Re: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread thelove)

Manik

Here are a couple good places to start. How can these theories be applied
towards a new ideology. What are the foundations already in place that can
be modified to apply to a new international movement (art/political/etc)

http://www.un.org
http://www.nothingness.org/
http://www.critical-art.net/
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/visfront/vizindex.html
http://www.earth-today.com/

I can only understand in part how our understandings of Revolution differ
and what went on in Belgrade and the rest of the region you live in. I ask
questions to myself about location and what is my part in all of this, an
American artist living in New York City.
As a US Army veteran of the Gulf War. As an Earth First Activist, a Husband.

I think we all must define our locations within ourselves, Where do we
stand, where are we flexable.
I would like to think about this some more and get back to you.
Hows the weather in Belgrade today. It was pretty nice here in NYC. I think
people on the streets are a bit nervous with 911 coming up in a couple days.
I pray nothing happens again.

Talk soon
Cheers
Lee


on 9/9/02 5:31 PM, manik at [email protected] wrote:

Hi Lee,Pedro,
I'm not so glad that you "agree".Insted I realy expect something alse.What
is problem?You agree with what?First of all is to make conversation clear as
it posible."Revolution"!Where?On net.?In art
generaly,world/words,sociaty,economy…What power do we need to make that
word understabile?What's our resource,or where can we find them?What is
object/subject of our atention?I live in very hard place(Belgrade,Serbia)and
so caled "revolution"two years ago was joke.But war and bombing
was'n.There's many levels of understabile "reality".I dont know.For
begining,I sugest something interesting:"Anti-tecnologies of Resistance"from
Alexander Brener&Barbara Schurz-
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors/brenertext.html
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread
thelove)

Manik

I totally agree

Cheers
Lee

on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik at [email protected] wrote:

That's we want:to show endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOLUTION
is key word.But,we wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in generl
way),without make playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "make
revolution".Tricky thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case chat
with Kandiskij was sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This person
was kind of triger for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So,we
dont hate,actualy I like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she is
wery artistic(it's nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this
atempt to make posible dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are goin
to be carefuly listeners.
Best wishies
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Wells <mailto:[email protected]>
To: Joao Pedro <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the love)

Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each other.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive towards
each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I really hate
having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and raves. I
think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.

I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will come
forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution to
plan.

The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee

on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at [email protected] wrote:


—– Original Message —–
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction

Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting each other,
in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the famous
"no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, with a
Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, making
things, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!

Joao Pedro
[email protected]
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Lee Wells wrote:

> Here are a couple good places to start. How can these theories be applied
> towards a new ideology.

Arg?! 'New' ideologies. My hair is standing up real straight,
and curling in all the letters of the sanskrit 'alphabet,'
simultaneously. Ideology is not, never has been, never will be a
substitution for awareness, nor a solution to anything. Yuk.

> What are the foundations already in place that can
> be modified to apply to a new international movement (art/political/etc)

Is this necessary? International mass mob stampede?
Doesn't humanity ever learn?

> I think we all must define our locations within ourselves, Where do we
> stand, where are we flexable.

? Non-flexibility is death and stagnation.
Flexibility is not abrogation of responsibility.
There is no necessity to be 'inflexible'.
The inflexible lacks life, obstructs energy flow, and is broken.

I like trees. They're eminently flexible and marvelously not losing
ground.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

If you were a tree, what would you be?

on 9/10/02 9:48 AM, -IID42 Kandinskij @27+ at [email protected]
wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Lee Wells wrote:
>
>> Here are a couple good places to start. How can these theories be applied
>> towards a new ideology.
>
> Arg?! 'New' ideologies. My hair is standing up real straight,
> and curling in all the letters of the sanskrit 'alphabet,'
> simultaneously. Ideology is not, never has been, never will be a
> substitution for awareness, nor a solution to anything. Yuk.
>
>> What are the foundations already in place that can
>> be modified to apply to a new international movement (art/political/etc)
>
> Is this necessary? International mass mob stampede?
> Doesn't humanity ever learn?
>
>> I think we all must define our locations within ourselves, Where do we
>> stand, where are we flexable.
>
> ? Non-flexibility is death and stagnation.
> Flexibility is not abrogation of responsibility.
> There is no necessity to be 'inflexible'.
> The inflexible lacks life, obstructs energy flow, and is broken.
>
> I like trees. They're eminently flexible and marvelously not losing
> ground.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Lee Wells wrote:

> If you were a tree, what would you be?

I am a tree, and I can't tell you.
Why don't you see for yourself.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42