As I recall, we had a discussion a few months back that suggested several
solutions, not the worst of which was that the list begin to be moderated in
some way, shape, or form. Perhaps split into two which, for those who enjoy
spending their days hunting for diamonds in the rough, could be funneled into a
larger RAW, or for those who feel stifled, a wheat from chaff type service. In
the end, the "I like my status quo just the way it is, thanks" group seems to
have spoken loudest, and, I believe, most finally, in more ways that one.
There was an article in the recent Wired about splogs. Read it, if you will.
It brought up the sad, sad death of Usenet, among other things, and intimated
that the Internet itself is well on its way to the same end, unless a new method
of detecting the crap from the cream can be identified **not by users, who
already have no trouble at all doing that, but by the search companies that
index the web and thus hand users links to what they are
looking for.*** Consider that well. A user may have all the discernment in the
world, easily able to identify garbage from gems, but if they have little to no
way to FIND the gems other than by sheer brute force, time, and stubborness,
what good does the discernment do them? Absolutely none at all.
Rhizome finds itself in the same predicament - how can I build a personal spam
filter for the list when the spam is so closely targeted to what happens on the
list? I can't filter things that have the words gallery, or am/pm, or Friday in
them. Those are all words that are perfectly likely to appear in a real
discussion on this list. I can't filter out something that has a URL - sending
good links is a perfectly normal discussion event. I can't filter out
"opening" or "my latest project." I can't filter out anything spammy at all,
except perhaps standard
repeats that come every week (ie something that has the term "toegristle #" in
the subject.) (If any of you cleverer than I have developed such killer
filters, now would be a good time to jump in and save the list.) Given that
users are not able to roll their own solution, Rhizome itself has to step in
and provide a means. But if we keep living like it is 1999 and this problem
doesn't exist, well, I'm sorry but we're just screwed.
Now, I suppose my opinion doesn't matter much right now, because I've quite
firmly decided that my New Year's Resolution is to have nothing else to do with
Rhizome pretty much ever, but somehow this decision does actually make me sad,
and I can't help but try to give it one last stab for another week before I go.
It really just does seem a passing of a greater era, whether you believe I could
possibly experience this sentiment or not. To that end, yeah, I have to cry
out just a little before it's over. Why let Rhizome die with nothing but a
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 firstname.lastname@example.org
::Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:09:14 -0500 (EST)
::To: Alexis Turner <email@example.com
::Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The way of the net. And art. And business.
::> I'd rather get jumped by a single ugly chick than none at all, but that
::> doesn't mean I want a dog-pile of ugliness on Alexis. After about the
::> girl at once, I'd smother to death.
::well breathing is important, it always will be.
::but your physical state is off topic, but it sounds OK, but really you've
::bent the meaning in a funny way.
::I could say that I like chocolate more than ginger, but it's not pertinent
::to the argument.., but it's still true.
::> Likewise, a single retard is harmless and probably preferable to nothing.
::well, your an American, and your president is ... Bush???
::so I can blame you. It dooesn't matter if you voted for him or not. Guilt
::by association stands true. You must also be a Bush.
::> there is no flood control on the net. Eventually, it is the size of the
::> deluge of adverts and other useless nonsense that causes the meaningful
::> discourse you seek to drown, suffocated under sheer bulk. Too much of a
::> thing, perhaps.
::still, nothing here helps to create a commons for discourse. Great
::complaints and wonderous cynicism still avoids answering the problem which
::actually requires some thought.
::Get back to us when you can address the issue without malformed metaphors
::and out of context similes.
::Like any essay, an argument need form.
::> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Pall Thayer wrote:
::> ::Well, I'll take a two-bit (shouldn't that be eight bits?) retard's
::> drivel over
::> ::nothing at all any day. At least it has the potential to generate more
::> ::meaningful discourse.
::> ::Pall Thayer
::> ::On 22-Dec-06, at 2:17 PM, Alexis Turner wrote:
::> ::> Well, isn't lack of discussion the way of the net in general, not just
::> ::> Quantity over quality - it's not about having something interesting to
::> ::> it's about empowering any two-bit retard to say whatever pathetic
::> ::> they can crank out, and as long as it goes to as many people as
::> ::> it's successful. Spam, blogs, wikis, youtube. Congratulations. Web
::> 2.0 is
::> ::> all the same in its infinite mediocrity and incessant noise, but
::> ::> amen I think 30,000 people just heard me say that, and isn't THAT the
::> ::> importance of networking, after all? It's not what you know, it's who
::> ::> how loud.
::> ::> Networking and nepotism for dummies. The way of the world.
::> ::> -Alexis
::> ::> <blink><font size="100000000">redheadedstepchild.org</font></blink>
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