Rhizome's Book Club

>From: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:37:44 -0400
>
>
>
>
>So much anger lurking at the midnight to two am hours. Maybe y'all would
>get along if you made some hot cocoa [marshmallows a must] and curled up
>with a good book by whatever heat source you can generate [aside from a
>computer monitor.] Crank up some stravinsky if you like. Then, we can all
>come back refreshed in the morning after a shower and breakfast and discuss
>the books we have read over a cup of OJ.

I'm off to sleep and then up early to pull weeds. Not to take some pulls
off weed!

>
>Anyone want to handle this one:
>http://www.netstoreusa.com/tabooks/156/1566761131.shtml
>
>Actually, I just picked up a copy of "Edisons Eve: A Magical History of the
>Quest for Mechanical Life" and have found it to be quite enjoyable. Its
>focus is mainly on the idea of androids pre-dating the computer, and the
>history of hoaxes and realized accomplishments from as early as 1797 [as
>far as I am into the book, when a robot that played the flute had actually
>been created and verified.]
>
>I would be glad to relate any information of relevance to the list as it
>grows uncovered, but I was curious if anyone else has any information to
>relay that is based on what they have read in a book. For some reason,
>"book learnin" has been taking a bad rap on this list, as if all of us are
>supposed to spontaneously generate concepts and ideas constantly.
>
>I like books! Who is with me?
>
>-e.

I like books, "Politics and the Novel" is what I would want to do for book
group, by Irving Howe. I think that the network is the new novel.

I'll be in the book group though, if it's not a new book I have to buy–well
that's kinda lame, I'll buy it if it's in paperback.

>
>
>
>
>
>Max Herman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erah, um, KK wrote "this society" which he said before doesn't exist. So
>>he's chokin on the spinters like HAL and Rollerball, and if he thinks
>>Madonna has real power but G2K don't, well he's nuttier'n a chiffarobe.
>>
>>He's irate, shootin chaffy, but you know me I dig that, and him too, he's
>>a corker, a snapperoo, little critter.
>>
>>Your gal ain't doodly squat,
>>
>>Herm
>>
>>++
>>
>>
>>>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>>>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>>>To: Wally Keeler <[email protected]>
>>>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
>>><[email protected]>
>>>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: get your agitprop on…
>>>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Wally Keeler wrote:
>>>
>>> > Gee, and once you regarded me as a murderous ape.
>>>
>>> The sheep ARE the murderous apes, you idiot.
>>> The impulse to murder is that of an un-evolved, idiotic baa.
>>> Like you.
>>>
>>> Xo.
>>>
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> I like books! Who is with me?

I like books. I just haven't had the desire to read them. However, if you
can that might be a sign that you are of literary tenor and should pursue a
career in said field.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> > I like books! Who is with me?

I like books. They make nice doorstops.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope (victorian writer) and
I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda boring) and
"Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on the train
generally. This is the first time in a long time that i've found time
to read fiction.

Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go all the way back
to analog ;-)

>> I like books! Who is with me?
>

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Spent the last few months working my way through all
that's translated of Primo Levi (staggering writer,
staggering human being) )and WG Sebald
(Rings of Saturn and The Emigrants so far)
Sebald's an interesting one - he combines picture and
text in a strange way that for me at least has some
net type resonances.
I don't know how well he's known in the States but
he's definitely worth seeking out.
Michael
— "t.whid" <[email protected]> wrote:
> i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> (victorian writer) and
> I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> boring) and
> "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> the train
> generally. This is the first time in a long time
> that i've found time
> to read fiction.
>
> Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> all the way back
> to analog ;-)
>
> >> I like books! Who is with me?
> >
>
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I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
for my birthday on Sunday.

Rough idea to add to the Update series:
(mattaclarkupdate)

1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
this from Rhizomers would be cool)

2. Remove segments of source code

3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
it flips back and forth between the old page and the
new "cut" page.

4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
sites, insert unrealted content.

Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.



<[email protected]> wrote:
> i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> (victorian writer) and
> I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> boring) and
> "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> the train
> generally. This is the first time in a long time
> that i've found time
> to read fiction.
>
> Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> all the way back
> to analog ;-)
>
> >> I like books! Who is with me?
> >
>
> –
> <twhid>
> http://www.mteww.com
> </twhid>
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Hi Eryk,

By coincidence or (micro) collective subconscious connexion - I was listeni=
ng to Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex, opera-oratorio last night; in between burst=
s of Beck, Tubeway Army and some current, local Asian music from London.

I have not been involved recently in various lists such as Rhizome due to a=
big move of living and work space recently. Thankfully, it has freed me up=
to rediscover various music and a valuable chance to reread certain books =
that have been inspirational, enjoyable, disheartening, mind numbing and of=
course thought provoking. Although I usually read a lot anyway, it has bee=
n a time of reevaluation of life matters and shifting of personal beliefs a=
nd non beliefs and the in betweens ones, which usually tend to be more inte=
resting and in the long run, of value. The subject matter of what I have be=
en reading of late has suddenly changed and caused the reopening of vaults =
ion relation to past reading materials.

I tend to read about three books at a time (not all at once of course), and=
they usually have some form of thread connecting them. The thread itself c=
ould be of my own making or a link that has occurred from picking up one b=
ook, or to do with an externally related idea, incidental/information or in=
terest. For me, books are on par to the freedom of music, whether it be dec=
laring one's discovery via the use of a combination of sounds or the amalga=
mation of words; it can be independent, street wise or actively culturally =
aware.

What kept me relatively sane as a young angst ridden, angry dysfunctional t=
eenager (still am one) when bunking off school was the Essex library in Sou=
thend On Sea, a small town about 4o miles outside London. I found out that =
I could find out about all kinds of things in relation civilization and soc=
ial movements world wide as well as local information. I learnt more about =
the world and what it had to offer at the library than at the school I was =
unfortunately trapped in by social conditioning. I was not designed or brou=
ght up to read but decided to anyway, then I realized that I and many of my=
friends were being kept in the dark. I am always interested in why people =
read books, because a lot of people are scared of the intimacy and the dire=
ctness of the power of the written word, for it can challenge ones presumpt=
ions. Especially due to its non interactiveness, its one way, you read and =
take in the content. Not forgetting 'Word Bombs', words with an explosive n=
ature. http://www.altx.com/wordbombs/cadigan.html

One of the books that got me going and kept my imagination fuelled (when I =
was about 13) were books such as 'The Golden Bough' by Sir George Frazer. h=
ttp://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/ At that time I was in no way able to=
get the full the (undertow) of subtle gist of what was being communicated =
via its text but got the main drift and enjoyed experiencing that magical s=
ense of wonder. This got me interested in various publications by Robert Gr=
aves, such as 'Mythology' which was like reading a fantastical soap opera b=
ut involving Gods and Goddesses and thousands of characters, explorative me=
taphors explaining life and all its untouchable non reasoning. Then I read=
'I, CLAUDIUS', sheesh - times haven't changed much, also a damn good toile=
t read infusing balance for such oracular readings. http://www.kirjasto.sci=
.fi/rgraves.htm

Other books I read around that time were '1984' by George Orwell. And an am=
azing comical book about robots taking over the world and trying to maintai=
n a balanced world yet going all wrong by an author of whom I have forgotte=
n. I began reading various books on politics such as the 'Konstradt Uprisin=
g' and various conspiracies between different factions of that time by diff=
erent writers, plus 'The Spanish Civil War', http://www.geocities.com/Capit=
olHill/9820/.

More recently I have been reading a book by Donah Zohar 'The Quantum Self' =
which is mind blowingly fascinating. Explaining how reality emerges from th=
e quantum world of elementary particles and probability waves. http://www.o=
pengroup.com/pvbooks/074/0747502714.shtml

One of the great things about moving is that you can rediscover records aga=
in that you have not played for a while, and that record was 'lick my Decal=
s off baby' Captain Beefheart. The book I found was 'The Pleasure of Findin=
g Things Out' by Richard P. Feynman. http://www.sykes.easynet.co.uk/pofto.h=
tml 'From his ruminations on science in our culture and descriptions of the=
fantastic properties of quantum physics to his personal recollections of b=
oyhood'. For me, this is addictive reading. I can appreciate and emphasise =
with this conscious and acknowledged shift between the personal, then strai=
ght into to subjects such as physics and nuclear fusion. I have always beli=
eved that science is subjective via humanistic reason; and IQ quoting by gr=
oups such as MENSA are an institutional white elephant, leaving out valid e=
quations such as emotional intelligence and everyday common sense. The meas=
uring of IQ is of course is just as subjective as choosing whether to have =
sugar or jam with your porridge. What I find so inspiring about Richard P. =
Feynman is that he advocates exploring as an everyday activity in life, whi=
ch is definately where my intentions have lied since I was a young snip. So=
exploration, does not have to reside alone in books but also in the way yo=
u live, reinvent one's imposed eugenic code and become your own master.

And yes I am a sucker for James Hillman. For anyone who wants to get into H=
illman gently (not in the literal sense of course - scuze the double whammy=
), I'd recommend 'Blue Fire'. Unlike that idiot Robert Bly, this dude knows=
what he's going on about. He is a Post Jungian, exploring humanity via pol=
ytheistic imaginings, and archetypal references via our use of image from w=
ithin. I got into J.Hillman from when I used to work in homeless hostels, h=
e seemed to be able to explain certain feelings I had around working with b=
roken males. I myself of course was broken and that was why I was working w=
ith males and many were dying from living on the streets. The work I did wa=
s a high stress factor, plus I myself had issues around the hatred of the m=
ale due to the experience of having two crap fathers who were prone to beat=
ing up the whole family. Thus we were under siege all of the time by males =
imposing their own failure of self respect on others, and whilst beating us=
they were really beating themselves. I see a lot of similarities with desp=
ots/dictators and males who pick on others all of the time to decoy themsel=
ves from dealing with their own dysfunction, choosing not to explore the re=
alistic possibilities, potential of personal enlightenment reevaluation. Wo=
rking with vulnerable males has taught me a lot about myself as well as lit=
tle bit of what makes a man tick. http://www.mythosandlogos.com/Hillman.html

a bit of my writings as a ref to the above - sorry ;-)
http://www.dido.uk.net/mgarrett/mg2.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mgw/docs/sadism.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mgw/docs/killing_by_numbers.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mob/windowindex.htm

Another classic as far as I'm concerned is 'beneath the Underground' by Bob=
Black. I've read this book so many times now, it's almost as crinkly as my=
dead grannies ass. A man after my own heart - he gets straight to the nub =
and then crushes delusory movements and ideoligies as though he is merely m=
unching on ready salted crisps (Americans call them potato chips). He holds=
back on the snide backward hatred bantor, and yet possesses enough emotion=
al self respect and self understanding to thoughtfully think about his subj=
ect with a punk, Oscar Wildian zest, which is always a joy to experience wh=
en reading his works. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe==
UTF-8&q=beneath+the+underground+bob

Then there's Allan Kapprow's 'The Blurring of Art and Life'. A truly inspir=
ational dude who has taken it upon himself to change the world in a way tha=
t can only be viewed as a genuine gesture against the tide of nihilist comp=
liance that still holds creative freedom in chains via institutional protoc=
ol. (Reading about Kaprow's original Happenings in these essays, we realize=
that we don't really remember them, only the millions of knock-offs they i=
nspired. The price of success was Diana Ross chirping that love was "A Happ=
ening," and the New Republic headlining "Bobby Kennedy Is a Happening." Kap=
row disappeared beneath the hype.)
http://128.138.144.71/abr/leonard.html

I've also been keen on reading the works of Bedri Bayakam. His most well kn=
own work is 'monkey's Right to Paint, and the Post-Duchamp Crisis'. Fightin=
g for the right of non-Western artists. His compassion to find a place for =
creative individuals/groups/outsiders of the art world guantlet has earned =
my respect. Not because I am myself a non-Western individual, I am not but =
because of my original very working class background and fucked up family b=
ackground, and that my de-education was imposed and exiled me from getting =
freely involved with art college learning, so I had to find my own route. B=
edri has done much the same in his own way, finding his own way of creating=
a valid platform to inspire those who are not of the circle=jerk sect of=
art arena isolationism. http://www.bedribaykam.com/

And how can one forget Kathy Acker- 'Blood and Guts in High School (1978)',=
which chronicles the life of Janey Smith, a name that translates as "Kathy=
Acker" in her native planet's tongue. Janey's mother dies when she's one. =
Her abusive father abandons her at ten. She travels from the Yucatan to New=
York where she's kidnapped and sold into white slavery, then gets cancer. =
Disgusted, her white master forsakes her. She journeys to the Middle East, =
wanders into the desert, and dies. In the afterlife, she searches for a boo=
k of human transformations, longing to leave behind her alligator shape and=
become a bird. http://www.cafezeitgeist.com/queen.html

Kathy Acker gave me faith in my own writing, I was encouraged by her honest=
emotion. She made emotion visceral as opposed to lilly liberal, using it a=
s an intelligent and playful tool writing so many up front and revelatory b=
ooks.

Another book that I have unearthed is 'Killing For Culture', an illustrated=
history of death film from mondo to snuff. http://www.uncut.dk/UNCUT/anmel=
delser/killingforculture.html NUFF SAID…

Thanx for that Eryk - I enjoyed that, much respect from marc





>
>
>
> So much anger lurking at the midnight to two am hours. Maybe y'all would=

> get along if you made some hot cocoa [marshmallows a must] and curled up=

> with a good book by whatever heat source you can generate [aside from a=

> computer monitor.] Crank up some stravinsky if you like. Then, we can
> all come back refreshed in the morning after a shower and breakfast and=

> discuss the books we have read over a cup of OJ.
>
> Anyone want to handle this one:
> http://www.netstoreusa.com/tabooks/156/1566761131.shtml
>
> Actually, I just picked up a copy of "Edisons Eve: A Magical History of=

> the Quest for Mechanical Life" and have found it to be quite enjoyable.=

> Its focus is mainly on the idea of androids pre-dating the computer, and=

> the history of hoaxes and realized accomplishments from as early as 1797=

> [as far as I am into the book, when a robot that played the flute had
> actually been created and verified.]
>
> I would be glad to relate any information of relevance to the list as it=

> grows uncovered, but I was curious if anyone else has any information to=

> relay that is based on what they have read in a book. For some reason,
> "book learnin" has been taking a bad rap on this list, as if all of us
> are supposed to spontaneously generate concepts and ideas constantly.
>
> I like books! Who is with me?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> Max Herman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Erah, um, KK wrote "this society" which he said before doesn't exist.=

> > So he's chokin on the spinters like HAL and Rollerball, and if he
> > thinks Madonna has real power but G2K don't, well he's nuttier'n a
> > chiffarobe.
> >
> > He's irate, shootin chaffy, but you know me I dig that, and him too,
> > he's a corker, a snapperoo, little critter.
> >
> > Your gal ain't doodly squat,
> >
> > Herm
> >
> > ++
> >
> >
> >> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
> >> To: Wally Keeler <[email protected]>
> >> CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, =

> >> <[email protected]>
> >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: get your agitprop on…
> >> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Wally Keeler wrote:
> >>
> >> > Gee, and once you regarded me as a murderous ape.
> >>
> >> The sheep ARE the murderous apes, you idiot.
> >> The impulse to murder is that of an un-evolved, idiotic baa.
> >> Like you.
> >>
> >> Xo.
> >>
> >>
> >> + the assholes playground
> >> -> post: [email protected]
> >> -> questions: [email protected]
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> >
> >
> >
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—– Original Message —–
From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club


> I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
> Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
> for my birthday on Sunday.
>
> Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> (mattaclarkupdate)
>
> 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
> this from Rhizomers would be cool)
>
> 2. Remove segments of source code
>
> 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
> it flips back and forth between the old page and the
> new "cut" page.
>
> 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
> sites, insert unrealted content.
>
> Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > (victorian writer) and
> > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> > boring) and
> > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> > the train
> > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > that i've found time
> > to read fiction.
> >
> > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> > all the way back
> > to analog ;-)
> >
> > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > >
> >
> > –
> > <twhid>
> > http://www.mteww.com
> > </twhid>
> > + the assholes playground
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
> > out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
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> http://tinjail.com
>
> __________________________________________________
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> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
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> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
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Ahhh…very good. (clap clap) Mind if I use it?
Anyway, were getting off topic. So Pavu, what are you
guys reading lately?

— clement Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> this technology is called NNet-art.org
>
> wishing you the best always,
>
> the pavu.com team
> -/ gET readY for the En-gArde ! /-
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
>
>
> > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed:
> The
> > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to
> me
> > for my birthday on Sunday.
> >
> > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > (mattaclarkupdate)
> >
> > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads
> on
> > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> >
> > 2. Remove segments of source code
> >
> > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so
> that
> > it flips back and forth between the old page and
> the
> > new "cut" page.
> >
> > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created
> between
> > sites, insert unrealted content.
> >
> > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> >
> >
> >
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > (victorian writer) and
> > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi"
> (kinda
> > > boring) and
> > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read
> on
> > > the train
> > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > that i've found time
> > > to read fiction.
> > >
> > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't
> go
> > > all the way back
> > > to analog ;-)
> > >
> > > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > > >
> > >
> > > –
> > > <twhid>
> > > http://www.mteww.com
> > > </twhid>
> > > + the assholes playground
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms
> set
> > > out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
> > =====
> > http://mteww.com
> > http://tinjail.com
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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- I read kandinskij songs of course !!!
listen to them here
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- You can use anything you want from us, if you host a territorial patch on
your website.
You will then be allowed to join the Herald Tribute Armory Room
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learn more about GNou Found Lands at
http://www.GNouFL.com

but you already know about this don't you ?

wishing you the best always,
clement - pavu.com
-/ at this time, Jean Philippe reads the Pancake War Cook Book, and Paul
reads the Lotus Sutra ! /-


—– Original Message —–
From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
To: "clement Thomas" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club


> Ahhh…very good. (clap clap) Mind if I use it?
> Anyway, were getting off topic. So Pavu, what are you
> guys reading lately?
>
> — clement Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > this technology is called NNet-art.org
> >
> > wishing you the best always,
> >
> > the pavu.com team
> > -/ gET readY for the En-gArde ! /-
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
> >
> >
> > > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed:
> > The
> > > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to
> > me
> > > for my birthday on Sunday.
> > >
> > > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > > (mattaclarkupdate)
> > >
> > > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads
> > on
> > > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> > >
> > > 2. Remove segments of source code
> > >
> > > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so
> > that
> > > it flips back and forth between the old page and
> > the
> > > new "cut" page.
> > >
> > > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created
> > between
> > > sites, insert unrealted content.
> > >
> > > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > > (victorian writer) and
> > > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi"
> > (kinda
> > > > boring) and
> > > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read
> > on
> > > > the train
> > > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > > that i've found time
> > > > to read fiction.
> > > >
> > > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't
> > go
> > > > all the way back
> > > > to analog ;-)
> > > >
> > > > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > –
> > > > <twhid>
> > > > http://www.mteww.com
> > > > </twhid>
> > > > + the assholes playground
> > > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > > +
> > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms
> > set
> > > > out in the
> > > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > http://mteww.com
> > > http://tinjail.com
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
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> > > + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
> > > -> post: [email protected]
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> > set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> >
> > + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
> > out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> =====
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> http://tinjail.com
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
> http://sbc.yahoo.com
>

I just reread Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'. Really surreal book.

Want a 'dead' website? find my old web.raex.com/~voyd

—– Original Message —–
From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club


> I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
> Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
> for my birthday on Sunday.
>
> Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> (mattaclarkupdate)
>
> 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
> this from Rhizomers would be cool)
>
> 2. Remove segments of source code
>
> 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
> it flips back and forth between the old page and the
> new "cut" page.
>
> 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
> sites, insert unrealted content.
>
> Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > (victorian writer) and
> > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> > boring) and
> > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> > the train
> > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > that i've found time
> > to read fiction.
> >
> > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> > all the way back
> > to analog ;-)
> >
> > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > >
> >
> > –
> > <twhid>
> > http://www.mteww.com
> > </twhid>
> > + the assholes playground
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
> > out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> =====
> http://mteww.com
> http://tinjail.com
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
> http://sbc.yahoo.com
> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
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>
>

I got that book as a spontaneous present from my
cousin/compadre/co-conspirator Greg a while back. Brilliant. Matta Clark,
what a guy. We used to do events in all sorts of empty buildings. Cutting
them up was optional, though usually happened to some degree. We once did a
show in an empty 20 story tower in Birmingham (England). Someone hammered a
hole through the side of the building and stuck the prow of a large
cardboard boat out 15 stories up. Oh joy.
I liked Matta Clark's cut up of a NY pier. Danger, art and light all messed
up in one wonderous space.
Ivan
—– Original Message —–
From: Mark River <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club


> I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
> Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
> for my birthday on Sunday.
>
> Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> (mattaclarkupdate)
>
> 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
> this from Rhizomers would be cool)
>
> 2. Remove segments of source code
>
> 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
> it flips back and forth between the old page and the
> new "cut" page.
>
> 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
> sites, insert unrealted content.
>
> Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > (victorian writer) and
> > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> > boring) and
> > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> > the train
> > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > that i've found time
> > to read fiction.
> >
> > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> > all the way back
> > to analog ;-)
> >
> > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > >
> >
> > –
> > <twhid>
> > http://www.mteww.com
> > </twhid>
> > + the assholes playground
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
> > out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> =====
> http://mteww.com
> http://tinjail.com
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
> http://sbc.yahoo.com
> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

> Spent the last few months working my way through all
> that's translated of Primo Levi (staggering writer,
> staggering human being) )

I've always wanted to say this, so I will seize my chance.
Primo Levi's 'If this is a Man' comes (in the UK, anyway) as a double volume
with 'The Truce'. If this is a Man is a staggering work, leaves you gasping.
But, The Truce, readable and gripping as it is, is a book of jolly japes and
hard times on the road back home. I could not believe that Levi wrote it,
really. And I could not believe that the publishers could bind it with If
this is a Man.

Phew. Said it.

I love books also.

Ivan

Ivan you're such a puritan! Go and reread the last
paragraph of 'The Truce' - I think jolly japes is
putting it a bit strongly but there's no doubt as a
whole it's a lighter read than 'If this is a Man'
why?- because its about 'becoming human' again - but
even if that bothers you that last para is one hell of
a sting in the tail.
Michael
— Ivan Pope <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > Spent the last few months working my way through
> all
> > that's translated of Primo Levi (staggering
> writer,
> > staggering human being) )
>
> I've always wanted to say this, so I will seize my
> chance.
> Primo Levi's 'If this is a Man' comes (in the UK,
> anyway) as a double volume
> with 'The Truce'. If this is a Man is a staggering
> work, leaves you gasping.
> But, The Truce, readable and gripping as it is, is a
> book of jolly japes and
> hard times on the road back home. I could not
> believe that Levi wrote it,
> really. And I could not believe that the publishers
> could bind it with If
> this is a Man.
>
> Phew. Said it.
>
> I love books also.
>
> Ivan
>
> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
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Nice site. I think that one should stay the way it
is…but I am really looking for an abandoned web
site. Any of you Rhizomers run a dot com into the
ground?

Oh, sorry. Off topic again…just jawin' away about my
wants and needs. Back to books…

1. I need a coffee table book on net art for
Christmas.

2. Kobo Abe was my favorite writer but now I'm not so
sure.

3. Twain is great. (Yes, that's how I picked this lame
net name)

4. World of Awe is a good read but I like it better in
email form for some reason(…Think "Women of the
Dunes" and see point 1 for obscure reference…sand,
it's all about the endless march of sand - form and
function hand in hand)

5. I heard Michelle's daughter made some web art based
on "Flatland" True?

6. I like Murakami as well.

7. Love zines and comixs like all good geeks should
("So, why did you start making art on the
internet?"…duh)

8. I think I'm starting to ramble so I'll stop now.

9. Oh, wait, one last note. I know this girl who grew
up in Florida. When she was a teenager, she worked in
a small "alt" childrens bookstore that for some reason
also carried Autonomedia stuff. She remembers r.dom
from when he used to come in to buy. I think she had a
crush.

— Patrick Lichty <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just reread Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'.
> Really surreal book.
>
> Want a 'dead' website? find my old
> web.raex.com/~voyd
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
>
>
> > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed:
> The
> > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to
> me
> > for my birthday on Sunday.
> >
> > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > (mattaclarkupdate)
> >
> > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads
> on
> > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> >
> > 2. Remove segments of source code
> >
> > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so
> that
> > it flips back and forth between the old page and
> the
> > new "cut" page.
> >
> > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created
> between
> > sites, insert unrealted content.
> >
> > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> >
> >
> >
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > (victorian writer) and
> > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi"
> (kinda
> > > boring) and
> > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read
> on
> > > the train
> > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > that i've found time
> > > to read fiction.
> > >
> > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't
> go
> > > all the way back
> > > to analog ;-)
> > >
> > > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > > >
> > >
> > > –
> > > <twhid>
> > > http://www.mteww.com
> > > </twhid>
> > > + the assholes playground
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms
> set
> > > out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
> > =====
> > http://mteww.com
> > http://tinjail.com
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
> > http://sbc.yahoo.com
> > + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
> > -> post: [email protected]
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> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
>
>
> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
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Reading:
Labyrinths by Borges - again
How to be a Canadian by Ferguson brothers
Harvest by Future Farmers
Design Noir: The Secret Life of Electronic Objects by Dunne and Raby
The Pump House Gang by Tom Wolfe
Gravity's Rainbow by Pynchon - doesn't count cuz i started 6 years ago and
still on 1st chapter

re: coffee table books(thinking in terms of size/weight - not content)
do you have Information Arts by Stephen Wilson?
re: Murakami
Windup Bird Chronicles gave me hope for all my moles!! I don't have one big
one on my face like the guy did, but I do have a bunch of 'em. Maybe I need
to hang around on benches drinking coffee more often or buy a shovel and
start digging my own well…loved it!!

[sgp]

—– Original Message —–
From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
> Nice site. I think that one should stay the way it
> is…but I am really looking for an abandoned web
> site. Any of you Rhizomers run a dot com into the
> ground?
>
> Oh, sorry. Off topic again…just jawin' away about my
> wants and needs. Back to books…
>
> 1. I need a coffee table book on net art for
> Christmas.
>
> 2. Kobo Abe was my favorite writer but now I'm not so
> sure.
>
> 3. Twain is great. (Yes, that's how I picked this lame
> net name)
>
> 4. World of Awe is a good read but I like it better in
> email form for some reason(…Think "Women of the
> Dunes" and see point 1 for obscure reference…sand,
> it's all about the endless march of sand - form and
> function hand in hand)
>
> 5. I heard Michelle's daughter made some web art based
> on "Flatland" True?
>
> 6. I like Murakami as well.
>
> 7. Love zines and comixs like all good geeks should
> ("So, why did you start making art on the
> internet?"…duh)
>
> 8. I think I'm starting to ramble so I'll stop now.
>
> 9. Oh, wait, one last note. I know this girl who grew
> up in Florida. When she was a teenager, she worked in
> a small "alt" childrens bookstore that for some reason
> also carried Autonomedia stuff. She remembers r.dom
> from when he used to come in to buy. I think she had a
> crush.
>
> — Patrick Lichty <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I just reread Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'.
> > Really surreal book.
> >
> > Want a 'dead' website? find my old
> > web.raex.com/~voyd
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
> >
> >
> > > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed:
> > The
> > > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to
> > me
> > > for my birthday on Sunday.
> > >
> > > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > > (mattaclarkupdate)
> > >
> > > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads
> > on
> > > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> > >
> > > 2. Remove segments of source code
> > >
> > > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so
> > that
> > > it flips back and forth between the old page and
> > the
> > > new "cut" page.
> > >
> > > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created
> > between
> > > sites, insert unrealted content.
> > >
> > > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > > (victorian writer) and
> > > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi"
> > (kinda
> > > > boring) and
> > > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read
> > on
> > > > the train
> > > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > > that i've found time
> > > > to read fiction.
> > > >
> > > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't
> > go
> > > > all the way back
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How about www.schoolsR.us … it never got off the ground and is dead now.

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

Hi Patrick,

Just did a search to find out more about it - mm, when I've got some spare
cash I'll get it.

http://www.sitedish.com/imho/fict/murakam2.html

marc


> I just reread Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'. Really surreal book.
>
> Want a 'dead' website? find my old web.raex.com/~voyd
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Mark River" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
>
>
> > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
> > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
> > for my birthday on Sunday.
> >
> > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > (mattaclarkupdate)
> >
> > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
> > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> >
> > 2. Remove segments of source code
> >
> > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
> > it flips back and forth between the old page and the
> > new "cut" page.
> >
> > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
> > sites, insert unrealted content.
> >
> > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> >
> >
> >
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > (victorian writer) and
> > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> > > boring) and
> > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> > > the train
> > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > that i've found time
> > > to read fiction.
> > >
> > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> > > all the way back
> > > to analog ;-)
> > >
> > > >> I like books! Who is with me?
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Hi Ivan,

Can I borrow it?

marc;-)

>
>
> > Spent the last few months working my way through all
> > that's translated of Primo Levi (staggering writer,
> > staggering human being) )
>
> I've always wanted to say this, so I will seize my chance.
> Primo Levi's 'If this is a Man' comes (in the UK, anyway) as a double
volume
> with 'The Truce'. If this is a Man is a staggering work, leaves you
gasping.
> But, The Truce, readable and gripping as it is, is a book of jolly japes
and
> hard times on the road back home. I could not believe that Levi wrote it,
> really. And I could not believe that the publishers could bind it with If
> this is a Man.
>
> Phew. Said it.
>
> I love books also.
>
> Ivan
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jess's very unintellectual and domestic book list;

just finished:

blackberry wine by Joanne Harris
feel-good, ' laymans alchemy' for beginners.

to depress the hell out of you
'How the dead live" by Will Self
and I'm never reading another of his books again. Brilliant but wanted to
jump off bridge at the end (but v. v. scared to do so)

"White Teeth" by zadie smith
great (if week ending) Currently on Ch4 UK and I bloody missed it
yesterday.



have read more but haven't read a 'goodie' in ages…. gonna raid your
lists:-)
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Hi Jess,

About Zadie Smith - Is it coincidence that Cambridge & Oxford x-grads get a
lot media support?

marc



> jess's very unintellectual and domestic book list;
>
> just finished:
>
> blackberry wine by Joanne Harris
> feel-good, ' laymans alchemy' for beginners.
>
> to depress the hell out of you
> 'How the dead live" by Will Self
> and I'm never reading another of his books again. Brilliant but wanted to
> jump off bridge at the end (but v. v. scared to do so)
>
> "White Teeth" by zadie smith
> great (if week ending) Currently on Ch4 UK and I bloody missed it
> yesterday.
>
>
>
> have read more but haven't read a 'goodie' in ages…. gonna raid your
> lists:-)
> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
>
>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; Hi Jess,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; About Zadie Smith
- Is it coincidence that Cambridge &amp; Oxford x-grads get a</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; lot media support?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">of course!!!! hee!hee! </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">But it is a fantastic first book,
even if she has had more opportunities
that most new writers. I don't think many writers are brave enough to
tackle generational narratives in the way this does. &nbsp;I'm also a sucker
for humour and I always read things through a great layer of self
experience. There is a a chapter which starts with samad at a PTA
meeting:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">&quot;By a strange process of symmetry,
being a parent-governor perfectly
mirrors the process of becoming a parent. It starts innocently. Casually.
You turn up at the Spring Fair full of beans, help with the raffle tickets
(because the pretty red-haired music teacher asks you to) and win a
bottle of whisky (all school raffles are fixed), and, before you know
where you are, you're turning up at the weekly school council meetings,
organizing concerts, discussing plans for the new music department,
donating funds for the rejuvenation of the water-fountains - your
</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"><i>implicated </i>in the school, you're<i>
involved </i>in it. Sooner or later you stop
dropping your child off at the school gates. You start following them
in…&quot;</span></font></div>
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</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">wonderful. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">jess.</span></font></div>
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Hi Jess,

I remember once, when I was living in Brixton, London and frequenting with =
some well known and up and coming writers/critics/play writers and potentia=
l future big time lawyer friends, who had all come from Cambridge originall=
y, except for me that is. I was asked to read one of my stories to them, I =
thought ok, a personal audience. After reading the story out to them, Lucy =
(not her real name by the way), just in case she is reading this and does n=
ot want me to drag her down - began to cry. I was kind of surprised and eve=
n unnerved by this action, the rest of the gang gave her a gentle hug and s=
eemed to understand where her tears were coming from. I asked everyone what=
was going on? Wondering if my work had offended them or her in anyway; esp=
ecially the bit about a suicidal male masturbating in a seafront toilet whi=
lst trying to hang himself, and videoing it for his x boyfriend at the same=
time. Later on, when everyone else had left; she said the work was great b=
ut she had cried for me. I asked her why? She said it was because no one wi=
ll get to see the work because of my background and lack of relevant breedi=
ng. Sheesh I thought, as an existential angst like lump formed in my throat=
, after that I did not see them again, plus I pinched a few ace records fro=
m their collection from them before I left, breeding huh!

Although having said the above, I would not of met Ruth if I had not burst =
into the bedroom of a room mate in Bristol expounding a story about a grann=
y going through her last orgasm via the use of a drug that I had named as '=
Mirror'. The drug was so powerful she had a seizure. A drug that enhanced s=
exual feeling for all ages, mainly used by male prostitutes in the story f=
or when they got bored to the teeth with selling their bodies, to heighten =
the experience, making it a more positive venture, hence pleasing the custo=
mer.

I am also keen on a good laugh, but I'm terrible; I always want to know how=
they got to where they were and why they are doing what they are doing. Ch=
ecking up on famous dudes, researching their funding and organizational sup=
port for instance. Yep, I'll see if a friend is reading it presently, then =
borrow it once they have finished. I'm terrible these days, always reading =
non fiction it seems.

marc






> Hi Jess,
>
> About Zadie Smith - Is it coincidence that Cambridge & Oxford x-grads g=
et a
> lot media support?


of course!!!! hee!hee!
But it is a fantastic first book, even if she has had more opportunities =
that most new writers. I don't think many writers are brave enough to tackl=
e generational narratives in the way this does. I'm also a sucker for humo=
ur and I always read things through a great layer of self experience. There=
is a a chapter which starts with samad at a PTA meeting:
"By a strange process of symmetry, being a parent-governor perfectly mirr=
ors the process of becoming a parent. It starts innocently. Casually. You t=
urn up at the Spring Fair full of beans, help with the raffle tickets (beca=
use the pretty red-haired music teacher asks you to) and win a bottle of wh=
isky (all school raffles are fixed), and, before you know where you are, yo=
u're turning up at the weekly school council meetings, organizing concerts,=
discussing plans for the new music department, donating funds for the reju=
venation of the water-fountains - your implicated in the school, you're inv=
olved in it. Sooner or later you stop dropping your child off at the school=
gates. You start following them in…"


wonderful.
jess.


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Later on, when everyone else had left; she said the work was great but she had cried
for me. I asked her why?
She said it was because no one will get to see the work because of my background and
lack of relevant breeding.
lack of relevant breeding? What was she a pedigree collie???

I have a friend who pleased her parents by doing an MA at Cambridge.
she said the only thing she learnt was how to use a fish knife.

I'm fighting my way through some text books but I'm very intolerant. I don't mind hard
work but if I have to get out the dictionary more than three times in one paragraph it
goes back on the shelf. I've just started reading Deleuze at the moment and my brain
aches.

j.

Reading Deleuze eh!

There is a rather nifty piece that I found in Nettime a little while back
from 2000. A translation by Bram Dov Abramson, you might be interested. The
translation isn't that bad really, pretty good in fact, although I can
imagine it loosing various sub-nuances.

Gilles Deleuze on Human Rights -
http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0002/msg00145.html

this is Bram Dov Abramson's site
http://commposite.uqam.ca/videaz/bio/baaben.html
It seems his main concern evolves around anti-rascist activities, a big
feature in relation to various conferences that he has run.

Your friend from Cambridge - could you get the secret of how to use a fish
knife correctly from her, it could impress various members of the arts
council if and when I get into their building, mixing with the artirati.
Which seems more possible these days, now I am accepted whilst in the guise
of middle class educated (self educated really) , thefore not a threat
anymore. I remember Heath saying years ago, that it does not matter what you
do but if you are not talking in the same language which is class and
administravely associated, your concerns will not be appropriated. And look
at him now… his work is at the Tate.
http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/default.htm

marc




> Later on, when everyone else had left; she said the work was great but she
had cried
> for me. I asked her why?
> She said it was because no one will get to see the work because of my
background and
> lack of relevant breeding.
> lack of relevant breeding? What was she a pedigree collie???
>
> I have a friend who pleased her parents by doing an MA at Cambridge.
> she said the only thing she learnt was how to use a fish knife.
>
> I'm fighting my way through some text books but I'm very intolerant. I
don't mind hard
> work but if I have to get out the dictionary more than three times in one
paragraph it
> goes back on the shelf. I've just started reading Deleuze at the moment
and my brain
> aches.
>
> j.
>
>

>I've just started reading Deleuze at the moment and my brain
>aches.


The pain after reading Deleuze is like a buzzing headache but, with
Deleuze+Guattari I always feel like a jackhammer went through skull.
I am very VERY impatient with both of them but can't seem to walk
away —it's something akin to a car crash. Soooo different from
Foucault and DeMan. I truly like them. Actually, I like Deleuze ALONE.

Anyhoo …

Everytime I boot up ol' Lola, an electronic version of the Tao Te
Ching pops up with a random verse. The latest was a pleasant surprise
because it sums up my take on interactive net.art:

32. Shapes

The Way has no true shape,
And therefore none can control it.
If a ruler could control the Way
All things would follow
In harmony with his desire,
And sweet rain would fall,
Effortlessly slaking every thirst.

The Way is shaped by use,
But then the shape is lost.
Do not hold fast to shapes
But let sensation flow into the world
As a river courses down to the sea.

For fun, I have discovered the amazing mystery novels of ANNE PERRY,
one of your fellow brits. Actually, have been consuming a lot of
British books. Courtesy of my kids' interests, we've been reading a
lot of those DK books, the likes of JK Rowling and, of course, AA
Milne.

It has been while reading to my kids that I have found the Tao in the
WINNIE THE POOH stories. Nothing like a bear of little brain to put
things into perspective.

Best,
Liza

Hi Liza
I'm not sure how old your kids are, but have you looked at 'the dark is
rising' series by Susan Cooper? I think you all might like them as they
are somewhere between harry potter, winnie the pooh , tao and with
some celtic trimming:-)
cheers,
jess.
>
> For fun, I have discovered the amazing mystery novels of ANNE PERRY,
> one of your fellow brits. Actually, have been consuming a lot of
> British books. Courtesy of my kids' interests, we've been reading a
> lot of those DK books, the likes of JK Rowling and, of course, AA
> Milne.