problems on Rhizome Raw

Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:

There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers who
feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a community
resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to function
as an inclusive community resource.

We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere function,
the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw has
somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of serious
discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the community
managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.

Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels that
were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain an
unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity on
Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the fire.

We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.

What do people think about this model?

In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and energy
by using the filtering features of your email software.

Best,

Rachel

Comments

, dgs

— Rachel Greene <[email protected]> a ecrit

I just cann't give up from 'rhizom".There's so many interested opinions.As I
see you lockin for "rhizom" main stream.WASP?
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "Rachel Greene" <[email protected]>
To: "rhizome" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:03 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw


>
> Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
>
> There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
> people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
> high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers who
> feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a community
> resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to function
> as an inclusive community resource.
>
> We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
> one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere function,
> the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
> one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw has
> somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of
serious
> discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
> things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the community
> managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.
>
> Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
> abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
> moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels that
> were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
> channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain an
> unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity on
> Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the
fire.
>
> We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.
>
> What do people think about this model?
>
> In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and energy
> by using the filtering features of your email software.
>
> Best,
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>

, joy garnett

Good idea, I thought Rare functioned well before; I'm sure there's a need for it still, other than to allow Raw to keep on as a necessary mosh pit…

best
J

, David Goldschmidt

Hi Rachel-

I'd have to say that even though I voiced a concern recently … I hope that
Rhizome dosesn't have to move forward with this idea. I am pretty sure that
Rhizome staffers have better things to do with their time than to moderate
another email list.

As for myself, I haven't blocked anyone … but there are few people whose
emails I no longer read.

david goldschmidt


—– Original Message —–
From: "Rachel Greene" <[email protected]>
To: "rhizome" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw


>
> Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
>
> There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
> people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
> high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers who
> feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a community
> resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to function
> as an inclusive community resource.
>
> We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
> one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere function,
> the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
> one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw has
> somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of
serious
> discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
> things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the community
> managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.
>
> Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
> abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
> moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels that
> were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
> channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain an
> unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity on
> Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the
fire.
>
> We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.
>
> What do people think about this model?
>
> In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and energy
> by using the filtering features of your email software.
>
> Best,
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

, João Pereira

Rachel:

I agree with you there have been some problems, on Rhizome Raw, but
reinstate the Rare like a filtered list, for those who cannot stand the
heat of Raw, sounds to me, not a way to fix any problem, but a way to avoid
it,
running away to a cold place, where are superusers that will filtrate all
the information: they will protect the "elite" of rhizome, from any abuse…
All the others, burning in the fire! I think that model is the totaly opozit
of
idea of rhizome (Deleuze/Guattari)!
Rachel: from my point of view, reinstate the Rare like a filtred list,
it would be the beginning of the end for rhizome. What about the others,
whose posts the new Rare will don't accept? What do you say to them? Oh, i
now: that staf don't correspond to our criteria of selection! What means: we
have this censorship and you are completly impotent against him!
Wouldn't be better people change their attitudes? People
can change! And you don't need to strik an attitude.
I think the "migration" to another place, don't get better this
place. We have the exemple of the migrations of the populations, from
Africa, Asia and South America, to North America and Europa and, tell me,
this phenomena solved the problems world? And you want solved the small
problems of Raw, with a similar model at what's going on in our World? I
think that take us into a blind alley! And it would be a shame!

Best regards:

Joao Pedro
[email protected]


—– Original Message —–
From: "Rachel Greene" <[email protected]>
To: "rhizome" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:03 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw


>
> Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
>
> There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
> people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
> high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers who
> feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a community
> resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to function
> as an inclusive community resource.
>
> We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
> one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere function,
> the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
> one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw has
> somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of
serious
> discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
> things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the community
> managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.
>
> Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
> abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
> moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels that
> were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
> channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain an
> unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity on
> Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the
fire.
>
> We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.
>
> What do people think about this model?
>
> In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and energy
> by using the filtering features of your email software.
>
> Best,
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

, D42 Kandinskij

That's funny rachel: there has been plenty of 'abuse' on Rhizome
all along–except for much like any class of self-selected mob-behavior
this abuse is seen as 'acceptable'. Your proposition is yet another:
cowards who want to post idiocy with impunity without having the
responsibility to withstand any possible 'unpleasant' retorts
distorting their prima-donna self-image. Never-mind the idea of
'superusers' moderating other people's speech–that's simply idiotic.

Leaving 'rhizome raw' is little but yet another veil-over-eyes
tactics–censorship is censorship–any way you choose to put it.
In reality–you turn Rhizome into a non-inclusive list anyways
by limiting who can speak to who. This is kindergarten tactics.


Ciao.


`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, pavu.com

Of course it's become quite a gray area for quite some time now with its
petit salon a la french the american way habits
but there are still cahoting routes with 7 dwarves relay runners, mirror mon
beau miroir Randinskij spiritual scrubb and a few G tokay to prove there's
still lively human plants around

just bring more carrotts, hot chardonay, donkeys and prout prout eyepowder
and the campaign will greenish again!

no bull needed
keep raw as is and on the rocks

wishing you the best always

M_H - pavu.com Team
http://pavu.com
-/ Keep rire - Stop yellow ! /-





> Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
>
> There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
> people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
> high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers who
> feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a community
> resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to function
> as an inclusive community resource.
>
> We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
> one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere function,
> the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
> one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw has
> somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of serious
> discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
> things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the community
> managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.
>
> Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
> abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
> moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels that
> were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
> channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain an
> unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity on
> Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the fire.
>
> We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.
>
> What do people think about this model?
>
> In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and energy
> by using the filtering features of your email software.
>
> Best,
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

, Doug Lewis

I have to agree Rachel,

a new design towards a Rare model would be the end of Rhizome - it would
create a panoptic situation that would simply put, place handcuffs on the
spirit of Deleuze/Guattari's original intentions. We must be able to come
to terms with how the Rhizome manifests itself - I agree with Joao P. that
Raw is just "that"… to filter Raw would be simply wrong. Sometimes wading
through things helps one to appreciate the gems that can be serendipitous
and wonderful..

many r,
Doug
—–Original Message—–
From:Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent:Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:31 PM
To:Rachel Greene; [email protected]
Cc:Oliveira Pereira
Subject:Re: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw

Rachel:

I agree with you there have been some problems, on Rhizome Raw, but
reinstate the Rare like a filtered list, for those who cannot stand the
heat of Raw, sounds to me, not a way to fix any problem, but a way to avoid
it,
running away to a cold place, where are superusers that will filtrate all
the information: they will protect the "elite" of rhizome, from any
abuse…
All the others, burning in the fire! I think that model is the totaly
opozit
of
idea of rhizome (Deleuze/Guattari)!
Rachel: from my point of view, reinstate the Rare like a filtred list,
it would be the beginning of the end for rhizome. What about the others,
whose posts the new Rare will don't accept? What do you say to them? Oh, i
now: that staf don't correspond to our criteria of selection! What means:
we
have this censorship and you are completly impotent against him!
Wouldn't be better people change their attitudes? People
can change! And you don't need to strik an attitude.
I think the "migration" to another place, don't get better this
place. We have the exemple of the migrations of the populations, from
Africa, Asia and South America, to North America and Europa and, tell me,
this phenomena solved the problems world? And you want solved the small
problems of Raw, with a similar model at what's going on in our World? I
think that take us into a blind alley! And it would be a shame!

Best regards:

Joao Pedro
[email protected]


—– Original Message —–
From: "Rachel Greene" <[email protected]>
To: "rhizome" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:03 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw


>
> Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
>
> There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
> people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
> high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers
who
> feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a
community
> resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to function
> as an inclusive community resource.
>
> We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
> one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere function,
> the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
> one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw
has
> somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of
serious
> discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
> things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the community
> managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.
>
> Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
> abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
> moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels
that
> were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
> channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain
an
> unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity on
> Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the
fire.
>
> We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.
>
> What do people think about this model?
>
> In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and
energy
> by using the filtering features of your email software.
>
> Best,
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>










+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
-> post: [email protected]
-> questions: [email protected]
-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
+
Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

, M. River

— Rachel Greene <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
>
> Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or
> unsubscribing people who
> abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome
> Rare email list as a
> moderated version of Raw.

A brief thought for the Raw Hard-core who are against
this idea…

There are now half a dozen email list for net art.
Another flavor of Rhizome does not change much. In
fact diversity may be helpful. What is needed, if you
do care about being "heard" on RAW, is to make RAW an
interesting place. Make it a better experience than
the other options. - more experimentation, more art,
more thought, more voice -

Anyway, just a thought…

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, Max Herman

I thought the proposal was to keep Raw but also have Rare? Please advise if
Raw is going to be scratched Rachel. I think that would not be so great.

Also, 00101010100101.org's sig "you have to subvert yourself first," that
reminds me of what Death is saying. Is it like a new imperial low-profile
philosophy outta the Old World?

I'm getting submissions too, so don't be afraid that none are on the page
yet. Anything sent by Friday will be in.

"I shouted I was Invincible: that I was high above the law."

Ace Frehley
genius2000.net

++


>From: Doug Lewis <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: Doug Lewis <[email protected]>
>To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>, Rachel Greene
><[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:55:26 -0500
>
>I have to agree Rachel,
>
>a new design towards a Rare model would be the end of Rhizome - it would
>create a panoptic situation that would simply put, place handcuffs on the
>spirit of Deleuze/Guattari's original intentions. We must be able to come
>to terms with how the Rhizome manifests itself - I agree with Joao P. that
>Raw is just "that"… to filter Raw would be simply wrong. Sometimes wading
>through things helps one to appreciate the gems that can be serendipitous
>and wonderful..
>
>many r,
>Doug
>—–Original Message—–
>From:Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
>Sent:Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:31 PM
>To:Rachel Greene; [email protected]
>Cc:Oliveira Pereira
>Subject:Re: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw
>
> Rachel:
>
> I agree with you there have been some problems, on Rhizome Raw, but
>reinstate the Rare like a filtered list, for those who cannot stand the
>heat of Raw, sounds to me, not a way to fix any problem, but a way to avoid
>it,
>running away to a cold place, where are superusers that will filtrate all
>the information: they will protect the "elite" of rhizome, from any
>abuse…
>All the others, burning in the fire! I think that model is the totaly
>opozit
>of
>idea of rhizome (Deleuze/Guattari)!
> Rachel: from my point of view, reinstate the Rare like a filtred list,
>it would be the beginning of the end for rhizome. What about the others,
>whose posts the new Rare will don't accept? What do you say to them? Oh, i
>now: that staf don't correspond to our criteria of selection! What means:
>we
>have this censorship and you are completly impotent against him!
> Wouldn't be better people change their attitudes? People
>can change! And you don't need to strik an attitude.
> I think the "migration" to another place, don't get better this
>place. We have the exemple of the migrations of the populations, from
>Africa, Asia and South America, to North America and Europa and, tell me,
>this phenomena solved the problems world? And you want solved the small
>problems of Raw, with a similar model at what's going on in our World? I
>think that take us into a blind alley! And it would be a shame!
>
> Best regards:
>
> Joao Pedro
> [email protected]
>
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: "Rachel Greene" <[email protected]>
>To: "rhizome" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:03 PM
>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw
>
>
> >
> > Dear Rhizome Raw Subscribers:
> >
> > There have been some serious problems on the list recently. A number of
> > people have been engaging in personal attacks, abusive emails and
> > high-volume posting. We have received many emails from raw subscribers
>who
> > feel frustrated and demoralized by what is seen as an abuse of a
>community
> > resource. We are concerned that Rhizome Raw is no longer able to
>function
> > as an inclusive community resource.
> >
> > We share these feelings of frustration, but find the problem a difficult
> > one to address. While rules and limits can help a public sphere
>function,
> > the policing of public speech is not something to be taken lightly. With
> > one brief exception, Raw has never been moderated. Until recently, Raw
>has
> > somehow managed to function as a total free-for-all, a funky mix of
>serious
> > discourse, banter, announcements, identity pranks, ASCII art and other
> > things. There have always been off-topic posts, but somehow the
>community
> > managed to function without any interference from Rhizome workers.
> >
> > Instead of putting Raw into moderated mode, or unsubscribing people who
> > abuse the list, we propose to reinstate the Rhizome Rare email list as a
> > moderated version of Raw. Previously, Rare consisted of four channels
>that
> > were filtered by an editorial intern. The new Rare would be a single
> > channel that consists of texts selected by superusers. Raw would remain
>an
> > unfiltered list. Those who are tired of the current tenor and activity
>on
> > Raw could migrate to Rare. Those who can take the heat can stay in the
>fire.
> >
> > We'd like to get the new Rhizome Rare going by early October.
> >
> > What do people think about this model?
> >
> > In the meantime, we encourage you to conserve your Rhizome time and
>energy
> > by using the filtering features of your email software.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> >
> >
> > + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php




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, D42 Kandinskij

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Also, 00101010100101.org's sig "you have to subvert yourself first," that
> reminds me of what Death is saying. Is it like a new imperial low-profile
> philosophy outta the Old World?

There is nothing 'imperial' about what I've said or written.

, Tamara LAI

eel needs rock

roast it an good appetite

tl

> De

, Max Herman

I meant, being under the irrefutable condition of empire, Now that we live
in NegriHardt2002-space. Sin preference (without). Luke Skywalker is
imperial.


>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Also, 00101010100101.org's sig "you have to subvert yourself first,"
>that
> > reminds me of what Death is saying. Is it like a new imperial
>low-profile
> > philosophy outta the Old World?
>
> There is nothing 'imperial' about what I've said or written.
>




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, D42 Kandinskij

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> I meant, being under the irrefutable condition of empire, Now that we live
> in NegriHardt2002-space. Sin preference (without). Luke Skywalker is
> imperial.

It's a very chimerical empire. But as all chimeras, the more you fight
it, the stronger it grows. Take care of yourself. The empire rules only
those who buy into it.

Hence the general opportunistic stance to 'bash America' is idiotic–
it only feeds the monster which strengthens its grasp in both
directions–inwardly towards the 'American population' and 'outwardly'
towards other countries.

The battle is for your Self. All else is chimera.

That is not to say that all chimeras are equal–but sans the self
they might as well be.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, Max Herman

You are a very imperious hateful freak though Karei-Grendel.


>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Also, 00101010100101.org's sig "you have to subvert yourself first,"
>that
> > reminds me of what Death is saying. Is it like a new imperial
>low-profile
> > philosophy outta the Old World?
>
> There is nothing 'imperial' about what I've said or written.
>
>+ une dans la gueule, and two for tea !
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, Christopher Fahey

> You are a very imperious hateful freak though Karei-Grendel.

Max Hrothgar!

-Cf

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, D42 Kandinskij

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> You are a very imperious hateful freak though Karei-Grendel.

Wrong again. No hate here.
Don't project your confusion of discernment & 'hate' on me.
I do not 'hate' the trash par example. I'm not about to eat out of it
though.

, portholeaccel

ohhh my god how could i have forgotten perfect GRENDEL good on you!!!!!!!!!!
man that is great
"Christopher Fahey [askrom]" wrote:> You are a very imperious hateful freak though Karei-Grendel.

Max Hrothgar!

-Cf

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, Christopher Fahey

> ohhh my god how could i have forgotten
> perfect GRENDEL good on you!!!!!!!!!!
> man that is great


More mead for all my thanes! To Heorot!

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, D42 Kandinskij

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

Abs. great. watch the pigs debase themselves intheir own shit.
fantastic. They're going to 'make the world a better place'.

, portholeaccel

"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

Abs. great. watch the pigs debase themselves in their own shit.
fantastic. They're going to 'make the world a better place'. while you eat them alive one or three in hand at a time frist the legs or the heads. then he said i feel like i am at the edge of the cliff and nothing is forcing me over the edge over the edge is the abyss and i wispered in his ear you have been in the abyss the whole time and the nothing let up and he turned around siad lets change the program to somthing else. WHAT IS THE SOMTHING ELSE I AM TIRED OF CHITTER CHATTER YAMMERING I WANT ANSWERS. there are no answers we are playing it by ear so to speak or somtimes waiting for some devine answer ……….. NO NO NO YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG THAT ARE NO ANSWERS…………. and he was gone just gone and i went to the next person with the program. order is now underinteragation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

Abs. great. watch the pigs debase themselves in their own shit.
fantastic. They're going to 'make the world a better place'. while you =
eat them alive one or three in hand at a time frist the legs or the heads. =
then he said i feel like i am at the edge of the cliff and nothing is forci=
ng me over the edge over the edge is the abyss and i wispered in his ear yo=
u have been in the abyss the whole time and the nothing let up and he turne=
d around siad lets change the program to somthing else. WHAT IS THE SOMTHIN=
G ELSE I AM TIRED OF CHITTER CHATTER YAMMERING I WANT ANSWERS. there are no=
answers we are playing it by ear so to speak or somtimes waiting for some =
devine answer ……….. NO NO NO YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG THAT ARE NO ANSWER=
S…………. and he was gone just gone and i went to the next person with=
the program. order is now underinteragation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!


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From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
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Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: problems on Rhizome Raw


> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:
>
> meaningless abstract slogans she has no understanding of.
>
> Go pick some raspberries for G2K.
>
>
>
> + une dans la gueule, and two for tea !
> -> post: [email protected]
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>

, D42 Kandinskij

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

meaningless abstract slogans she has no understanding of.

Go pick some raspberries for G2K.