Keep the discussion to art

Posted by Wayne Cosshall | Thu Oct 10th 2002 1 a.m.

Hey guys, I am not in favour of censorship of any kind, except for a bit of
self control. This morning I got up and there were about 48 RHIZOME posts,
only about 5 of which concerned new media art.

Now I
  • Jon Bedworth | Thu Oct 10th 2002 1 a.m.
    Hello list,

    In a message dated 10/10/2002 23:03:22 GMT Daylight Time, wayne@cosshall.com
    writes:

    > Could we keep the discussion on art. Sure some politics, in an art related
    > way makes sense, but take the rest elsewhere. Remember our email addresses
    > are on the posts, take it off the list if you want.

    Wayne, though I can understand your frustration I think this would be a real
    shame. Over a year ago i was thinking of unsubscribing to this list because
    of all the 'noise' as you put it. And then September 11th happened, and this
    list filled with the most interesting 'off topic' discussions. There were a
    lot of first-hand accounts of the aftermath, possibly because Rhizome is
    based in NY, and many people posted interesting articles and opinions. I
    remember in particular Joy Garnett's many posts at this time.

    So I stayed on the list and I am not even a 'net artist'. Even Death's posts
    can contain some interesting observations. In relation to 'art', shouldn't
    everything be potentially relevant? What kind of political discussion do you
    define as 'art related'? And is it not important that 'artists' feel they can
    share comment on things that are not necessarily strictly 'art'?

    Keep up the good work!

    Jon
  • STEVE DANZIG | Thu Oct 10th 2002 1 a.m.
    I have to agree with Wayne's sentiment - This is supposed to be a
    moderated list - but it seems anything can get thru. I think a
    general forum like the NYT's would be more appropriate. At least
    that way people who have joined this list are not subjected to the
    100 or so emails you end up deleting every freakin 30 mins.

    But then again who I am I to suggest such a thing!

    GIZNAD

    >
    >
    >Hey guys, I am not in favour of censorship of any kind, except for a
    >bit of self control. This morning I got up and there were about 48
    >RHIZOME posts, only about 5 of which concerned new media art.
    >
    >Now I've only been on the list about two weeks but the above
    >proportions of content to noise seems about consistent. I suspect a
    >lot of interesting people subscribe to the list, say awhile and then
    >drop out because the noise level is too high. These are often going
    >to be really interesting people who are more interested in making
    >art than making puerile personal attacks and political exchanges.
    >There are lists for both of those, I'm sure.
    >
    >Could we keep the discussion on art. Sure some politics, in an art
    >related way makes sense, but take the rest elsewhere. Remember our
    >email addresses are on the posts, take it off the list if you want.
    >
    >How about we show a bit of courtesy to all the members of the list,
    >and keep it relevant.
    >
    >Cheers,
    >
    >Wayne
    ><http://www.internationaldigitalart.com/startit.html>

    --
  • Max Herman | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    Thanks Wayne. What could be worse than artists discussing a huge fucking
    war? The state of the world and all. Artists should never discuss this war
    with each other! It should be prohibited! It's not content.

    In other words sign the fuck off if you don't like it. Rare will be to your
    taste buddy, 12-15 per day, all content-oriented. Ya bitch.

    >From: "Wayne J. Cosshall" <wayne@cosshall.com>
    >Reply-To: "Wayne J. Cosshall" <wayne@cosshall.com>
    >To: <list@rhizome.org>
    >Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: Keep the discussion to art
    >Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:59:36 +1000
    >
    >Hey guys, I am not in favour of censorship of any kind, except for a bit of
    >self control. This morning I got up and there were about 48 RHIZOME posts,
    >only about 5 of which concerned new media art.
    >
    >Now I
  • Max Herman | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    >From: steve danzig <giznad@ozemail.com.au>
    >Reply-To: steve danzig <giznad@ozemail.com.au>
    >To: list@rhizome.org
    >Subject: Fwd: RHIZOME_RAW: Keep the discussion to art
    >Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:09:19 +1000
    >
    >I have to agree with Wayne's sentiment - This is supposed to be a moderated
    >list

    Who ever said Raw is moderated? Rare's back in two days so go for that.
    All good in God's Holy Hood.

    - but it seems anything can get thru. I think a
    >general forum like the NYT's would be more appropriate.

    Yeah that would just be peachier than all hell. It would be so appropriate,
    good, and some other words.

    At least
    >that way people who have joined this list are not subjected to the 100 or
    >so emails you end up deleting every freakin 30 mins.

    Don't exaggerate. People are posting a lot because of this god damn war,
    dontcha get it Steve? Good grief. You want NYT, go to NYT.

    >
    >But then again who I am I to suggest such a thing!

    I don't know, a famous balanced genius? If so start your own web list and
    moderate it as you see fit. I wouldn't waste five seconds on this list if
    it was moderated. How long you been on?

    What did you expect,

    noalternative.com

    ++

    >
    >GIZNAD
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>Hey guys, I am not in favour of censorship of any kind, except for a bit
    >>of self control. This morning I got up and there were about 48 RHIZOME
    >>posts, only about 5 of which concerned new media art.
    >>
    >>Now I've only been on the list about two weeks

    Well there's the pooper ain't she.

    but the above
    >>proportions of content to noise seems about consistent. I suspect a lot of
    >>interesting people subscribe to the list, say awhile and then drop out
    >>because the noise level is too high.

    What color is the wind?

    These are often
    >>going to be really interesting people who are more interested in making
    >>art than making puerile personal attacks and political exchanges. There
    >>are lists for both of those, I'm sure.
    >>
    >>Could we keep the discussion on art. Sure some politics,

    What do you think this is, Red Lobster?

    in an art
    >>related way makes sense, but take the rest elsewhere. Remember our email
    >>addresses are on the posts, take it off the list if you want.
    >>
    >>How about we show a bit of courtesy to all the members of the list, and
    >>keep it relevant.

    Why is "A" the most powerful letter in the alphabet?

    >>
    >>Cheers,
    >>
    >>Wayne

    Because you can shove it up your ass.

    >><http://www.internationaldigitalart.com/startit.html>
    >
    >
    >--

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  • clement Thomas | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    Keep the discussion to art
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Wayne J. Cosshall
    To: list@rhizome.org
    Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:59 PM
    Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Keep the discussion to art

    Hey guys, I am not in favour of censorship of any kind, except for a bit =
    of self control. This morning I got up and there were about 48 RHIZOME post=
    s, only about 5 of which concerned new media art.

    that makes 43 posts of pure new media raw material ... use it.
  • D42 Kandinskij | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:

    > Hey guys, I am not in favour of censorship of any kind, except for a bit of
    > self control. This morning I got up and there were about 48 RHIZOME posts,
    > only about 5 of which concerned new media art.

    According to your opinion. Your opinion value = 0.
    How about you take a pill of your own advice about 'self-control'
    and quit attempting to 'direct' the list to your liking?

    > Now I
  • D42 Kandinskij | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, steve danzig wrote:

    > I have to agree with Wayne's sentiment - This is supposed to be a
    > moderated list - but it seems anything can get thru.

    Er?? This is supposed to be a moderated list?

    > I think a general forum like the NYT's would be more appropriate.

    You can't think. And you're not thinking. You're only knee-jerking
    in a control-freak manner because you're pissy about your mailbox.

    > At least that way people who have joined this list are not subjected

    Oh right. You are now 'people'.

    > to the 100 or so emails you

    People. You. Typical narcissitic infantile idiocy.
    Appropriating voices of others.

    > end up deleting every freakin 30 mins.

    I dunno. I don't end up deleting 100 mails every freakin 30 mins.
    talk about yourself.

    > But then again who I am I to suggest such a thing!

    Oh right! Throw in a pitch of faux-humility--you'll make yourself
    more victim-like and likable so people will feel sorry for ya--
    bla bla, pity extortion.

    Funny that someone so mentally, sexually and emotionally immature as
    you--which precludes creation of art consciously (though note I did not
    say one should give up trying necessarily)--attempts to 'dictate'.

    `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
  • STEVE DANZIG | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    GEEE that's TELLING me ...Karei

    OK I promise to do better next time ....I really do.... and if I
    don't, you just get in there and put me back in my place..... LSHICHB!

    >On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, steve danzig wrote:
    >
    >> I have to agree with Wayne's sentiment - This is supposed to be a
    >> moderated list - but it seems anything can get thru.
    >
    > Er?? This is supposed to be a moderated list?
    >
    >> I think a general forum like the NYT's would be more appropriate.
    >
    > You can't think. And you're not thinking. You're only knee-jerking
    > in a control-freak manner because you're pissy about your mailbox.
    >
    >> At least that way people who have joined this list are not subjected
    >
    > Oh right. You are now 'people'.
    >
    >> to the 100 or so emails you
    >
    > People. You. Typical narcissitic infantile idiocy.
    > Appropriating voices of others.
    >
    >> end up deleting every freakin 30 mins.
    >
    > I dunno. I don't end up deleting 100 mails every freakin 30 mins.
    > talk about yourself.
    >
    >> But then again who I am I to suggest such a thing!
    >
    > Oh right! Throw in a pitch of faux-humility--you'll make yourself
    > more victim-like and likable so people will feel sorry for ya--
    > bla bla, pity extortion.
    >
    > Funny that someone so mentally, sexually and emotionally immature as
    > you--which precludes creation of art consciously (though note I did not
    > say one should give up trying necessarily)--attempts to 'dictate'.
    >
    >
    >`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

    --
  • joseph mcelroy | Fri Oct 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

    >
    > (though note I did not say one should give up trying necessarily)

    An opening? You gave him an escape route? My world tremors.

    Joseph
  • D42 Kandinskij | Sun Oct 13th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, steve danzig wrote:

    > GEEE that's TELLING me ...Karei

    No, it isn't. Your knee-jerk interpretation is irrelevant.
    Dontcha think that there's better ways of controlling you
    than 'telling you' luv--if one were interested in such matters.
    Hands up! You got me there!

    > OK I promise to do better next time

    As if.

    > ....I really do.... and if I
    > don't, you just get in there and put me back in my place..... LSHICHB!

    I certainly would, luv.

    `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
  • D42 Kandinskij | Sun Oct 13th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:

    > An opening? You gave him an escape route? My world tremors.

    I always do. This time it was just really obvious.

    `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
  • STEVE DANZIG | Sun Oct 13th 2002 1 a.m.
    Karei... thanks for your dedication although I'm a little bemused by
    your follow-up.

    My original post referred to a general frustration of receiving so
    many unwanted email from the list.... I have since fixed this problem.

    Why you need to take it personally and write back attempting to
    belittle my character seems to be a knee-jerk reaction as well as you
    having way too much time on your hands .... I mean who really cares!

    I guess everyone's opinion is valid to a point.... when I read your
    posts I keep thinking of the phrase, "Get a life!" for some strange
    reason!

    >On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, steve danzig wrote:
    >
    >> GEEE that's TELLING me ...Karei
    >
    > No, it isn't. Your knee-jerk interpretation is irrelevant.
    > Dontcha think that there's better ways of controlling you
    > than 'telling you' luv--if one were interested in such matters.
    > Hands up! You got me there!
    >
    >> OK I promise to do better next time
    >
    > As if.
    >
    >> ....I really do.... and if I
    >> don't, you just get in there and put me back in my place..... LSHICHB!
    >
    > I certainly would, luv.
    >
    >`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

    --
  • D42 Kandinskij | Sun Oct 13th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, steve danzig wrote:

    > Karei... thanks for your dedication although I'm a little bemused by
    > your follow-up.

    Aren't we all.

    > My original post referred to a general frustration of receiving so
    > many unwanted email from the list.... I have since fixed this problem.

    Don't beat the nettles cause you're frustrated.

    > Why you need to take it personally

    I can't possibly take anything personally even if I tried.
    Nor would I ever do it when I could. Occupation with the
    'self' produces stopping of mind.

    > and write back attempting to belittle my character

    Er. No such occurrence.

    > seems to be a knee-jerk reaction

    No it isn't. And mimicry of my words isn't going to ad
    any validity to your statement.

    > as well as you having way too much time on your hands ..

    I have all the time in the universe! It's great!
    Not that it's any of your business to judge what I do with it.

    > .. I mean who really cares!

    As if. <Flicks its wrist>

    > I guess everyone's opinion is valid to a point..

    No it isn't. Nor is it what I write opinions.

    > when I read your posts I keep thinking of the phrase, "Get a life!"
    > for some strange reason!

    That must be because I: am attempting to belittle YOUR character!

    <shriek>
  • D42 Kandinskij | Mon Oct 14th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, steve danzig wrote:

    > Well, I'll be the judge of that!

    Standard idiotic reply.
    You and Joseph should wag your tails in unison.
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