.com/mtaaRR/news/twhid/
> >> duchamp_s_fountain_most_influential.html
> > (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041201/
> > ap_on_fe_st/urinal_art)
> >
> > twhid (and rhizomers), what's your take?
> >
> >
> > probably i just don't get this, but why would anyone buy the
> fountain
> > gag? not only do people pretty commonly call it "art" (who cares)
> but
> > think it means something important in art history. what??? how
> else
> > could anyone possibly say "get real", if not hand them a toilet as a
>
> > snub.
> >
> > the urinal is everybody's fav. mine too. but because it's so
> clearly
> > NOT art. never was.
>
> Duchamp definitely meant it as art. You really need to remember the
> context. Duchamp along with a few others was organizing a show of
> modern art in NYC. Probably the first. Their mission was to allow
> everything submitted into the show. Well, to be exceptional in a show
>
> where everything is accepted you need to be rejected and that's what
> he
> set out to do (and why it was submitted under the name R.Mutt).
>
>
> > duchamp was pulling folks leg if he ever said otherwise. it's as
> > astonishing as bush getting re-elected, that so many people (as this
>
> > blurb suggests) were gullable enough to honestly buy such an
> absurdly
> > huge farce.
>
> He was, but pulling a leg can be just as serious and relevant as
> anything else.
>
> > it's the biggest joke to the pretentious art world ever, but that
> > doesn't make it "art" itself. a snub on the arty types that take
> > themselves so ridiculously serious, they would even hang a toilet in
>
> > their gallery. the whole "ready-made" idea is such an obvious
> farce.
> > it's like nobody noticed what the thing really was because of some
> > label/buzz word. totally works on the phenomenon of intellectuals
>
> > whose concepts representing life are obscuring real life. they
> won't
> > even notice. duchamp was essentially saying "here's a toilet. not
>
> > even a sculpture i made of one. but wanna take it seriously?" and
> > people couched it in theoretical art speak.
>
> It took a long time for artists to understand Duchmamp and it seems
> that some still don't. It doesn't matter really what the physical
> manifestation behind the ideas of the Fountain is -- it's the ideas
> that are important. The Fountain and Duchamp's other readymades
> destroyed form and laid the groundwork for conceptualism and it's many
>
> offspring. Duchamp is THE watershed artist of the 20th century, not
> Picasso, not Matisse.
>
> Why? Picasso and Matisse, tho very ingenious at creating new ways to
> make pictures, didn't really abandon the old ideas of picture plane,
> composition, color: the formal elements of art (this thread in art was
>
> carried on from Miro thru to the Ab-Ex painters and 'dying' with
> minimalists). The great early and mid century painters and sculptures
>
> just took those ideas and created new ways to make pictures with them.
>
> Duchamp rethought the entire nature of art and with the readymade
> freed
> it from physical form.
>
> No matter your opinion of conceptualism, you can't say it hasn't had
> the largest impact on art of any other art movement or theory in the
> last part of the century. It's hardly arguable that Duchamp and his
> readymades are the grandfathers of conceptualism. So it's not
> irrational to claim his most iconic work as the most influential art
> work in the 20th century.
>
> >
> > anyone down-to-earth, in touch, not stuck in their philosophical
> dream
> > world, would just say "are you kidding?
>
> that's what they said at first.
>
> > i don't want your toilet.
>
> absolutely, it was rejected from the exhibition.
>
> > i'm not that stupid." it's just an insult.
>
> The original organizers took it that way, that's why it was rejected.
>
> Why can't an insult be great art?
>
> He was quoted as saying, 'I throw a urinal in their face and they call
>
> it art.'
>
> > anyone who makes excuses for it as some kind of ART, is just
> sticking
> > a "kick me" sign on their own butt and laughing. it's like the
> nerdy
> > picked on kid, trying so hard to be liked, he actually forces a
> laugh,
> > so he can laugh with the bullies picking on him. "huh huh huh.
> look
> > guys. looky."
> >
> > we could EITHER say "art" has no value/importance, folks stop
> > collecting, investors and foundations close shop OR pretend chosen
> > urinals have some enhanced value/importance. and since nobody
> wanted
> > to close shop, they decided to pee on their glossy hard-wood floors
>
> > and smile.
>
> That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. For folks to close up shop
>
> they would need to say 'art has no value,' so instead they choose to
> value the Fountain... why didn't they just reject the Fountain as bad
>
> art and go merrily along selling their Picassos?
>
> Because it couldn't be rejected. It's ideas, it's criticism of the art
>
> establishment, and it's role in shaping how people view art couldn't
> be
> denied.
>
> The simple fact that an artist could create a situation that almost 90
>
> years later still causes argument after argument is a testament to
> it's
> genius IMO.
>
>
> ===
> <twhid>http://www.mteww.com</twhid>
> ===
>
>

DISCUSSION

USA's turkey day


A young man named John received a parrot as a gift.  The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabulary. Every word out of the bird's mouth was rude, obnoxious and laced with profanity.  John tried and tried to change the bird's attitude by consistently saying only polite words, playing soft music and anything else he could think of to "clean up" the bird's vocabulary.
     Finally, John was fed up and he yelled at the parrot. The parrot yelled back.  John shook the parrot and the parrot got even angrier and even ruder!  John, in desperation, threw up his hands, grabbed the bird and put him in the freezer.  For a few minutes the parrot squawked and kicked and screamed.  Then suddenly there was total quiet........not a peep was heard for over a minute.
      Fearing that he'd hurt the parrot John quickly opened the door to the freezer.  The parrot calmly stepped out onto John's outstretched arm and said, "I believe I may have offended you with my rude language and actions. I'm sincerely remorseful for my inappropriate transgressions and I fully intend to do everything I can to correct my rude and unforgivable behavior."
      John was stunned at the change in the bird's attitude.  As he was about to ask the parrot what had made such a dramatic change in his behavior, the bird continued, 
           "May I ask what the turkey did?"

AE04
atomicelroy.com

DISCUSSION

Re: is it 1984?


what fries my ass about this is how most people don't care!

AE04
atomicelroy.com

DISCUSSION

from a friend from the UK


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>>
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>>
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>>Thank you for your cooperation.
>