what bad taste?

I am amazed that they were ever proposed in the first place. What state is
going to let two crazy mixed up artists loose as official War Artists.
At the same time, I think that their attack on McQueen is in incredibly poor
taste. So they didn't get selected, so they attack the artist who did.
Ho, hum. Storm in teacup as usual.
Cheers,
Ivan

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From: "ruth catlow" <[email protected]>
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Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: what bad taste?


> The Chapman Brothers have been dropped as Britain's official artists in
> Iraq over questions of bad taste. They raise some very pertinent issues
> in this article.
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?storyB2111
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from an American perspective, the simple fact that you Brits have a
war artist at all is simply amazing. is there such a thing in the US?
I doubt it, and if there were I'm sure we wouldn't consider anyone as
interesting as or as potentially controversial as the chapmans.

we'd have some boring nobody who works good in bronze so as to get
the full amount of *glory* out of Bush's bullshit war.



At 13:40 +0100 7/8/03, ruth catlow wrote:
>The Chapman Brothers have been dropped as Britain's official artists in
>Iraq over questions of bad taste. They raise some very pertinent issues
>in this article.
>
>http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?storyB2111
>
>ruth
>http://www.furtherfield.org
>

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At 7:21 +0100 7/8/03, Ivan Pope wrote:
>> from an American perspective, the simple fact that you Brits have a
>> war artist at all is simply amazing. is there such a thing in the US?
>> I doubt it, and if there were I'm sure we wouldn't consider anyone as
>> interesting as or as potentially controversial as the chapmans.
>>
>> we'd have some boring nobody who works good in bronze so as to get
>> the full amount of *glory* out of Bush's bullshit war.
>
>And I have to add that the artist actually chosen, Steve McQueen, is no
>bullshit bronzist, but a damn fine artist.


wasn't meaning to imply that McQueen sucks. I think I've only seen
one of his videos at a show last year at PS1 (contemporary art museum
in Queens, NYC) at this exhibition Video Acts
http://www.ps1.org/cut/press/video.html

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> from an American perspective, the simple fact that you Brits have a
> war artist at all is simply amazing. is there such a thing in the US?

Fox News?

Hi Ivan

re:
their attack on McQueen is in incredibly poor taste

They were selected and then vetoed which is usually regarded as an excuse for a
moan.
I share their disappointment. Though I wouldn't have risked being so impolite,
in case it was misinterpreted as sour grapes ;-)

I was surprised that they got as far as they did, a rare match of crazies-
artists and warlords alike.
Now I will have to imagine what the results would have been.

cheers

Ruth



Ivan Pope wrote:

> I am amazed that they were ever proposed in the first place. What state is
> going to let two crazy mixed up artists loose as official War Artists.
> At the same time, I think that their attack on McQueen is in incredibly poor
> taste. So they didn't get selected, so they attack the artist who did.
> Ho, hum. Storm in teacup as usual.
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
> –
> Ivan Pope
> [email protected]
> www.ivanpope.com
> www.tochki-inc.com
>
> "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
> Hunter S. Thompson
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "ruth catlow" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:40 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: what bad taste?
>
> > The Chapman Brothers have been dropped as Britain's official artists in
> > Iraq over questions of bad taste. They raise some very pertinent issues
> > in this article.
> >
> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?storyB2111
> >
> > ruth
> > http://www.furtherfield.org
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Absolutely, Ruth.
I'm not a great Chapman brothers fan but this is quite
clearly a bit of political censorship at the same time
as the govt tries to do an
East-Europe-before-the-wall-came-down on the Beeb (
who weren't, lets face it, exactly anti war) and as
Tony bLIAR looks daily more & more Pinnochio like .
SO.. on this one I'm a 100% with the Chapman brothers
and frankly shame on Steve McQueen if he takes the
job.
Do the selection committee have an e mail ? We should
at least send letters of protest & encourage others to
do so.
best
michael

— ruth catlow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Ivan
>
> re:
> their attack on McQueen is in incredibly poor taste
>
> They were selected and then vetoed which is usually
> regarded as an excuse for a
> moan.
> I share their disappointment. Though I wouldn't have
> risked being so impolite,
> in case it was misinterpreted as sour grapes ;-)
>
> I was surprised that they got as far as they did, a
> rare match of crazies-
> artists and warlords alike.
> Now I will have to imagine what the results would
> have been.
>
> cheers
>
> Ruth
>
>
>
> Ivan Pope wrote:
>
> > I am amazed that they were ever proposed in the
> first place. What state is
> > going to let two crazy mixed up artists loose as
> official War Artists.
> > At the same time, I think that their attack on
> McQueen is in incredibly poor
> > taste. So they didn't get selected, so they attack
> the artist who did.
> > Ho, hum. Storm in teacup as usual.
> > Cheers,
> > Ivan
> >
> > –
> > Ivan Pope
> > [email protected]
> > www.ivanpope.com
> > www.tochki-inc.com
> >
> > "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed
> overcomes the fear of death"
> > Hunter S. Thompson
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "ruth catlow" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:40 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: what bad taste?
> >
> > > The Chapman Brothers have been dropped as
> Britain's official artists in
> > > Iraq over questions of bad taste. They raise
> some very pertinent issues
> > > in this article.
> > >
> > >
>
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?storyB2111
> > >
> > > ruth
> > > http://www.furtherfield.org
> > >
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