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Comments

, Rhizomer

Hereafter the new answer I'm getting from rachel greene? regarding the
previous message I sent to mark regarding his statement in new langton art
center in San Francisco "day jobs" exhibition where he's defining his art
work as a social sculpture through the rhizome.org project …

here the link to it:
http://www.newlangtonarts.org/view_event.php?category=Network&archive=&&even
tId5

just regarding this:
"Mark TribeProjects

Day: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
Night: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
Mark Tribe's art work featured in this exhibition can be seen as performance
as much as media art. Rhizome.org is an online community that Mark describes
as "social sculpture" in the tradition of Bueys. Here, product is not as
important as process, though it would be a disservice to abstract
Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it has had
a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and offers
many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual social
work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is exemplary
of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same
media. Since media is the built environment that we now live in full-time
(as opposed to a weekend leisure destination), artists find it possible to
move into the "main house" – sometimes without anyone noticing them sneak
in.

– Richard Rinehart"

I asked: if we answer by giving money to rhizome campaing who we are
sponsorizing ?
a non profit organization ? or a social sculpture by Mark Tribe ? ;-)))

as answer I'm getting this kind of message first from mark? and then rachel
?
so this anwser may be clear i don't need to comment, for sure this is not a
non profit organization answer regarding people who has already give money
in previous year …

so it is not possible to make clear this point … no comment
just one question what would we think ? who are the real person behind these
identities who are firing ?

anyway enjoy yourself rachel? and mark?, this year you didn't convinced me
to use my visa card on your website ! that's it

anyway rachel if you're looking for job, don't worry you will find one in
paris !

So good luck

the point I asked this question on one list and now I cann see this childish
reaction spreaded out over four list !!! great !!!
this is not me who's asking money and support, but before paying I used to
know where this money is going and for what kind of use …

So I just have one advice for all sponsors, be prudent about the finality of
this campaign : personnal promotion ? or real non profit organization ?

anyway I guess this fake answer from fake rachel and fake mark should reveal
something…

I'm still waiting for the whole truth from the real Mark !!!!!

Valery Grancher


rachel greene:

>er lee..valery..
>it's not i take you as bigest idiot in rhizome community the proof it's
mark who the first really
>believe he write this note. now he doesnt want to be less than 2 feet to
any computer, being sure
>he will write another one telling the whole truth… for the moment he is
locked up in the wc shouting
>he is sweaping right now his ass with rhizome grant… i know he is my boss
but yesterday
>he sweap himself with my credit card and in giving it back he says he is
shitting gold…
>valery have you a job for me in paris ? cause since napoleon bonaparte i
know the froggies are perfectly aware
>they are shitting only streaming and stinking shit at least…
>sincerly yours (vive la france !)
>Rachel Green

, Andrei Thomaz

valery grancher wrote:

>Hereafter the new answer I'm getting from rachel greene? regarding the
>previous message I sent to mark regarding his statement in new langton art
>center in San Francisco "day jobs" exhibition where he's defining his art
>work as a social sculpture through the rhizome.org project …
>
>here the link to it:
>http://www.newlangtonarts.org/view_event.php?category=Network&archive=&&even
>tId5
>
>just regarding this:
>"Mark TribeProjects
>
>Day: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
>Night: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
>Mark Tribe's art work featured in this exhibition can be seen as performance
>as much as media art. Rhizome.org is an online community that Mark describes
>as "social sculpture" in the tradition of Bueys. Here, product is not as
>important as process, though it would be a disservice to abstract
>Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it has had
>a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and offers
>many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual social
>work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is exemplary
>of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same
>media. Since media is the built environment that we now live in full-time
>(as opposed to a weekend leisure destination), artists find it possible to
>move into the "main house" – sometimes without anyone noticing them sneak
>in.
>
>– Richard Rinehart"
>
>I asked: if we answer by giving money to rhizome campaing who we are
>sponsorizing ?
>a non profit organization ? or a social sculpture by Mark Tribe ? ;-)))
>
>as answer I'm getting this kind of message first from mark? and then rachel
>?
>so this anwser may be clear i don't need to comment, for sure this is not a
>non profit organization answer regarding people who has already give money
>in previous year …
>
>so it is not possible to make clear this point … no comment
>just one question what would we think ? who are the real person behind these
>identities who are firing ?
>
>anyway enjoy yourself rachel? and mark?, this year you didn't convinced me
>to use my visa card on your website ! that's it
>
>anyway rachel if you're looking for job, don't worry you will find one in
>paris !
>
>So good luck
>
>the point I asked this question on one list and now I cann see this childish
>reaction spreaded out over four list !!! great !!!
>this is not me who's asking money and support, but before paying I used to
>know where this money is going and for what kind of use …
>
>So I just have one advice for all sponsors, be prudent about the finality of
>this campaign : personnal promotion ? or real non profit organization ?
>
>anyway I guess this fake answer from fake rachel and fake mark should reveal
>something…
>
>I'm still waiting for the whole truth from the real Mark !!!!!
>
>Valery Grancher
>
>
i just can't understand this discussion… it is boring, anyway.

Anyway, rhizome.org is an intervention in reality, being "social
sculpture" or a "real non profit organization", or whatever.

andrei

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"First of all you can't be subversive without being subversive to yourself, that's very important. You miss something crucial if you think subversion means to have clearly defined enemies and act against them. The enemy always is always you, too and in the first place."

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, D42 Kandinskij

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, andrei wrote:

> i just can't understand this discussion… it is boring, anyway.

You can't understand it, it must be boring?

> Anyway, rhizome.org is an intervention in reality,

Not really. No more than my coming over and cutting your arm off
would be an 'intervention in reality'.

I'm not sure why non-physical 'violence' is regarded as 'just fine.'
Is this supposed to be a list of at least informed_ new media
'personalities' and 'artists' or a vehicle for spreading of
ignorance and mistreatment with a yawn, a pose, and a fashionable blase
expression, meanwhile uttering robotic cultural propaganda like
a broken record?

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

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Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

> On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, andrei wrote:
>
> > i just can't understand this discussion… it is boring, anyway.
>
> You can't understand it, it must be boring?
>
> > Anyway, rhizome.org is an intervention in reality,
>
> Not really. No more than my coming over and cutting your arm off
> would be an 'intervention in reality'.
>
> I'm not sure why non-physical 'violence' is regarded as 'just fine.'
> Is this supposed to be a list of at least informed_ new media
> 'personalities' and 'artists' or a vehicle for spreading of
> ignorance and mistreatment with a yawn, a pose, and a fashionable blase
> expression, meanwhile uttering robotic cultural propaganda like
> a broken record?
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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