fee

this is a wonderful idea (similar to marc of furtherfield's skill swapping
proposal), and it might help us grow, but i'm afraid it wouldn't really
help us out of our bind. much of what we do couldn't really be sourced out
in that way. i'm thinking of administrative things like bookkeeping,
bill-paying and grant reporting, technical things like database
development, and more program-related things like coordinating the
superusers, organizing the commissioning program jury or defining artbase
submission proceedures. i know this sounds old-fashioned in an era of
flexible staffing and virtual workplaces, but some tasks really do require
the concentrated attention of someone who is committed over time, who knows
the organization's history and understands how all the various pieces fit
together. in order for a network of volunteers to really work, we would
need to pay someone to select, train and manage them. we currently have
five volunteers and interns. it's about all we can handle. in order to
maintain forward momentum and do things right, an organization needs a
small core staff. the fact of the matter is that we are already as
streamlined as we can get.

At 08:58 PM 10/29/2002 -0800, Vijay Pattisapu wrote:
>Instead of fees, assign us tasks according to our ability. We can all keep
>it alive while spending time instead of money…plus our input would go as
>a labor of love; we'd all play a part in the content and presentation of
>Rhizome, and thus the communitarian aspect would be more integral to this.
>
>Vijay
>
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There are two seperate strands to this. Yes ,excellent
if people help to raise cash for Rhizome, nice perhaps
if it's possible to supplement the activities of the
core staff ( and I think the superusers thing has been
really good) but personally I'm old fashioned enough
to think we should actually try and defend and
maintain people's jobs.( and as Mark correctly
observes most things simply get done better that way
too).
That's why ultimately I think a membership fee is the
answer.
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the rather
dismissive comments I've read here about the various
elements of Rhizome - there's a whiff of cynicism
about them - call me naive but I think the whole thing
is great.
I've enjoyed enormously the discussions on RAW as well
as regularly browsing through the artbase.Both are an
education.
Michael

<i know this sounds
old-fashioned in an era of
flexible staffing and virtual workplaces, but some
tasks really do require
the concentrated attention of someone who is
committed over time, who knows
the organization's history and understands how all
the various pieces fit
together. >

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I thought there was also a need for fixing the bugs in the programming.
I guess thats database programming.
Are you turning down the help?
Are you worried about granting access to the servers?

No offense to anyone on staff or the board, but are you sure that Rhizomes
primary needs are able to be fulfilled by the existing core group?
Couldn't you provide media kits to home office grant writers?

Organizing the commission program jury???????????
Sounds like a dinner party to me.
I'm sure all of there numbers are already in your cell-phone.
You seem very focused on this aspect of the new Rhizome. Why?

How much money is this commission program actually bringing into the
organization. Knowing how the New York Art World kinda functions. Whos back
is getting rubbed on this one. nudge, nudge, nudge

Defining Art-Base Submission procedures?????????
I thought Rhyzome was in a crisis here.
Is that system changing too.

it seems to me that you are looking for money not assistance with this
statement you wrote. Outside of cash maybe you should let us know what we
can do to help further the cause. I see a number of people looking for a way
to lend a hand.

Now I do want to help with the Rhizome Charity CD Project and am willing to
put in the time to help organize this. You have lead me to believe we are on
our own. Can you please define? So are you saying for us not to reference
Rhizome and if we sell some of them you would be happy to take the donated
money or can this project be branded out as a Rhizome Viewer/User
Compilation. Will we be able to get Rhizome Logo Graphics, etc?

Look forward to hearing from you.
Cheers
Lee




on 10/30/02 12:47 PM, Mark Tribe at [email protected] wrote:

> this is a wonderful idea (similar to marc of furtherfield's skill swapping
> proposal), and it might help us grow, but i'm afraid it wouldn't really
> help us out of our bind. much of what we do couldn't really be sourced out
> in that way. i'm thinking of administrative things like bookkeeping,
> bill-paying and grant reporting, technical things like database
> development, and more program-related things like coordinating the
> superusers, organizing the commissioning program jury or defining artbase
> submission proceedures. i know this sounds old-fashioned in an era of
> flexible staffing and virtual workplaces, but some tasks really do require
> the concentrated attention of someone who is committed over time, who knows
> the organization's history and understands how all the various pieces fit
> together. in order for a network of volunteers to really work, we would
> need to pay someone to select, train and manage them. we currently have
> five volunteers and interns. it's about all we can handle. in order to
> maintain forward momentum and do things right, an organization needs a
> small core staff. the fact of the matter is that we are already as
> streamlined as we can get.
>
> At 08:58 PM 10/29/2002 -0800, Vijay Pattisapu wrote:
>> Instead of fees, assign us tasks according to our ability. We can all keep
>> it alive while spending time instead of money…plus our input would go as
>> a labor of love; we'd all play a part in the content and presentation of
>> Rhizome, and thus the communitarian aspect would be more integral to this.
>>
>> Vijay
>>
>>
>>
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