Dear Kandinskij and List:
I hope that Kandinskij can continue to fight me as he wishes on list, though
he and I ought to keep the number of posts down. I appreciate what he said
about egotism, in myself and others, and how destructive and wasteful it is.
Many of his insults I will keep in my head as reminders, not of his idiocy
(which is little to none) but of idiocy in general.
The concept of force and coercion is a serious one. The US had to coerce
the Taliban out of Afghanistan, as shown on Frontline just now. Often
people have to accept what they do not like. Perhaps Genius 2000 only means
for people to accept what I like (and reject what I do not). It may also
mean that people should reject everything they don't like, especially that
which they should but find too difficult to accept. (Kandinskij has this
dim view of my behavior–that it fosters war and egotistical ignorance.)
Invading Iraq may be a wonderful thing, ugly and painful but necessary, a
case of the USA cleaning up one of its worst Cold War messes. Perhaps the
US ought to be forgiven its crimes during that war.
I thought I saw real fear and insecurity in Bush's face a few days ago, when
he announced he would seek Congress's approval to invade Iraq.
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On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> (Kandinskij has this dim view of my behavior–that it fosters war and
> egotistical ignorance.)
My view on your behavior love is hardly 'dim'–and I didn't say that
your behavior causes war–re-read what I said again.
My posts stated exactly how and why 'you' are contributing to the
causation of war–also your continuous backing off and baseless insults
accompanied by refusal to face things you dislike.
I'll re-state it again: knee-jerking about war and pissing on the world
doesn't change' anything. Only conscious evolution (in whatever form
one chooses, as I'm not insistent on how one does it) would bring you
about knowing 'how' to 'change' anything.
And evenso, you'll realize that the 'world' is in shite state
and continue to be shite unless human beings overall evolve.
The mass of the practical evidence amassed over thousands of years
demonstrates that they'd rather bash and destroy and be 'creative'
by massaccaring anything they touch–be it physically, mentally,
emotionally, or with their 'creative' opinions, and 'creative'
listening and 'creative' interpretations of things.
As long as humans remain as animals, they will be subject to wars.
As time is running out for humans, as the 'world' is moving in its
course, failing to evolve drags humans behind–so they will be subject
to even more violent forces. Passing judgement on wars is simply
senseless–and I am not writing this in order to glorify matters,
as glorious they are far from.
I sincerely do wish that possibly something 'good' will happen for
you out of this 'argument,' however. One can only hope, as one cannot
give another what they don't deserve before they've done their part of
the job, and are ready. I'm sorry if you find that awfully unpopulist,
and I hope also that you'll understand one day that revolutions
are little but popularly-sanctified war, no better and not worse
than bombing Iraq, and that MURDER will never 'save the human story'.
ciao,
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:57:59 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > (Kandinskij has this dim view of my behavior–that it fosters war and
> > egotistical ignorance.)
>
> My view on your behavior love is hardly 'dim'–and I didn't say that
> your behavior causes war–re-read what I said again.
I'm sorry but of course I deleted it. I would accept some kind of
legitimate debate, with a structure, time limits, etc. I don't think the
blasto proliferation is either entertaining our audience, boosting Rhizome's
brand value, or helping us get to the crux. By "dim view" I meant
"unfavorable," not "dumb," it's basic idiom right? As in, "Max takes a dim
view of USA academic humanities." It just means being skeptical and
critical, it doesn't mean the person with the view is dim or stupid or
anything.
>
> My posts stated exactly how and why 'you' are contributing to the
> causation of war–also your continuous backing off and baseless insults
> accompanied by refusal to face things you dislike.
Well, it was baseless of me to call you a Russian arms designer. For me,
"Russian" is not a pejorative, nor arms designer necessarily. I mean we all
gotta do what the society tells us to a degree.
I've had problems, ego-distortions, weaknesses, things that fail to
recommend me, since I was born. My superiors ignore these weaknesses when I
do what they say and when I don't, but do something I think is good that
differs from them, they say I'm crazy/sexually deprived/poorly
endowed/closeted/dangerous/annoying/desperate and worse. So I reject it
when Tom Sherman says I am a fried chicken pervert with no seduction skills
just because I did G2K; he never said that when I was learning and studying
and affirming what he likes. Why was it irrelevant then that I was too
scared to fuck my first best girl in 1986, but all-important when my work
becomes superior to his? Because he's a pig. Yes it still hurts when it
rains; she was beautiful and loved me. It hurt her too. It was a sin.
>
> I'll re-state it again: knee-jerking about war and pissing on the world
> doesn't change' anything.
Obviously war is here and isn't disappearing. I don't knee-jerk about it; I
find that unfair. I felt it was necessary to blast the hell out of the
camps and stashes in Afghanistan. Everyone supported the US too, at least a
large portion. (See Frontline.org, one of my favorite shows.) I have been
pondering and squirming over the impending invasion of Iraq since it became
obviously desired by the Bush/Cheney regime here. I believe that B/C stole
the election of 2000. It was a horrid experience for me.
Rehnquist actually wrote on why minorities deserve less to vote when he was
a young genius. An Arizona or New Mexico Congressman had actually seen
Rehnquist in person delaying Latino voters in the 60's, just like Jim Crow.
My deep fear and revulsion for the American Right is not knee-jerk, unless
my whole life and contemplation since age 11–Reagan's election in '80–has
been one big knee-jerk. I must disagree with such a comment; if I made it
about myself (as I sometimes do when depressed) I know that it is a common
cognitive distortion caused by depression. I think Aaron Beck wrote a book
about it, "labeling" is a characteristic distortion of depression ("I'm no
good," "everyone hates me," "I'm scared of female pubic hair," etc.).
Labeling can be internal and external both.
I do contemplate the value or necessity of war and fascism, even torture. I
don't approve or disapprove without study. In part I see why early
Christian Fathers had to exterminate the Gnostics for their lack of
passivity and eucharism. Or felt they had to, or why things went that way.
I also wish Thomas had been allowed to live his genius and let us judge as
we would. Killing him, his followers, torturing them on crosses or with
whips or however, and burning all his writings–that I judge ill. Thank God
for Nag Hammadi.
I think some people would disagree that I am a knee-jerk hippy tree-hugger
war-hater, and why would I place your writings above theirs? I've
contemplated the USA Civil War Between the States quite a bit. What gave
Lincoln the rhyme or reason to torch the South? I am glad that war was
fought, and that the Union won. It didn't solve everything, no. Innocent
slaveowners and their soldiers yes did suffer bayoneting and festering
musket-wounds. However ultimately I judge the toppling of plantation
feudalism to have been the right choice. It did not purify the USA for all
time–in fact it gave us a whole new set of incredibly difficult problems.
But I judge it to have been the better alternative.
I don't consider all wars the same. I am not a PC acolyte. I relish my own
battle-feeling yes, but not masturbatorily. You yourself said life can be
predatory, the world is rife with predation. I spent many years trying to
define my objections to late 80's and early 90's academic theory. Believe
me or not, but both hippies and conservatives hate me unless I'm their
smiling busboy (which I was for both for awhile, "pouring punch for the
franchise" as Guided By Voices sing in "Blimps Go 90") and not schizoid
bouncing back and forth either.
For example, I know that organic food in its current practice is a luxury
good for self-satisfied rich people who drive SUV's and work for Ecolab and
not a Holy Indulgence for sin. I also know that Reagan and Bush and
deregulation was designed to gut labor and give big corporations a pass.
Still I haven't given up–these evils can be ameliorated and sometimes
solved, even if the proper correctives are frightening, painful, and risky.
Only conscious evolution (in whatever form
> one chooses, as I'm not insistent on how one does it) would bring you
> about knowing 'how' to 'change' anything.
I am perplexed that you consider me so unevolved, so lazy, so unconscious.
Also a bit insulted. You can write it, I can accept your writing, ponder
it, etc. You cannot, a priori I think, know for example what thoughts and
feelings (bodily or cerebral) I have had about Russia, Pyot Veliki, Kutuzov,
Suleiman the Great, or Voina i Mir while studying/reading/perceiving them
and records thereof. Yet you write I have not learned properly. Therefore
I resist your writing.
I write that I do know how to change some things in a very improving way.
You write that I am deluded. As We Go Up We Go Down, also by Guided by
Voices.
Please do not assume my quotation of a garage band is a sign of flabby
vitiation and trendy audience-mongering. Garage music is garage music, folk
poesy, not the voice of God. I have written a couple songs as good as many
GBV songs. "Game of Pricks" is better than "Where Does it Come Down," but
both is best. I went to Syracuse just like Lou Reed, and read Delmore
Schwartz also. My professor was given DS's desk as a perk for tenure, so LR
and I had the same desk between us and our major adviser, though I did not
pose in panties as LR did for DS.
Believe me or not. Contact Harvey Teres at Syracuse and ask him how
superficial and egotistical my studies were under his tutelage. Try Michael
Conlon and Gayle Whittier at SUNY-Binghamton as well if you wish. Maybe
David Beenken at Minneapolis South High. But you won't. So I do it for you
in my crappy dirty bodiless unconscious brainhead. You may also contact
Bruce Golob of the Minneapolis Public Schools, I used to smoke weed before
his class in 1986 (quit weed from June '86, too in love with the wonderful
girl I feared to fuck, through '94). I have heard reports from former
students that Bruce Golob was a sexual predator of his ultra-fuckable female
students, yet this has not been proven in a court of law. Gary Fortier, a
physical education teacher who used to mock me in class for having no
axillary hair at age 14, was later convicted of participating in a child
porn ring. "Poor little faggot, sealed with a kiss" (John Lydon, NYNY,
1979).
And yes you may write that I am merely acting out revenge fantasies against
people who were ill to me and turned out to be child porn lovers. That is
your choice, should you choose to make it, but it is franky (sic) bullshit.
"Merely" would be the wrong word. And yes I have recovered and moved on,
thank God and my first best girl who loved me anyway and gave me hope and
humility.
>
> And evenso, you'll realize that the 'world' is in shite state
> and continue to be shite unless human beings overall evolve.
I write that I agree with you. GBV has a song about it, "My Valuable
Hunting Knife." I am listening to it now. "I'll never know; I'll never
know….I will run and I will, I will hide and I will, I will run and I
will, and I will hide….I'll never know."
"All my dumb luck and all my misgivings
I thrust them aside for the dead and the living
I'm mighty Pro-Jet
I'm Baron von Richtofen."–GBV
>
> The mass of the practical evidence amassed over thousands of years
> demonstrates that they'd rather bash and destroy and be 'creative'
> by massaccaring anything they touch–
"As a fool who makes a thing to mar it"–Robert Browning
be it physically, mentally,
> emotionally, or with their 'creative' opinions, and 'creative'
> listening and 'creative' interpretations of things.
The creativity Tom Sherman tried to learn me is both destructivity and
something far more evil. Hence I do joust with him, and not with polite
blunt practice lances. He is public, I am not a stalker, he must face the
music, and he will. He has. This is one of my achievements. I write that
I feel you have not appreciated my work against exactly the fetid cult of
creativity you describe. You are not required as far as I know to read the
transcripts of the Genius 2000 Video First Edition, though you may at
genius2000.net. I write that I do not wish to blow sunshine up your ass,
though I was writing those transcripts with thoughts of false creativity
regressed into mythic violence and ignorance, the Gnostic Gospels, and the
tutelary conserving deity alloted to persons from birth. I write that I
have no reason to uptake your writings about me whole hog. I would betray
God himself were I to do so. "Were we all treated as we DESERVE, who would
'scape whipping?"–Hamlet.
>
> As long as humans remain as animals, they will be subject to wars.
I write that I find this simplification repellent and a demerit.
> As time is running out for humans,
Alan Hooper, tenured professor of biochemistry at the University of
Minnesota, said in the G2K Video something similar (genius2000.net
transcripts of video). The hacks and cracks tell me that 2000 is just a
number, every year is the same; I insist and enforce that time is indeed
either running out or over. A tightly bounded error-term.
as the 'world' is moving in its
> course, failing to evolve drags humans behind–so they will be subject
> to even more violent forces. Passing judgement on wars is simply
> senseless–and I am not writing this in order to glorify matters,
> as glorious they are far from.
What about passing the judgment to fight in the war, or to pay taxes to pay
for the war, or to shut up even if the war stinks and can be avoided? Not
every war is identical, not every military action is one. Iraq is not
Afghanistan.
Over the years I have received emails seeking my interest in various
high-level research projects and organizations, some abroad. Participating
was not within my means. I write for you not to say "sniff sniff baby." I
weep but I do not grovel.
>
> I sincerely do wish that possibly something 'good' will happen for
> you out of this 'argument,' however. One can only hope, as one cannot
> give another what they don't deserve before they've done their part of
> the job, and are ready.
This is rather balanced of you, I write, and have written massively on the
topic myself, which is in the core of Genius 2000. What of the fact that
many are given what they do not deserve before they are ready, before
they've done any job at all, and have been for 2000 years far more often
than the proper alternative? History does exist and it is an accumulation
of wreckage at the angel's feet (Benjamin).
I'm sorry if you find that awfully unpopulist,
> and I hope also that you'll understand one day that revolutions
> are little but popularly-sanctified war,
May I ask if you ascribe to me a desire for the poor and oppressed to take
their machetes into the suburbs and office towers? I do not. I pay money
and accede to laws and forces whose purpose is to root out and kill or
imprison those who do such.
What do you make of the American War of Independence? Pancho Villa? The
Gang of Four? Lenin? Luther? Napoleon? I cannot see where you draw the
line. My revolution is one of genius against the darkness. I am neither
popular nor populist. You insult my genius.
I find you to be an insular intelligence. Again, I may be in the wrong
league (the bad one), but you are not in it. You or the young people you
know may enjoy the song "True Character" at www.geocities.com/shlagelus in
this regard.
no better and not worse
> than bombing Iraq, and that MURDER will never 'save the human story'.
I write, would you write that Genius 2000 is murderous? Pop Shitbird Justin
Timberlake said of his performativity at the MTV Music Awards that he
"wanted to come out murderin'." G2K is N'Sync's woodkiller.
>
>ciao,
Yeah ciao yourself Dr. Smug. I have met and spoken with Jesse Ventura.
Architect Ralph Rapson admires my Millennium Hut, and not because I suck his
binger or am man enough to come on his stump (Robyn Hitchcock).
Let's talk strategic and tactical realities in the field: you cannot deter
me or Genius 2000; your forces are weaker than mine and shall fail
regardless of that fact; your writing against my holy leadership is bred of
insularity and willful ignorance of my selection. You may write otherwise.
See Henry 4 pts 1 and 2 and Henry 5.
To doubt Max Herman is not a sin, one may wish to write and act. Yet the
hottest place in hell is reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis,
remain neutral (Dante).
And if any should write that they admire T.whid of MTAA, let it be known
that as late as 1999 he was certain that Luther came before Dante, and was
afraid for others on this list to know that he was mistaken. MTAA is the
conservative and popular net.art group that has garnered so much critical
amity. Such embrasure of mediocrity by the critics is one misstep I was
born to redress.
On style: should you and I continue to exchange our defiances Death, I
write that it is best that we post no more than once per day to list in this
vein. CC's to respondents are unnecessary and obnoxious–one post to list
will suffice. The complaints of Ivan and Jess and others are not the prime
reason; rather efficiency and effectiveness.
I've got kiddie pride and night color. Death is out to get me but I'm
fuckin' innocent (Guns and Roses, circa 1985). Take that one to heart.
Max Herman
genius2000.net
ps–Marc Garrett, please re-send your url for the conference to me at
[email protected]. The rest of you may be interested to know Marc's
is the only submission so far. Sept. 15 is the deadline for rolling
submissions.
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Dear Slamdanski,
Do you like Donatello's St. George? Also, do you like or dislike things, or
are you programmed to receive only truth sans dis/like? Can you check out
any time you like but never leave?
I write you are evil and vulgar, and if Brad Brace was a saint I'd do a
rosary right quick. I think he's got some tuna you can't tapdance past, you
dirty lyin' little french toast robot boy.
You reek O Death; the stench of evil surrounds you.
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: josh zeidner <[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:15:14 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, josh zeidner wrote:
>
> > Jesus said, "You see the sliver in your friend's eye,
> > but you don't see the timber in your own eye. When you
> > take the timber out of your own eye, then you will see
> > well enough to remove the sliver from your friend's
> > eye."
> >
> > Gospel of Thomas:26
>
> No kidding. Try that on yourself, babe.
> Cuz if you had followed your own advice,
> you wouldn't have posted the above.
>
>
> As for the quote: I'm perfectly aware of it,
> and in understanding. And I've even said it.
>
> Go play 'wise' elsewhere. You're merely passing judgement.
>
>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: josh zeidner <[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:15:14 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, josh zeidner wrote:
>
> > Jesus said, "You see the sliver in your friend's eye,
> > but you don't see the timber in your own eye. When you
> > take the timber out of your own eye, then you will see
> > well enough to remove the sliver from your friend's
> > eye."
> >
> > Gospel of Thomas:26
>
> No kidding. Try that on yourself, babe.
> Cuz if you had followed your own advice,
> you wouldn't have posted the above.
>
>
> As for the quote: I'm perfectly aware of it,
> and in understanding. And I've even said it.
>
> Go play 'wise' elsewhere. You're merely passing judgement.
>
>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Just kidding, I made it up myself.
Get it?
I thought it was so funny that Karei said "welding man and machine," then
fiercely denied having written the phrase, then got all mooshy that it was
humor.
I am still working on my theory of evil but I think DeathKarei is pretty
much it. He's asymptotically close. An exterminator/survivor.
Can't speak for the rest of you but I would really be depressed if he hadn't
lied, denied, and then tried to wiggle out of it. Because essentially he is
right, no one deserves to live. Humans are toxic waste. Only God's mercy
and grace makes us better than shit.
More labored crapfluff for you to chide Death. All's I know is, watch your
pony. How do you know God's judgment won't blast you all to heck? You say
you know but you LIE. You are the DECEIVER. Even Jesus screamed for God on
the cross.
I guess I never knew what I'd find when I first left Hobbiton.
Shelob!
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, josh zeidner wrote:
> Jesus said, "You see the sliver in your friend's eye,
> but you don't see the timber in your own eye. When you
> take the timber out of your own eye, then you will see
> well enough to remove the sliver from your friend's
> eye."
>
> Gospel of Thomas:26
No kidding. Try that on yourself, babe.
Cuz if you had followed your own advice,
you wouldn't have posted the above.
As for the quote: I'm perfectly aware of it,
and in understanding. And I've even said it.
Go play 'wise' elsewhere. You're merely passing judgement.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Jesus said, "You see the sliver in your friend's eye,
but you don't see the timber in your own eye. When you
take the timber out of your own eye, then you will see
well enough to remove the sliver from your friend's
eye."
Gospel of Thomas:26
— Max Herman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
> <[email protected]>
> >To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
> >CC: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:57:59 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> >
> > > (Kandinskij has this dim view of my
> behavior–that it fosters war and
> > > egotistical ignorance.)
> >
> > My view on your behavior love is hardly
> 'dim'–and I didn't say that
> > your behavior causes war–re-read what I said
> again.
>
> I'm sorry but of course I deleted it. I would
> accept some kind of
> legitimate debate, with a structure, time limits,
> etc. I don't think the
> blasto proliferation is either entertaining our
> audience, boosting Rhizome's
> brand value, or helping us get to the crux. By "dim
> view" I meant
> "unfavorable," not "dumb," it's basic idiom right?
> As in, "Max takes a dim
> view of USA academic humanities." It just means
> being skeptical and
> critical, it doesn't mean the person with the view
> is dim or stupid or
> anything.
>
> >
> > My posts stated exactly how and why 'you' are
> contributing to the
> > causation of war–also your continuous backing
> off and baseless insults
> > accompanied by refusal to face things you
> dislike.
>
> Well, it was baseless of me to call you a Russian
> arms designer. For me,
> "Russian" is not a pejorative, nor arms designer
> necessarily. I mean we all
> gotta do what the society tells us to a degree.
>
> I've had problems, ego-distortions, weaknesses,
> things that fail to
> recommend me, since I was born. My superiors ignore
> these weaknesses when I
> do what they say and when I don't, but do something
> I think is good that
> differs from them, they say I'm crazy/sexually
> deprived/poorly
> endowed/closeted/dangerous/annoying/desperate and
> worse. So I reject it
> when Tom Sherman says I am a fried chicken pervert
> with no seduction skills
> just because I did G2K; he never said that when I
> was learning and studying
> and affirming what he likes. Why was it irrelevant
> then that I was too
> scared to fuck my first best girl in 1986, but
> all-important when my work
> becomes superior to his? Because he's a pig. Yes
> it still hurts when it
> rains; she was beautiful and loved me. It hurt her
> too. It was a sin.
>
> >
> > I'll re-state it again: knee-jerking about war
> and pissing on the world
> > doesn't change' anything.
>
> Obviously war is here and isn't disappearing. I
> don't knee-jerk about it; I
> find that unfair. I felt it was necessary to blast
> the hell out of the
> camps and stashes in Afghanistan. Everyone
> supported the US too, at least a
> large portion. (See Frontline.org, one of my
> favorite shows.) I have been
> pondering and squirming over the impending invasion
> of Iraq since it became
> obviously desired by the Bush/Cheney regime here. I
> believe that B/C stole
> the election of 2000. It was a horrid experience
> for me.
>
> Rehnquist actually wrote on why minorities deserve
> less to vote when he was
> a young genius. An Arizona or New Mexico
> Congressman had actually seen
> Rehnquist in person delaying Latino voters in the
> 60's, just like Jim Crow.
> My deep fear and revulsion for the American Right is
> not knee-jerk, unless
> my whole life and contemplation since age
> 11–Reagan's election in '80–has
> been one big knee-jerk. I must disagree with such a
> comment; if I made it
> about myself (as I sometimes do when depressed) I
> know that it is a common
> cognitive distortion caused by depression. I think
> Aaron Beck wrote a book
> about it, "labeling" is a characteristic distortion
> of depression ("I'm no
> good," "everyone hates me," "I'm scared of female
> pubic hair," etc.).
> Labeling can be internal and external both.
>
> I do contemplate the value or necessity of war and
> fascism, even torture. I
> don't approve or disapprove without study. In part
> I see why early
> Christian Fathers had to exterminate the Gnostics
> for their lack of
> passivity and eucharism. Or felt they had to, or
> why things went that way.
> I also wish Thomas had been allowed to live his
> genius and let us judge as
> we would. Killing him, his followers, torturing
> them on crosses or with
> whips or however, and burning all his writings–that
> I judge ill. Thank God
> for Nag Hammadi.
>
> I think some people would disagree that I am a
> knee-jerk hippy tree-hugger
> war-hater, and why would I place your writings above
> theirs? I've
> contemplated the USA Civil War Between the States
> quite a bit. What gave
> Lincoln the rhyme or reason to torch the South? I
> am glad that war was
> fought, and that the Union won. It didn't solve
> everything, no. Innocent
> slaveowners and their soldiers yes did suffer
> bayoneting and festering
> musket-wounds. However ultimately I judge the
> toppling of plantation
> feudalism to have been the right choice. It did not
> purify the USA for all
> time–in fact it gave us a whole new set of
> incredibly difficult problems.
> But I judge it to have been the better alternative.
>
> I don't consider all wars the same. I am not a PC
> acolyte. I relish my own
> battle-feeling yes, but not masturbatorily. You
> yourself said life can be
> predatory, the world is rife with predation. I
> spent many years trying to
> define my objections to late 80's and early 90's
> academic theory. Believe
> me or not, but both hippies and conservatives hate
> me unless I'm their
> smiling busboy (which I was for both for awhile,
> "pouring punch for the
> franchise" as Guided By Voices sing in "Blimps Go
> 90") and not schizoid
> bouncing back and forth either.
>
> For example, I know that organic food in its current
> practice is a luxury
> good for self-satisfied rich people who drive SUV's
> and work for Ecolab and
> not a Holy Indulgence for sin. I also know that
> Reagan and Bush and
> deregulation was designed to gut labor and give big
> corporations a pass.
> Still I haven't given up–these evils can be
> ameliorated and sometimes
> solved, even if the proper correctives are
> frightening, painful, and risky.
>
> Only conscious evolution (in whatever form
> > one chooses, as I'm not insistent on how one
> does it) would bring you
> > about knowing 'how' to 'change' anything.
>
> I am perplexed that you consider me so unevolved, so
> lazy, so unconscious.
> Also a bit insulted. You can write it, I can accept
> your writing, ponder
> it, etc. You cannot, a priori I think, know for
> example what thoughts and
> feelings (bodily or cerebral) I have had about
> Russia, Pyot Veliki, Kutuzov,
> Suleiman the Great, or Voina i Mir while
> studying/reading/perceiving them
> and records thereof. Yet you write I have not
> learned properly. Therefore
> I resist your writing.
>
> I write that I do know how to change some things in
> a
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> "If one's government is evil but strong, the moral man will deny the evil,
> work for strength, and pray for good."–Winston Churchill
Winston Churchil. The man who said 'There will be no war in Europe'.
Churchill is a moron, and his words are meaningless political
propaganda. Btrwtdgf adhsgashgdhad.
Again, you're simply shifting lexical stuff around.
Look, it can balance a ball on its nose. How grand.
No master in your house, Max Herman.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> Do you like Donatello's St. George?
P.
Also, do you like or dislike things,
D.
> or are you programmed to receive only truth sans dis/like?
I am not programmed, love. Liking and disliking is programmatic
behavior.
> I write you are evil and vulgar,
I am 'evil' and 'vulgar'. But I know what these words mean, unlike you.
And they're hardly 'uncivilized' or 'unintelligent'. While your behavior
is.
> I think he's got some tuna you can't tapdance past, you dirty lyin' little french toast robot boy.
Do that yourself.
> You reek O Death; the stench of evil surrounds you.
Speaking about yourself again–baby.
How much longer are you going to continue attempting to self-
aggrandize in such a manner?
I am hardly a robot, luv. But you are an empty chattering brain.
You're blind as a bat, can't make a direct observation to save your
life, when poked, you're hollow and all sorts of filth and bats
spew out-ah. Even the hollowest nut wants to be cracked.
You lost the 'game' a long time ago, Max.
Out of coins.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, josh zeidner wrote:
> I am getting the impression that you did not like
> my post.
I wouldn't know why, I neither did nor didn't.
> Although I have not followed the history of
> your crucifixion on rhizome,
There is no 'crucifiction' going on.
Mine, no less? I'm not even visible.
I'm afraid youhave no clu what 'crucifixion'
is, and what the Crucifixion was.
I don't suffer from desire to be 'crucified'
and any such impulses in contemporary humans,
as explified by Max Herman is an impulse to
fixate in the Ego and murder.
Hence I bother with him.
> I was, for a brief time the lead character
> in the same story. The ending is pretty lame, but I
> wont ruin it for you.
Sorry baby. I'm not you. And it's not the same story.
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:44:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > "If one's government is evil but strong, the moral man will deny the
>evil,
> > work for strength, and pray for good."–Winston Churchill
Ah, tricked ya Kandinskij; see, WC didn't say that, I just made it up out of
fresh cloth, new cloth, whole cloth.
I would prefer to be more remembered as a fighting intelligence than a
loving one.
And I have been figuring other figures, some unprinted, no one to read them
after all correct.
>
> Winston Churchil. The man who said 'There will be no war in Europe'.
>
> Churchill is a moron, and his words are meaningless political
> propaganda. Btrwtdgf adhsgashgdhad.
Moron moron moron. Global capital machine energy is not a living being.
>
> Again, you're simply shifting lexical stuff around.
> Look, it can balance a ball on its nose. How grand.
Whatting lexical what around? Oh right. The Gift Outright.
>
> No master in your house, Max Herman.
"For he who does not fight for his country will fight against his
country"–Winston Churchill.
>
You wanna talk alien farfu AI chemical brain or personal diaperware?
>
If you visit a museum today, think about G2K while you're there!
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
It's all good in the 'hood, problem is, there ain't no 'hood!
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Monstrous indifference Manik as though people have become machines? I would
like to hear more of this theory. The monstrosity/abomination/executionist
theory of indifference you describe.
'68 tactics won't work because nothing will work.
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> I'm sorry but of course I deleted it.
Of course.
> I would accept some kind of legitimate debate, with a structure, time limits, etc.
I don't debate. I don't care for your structures, nor time limits.
I do understand your impulses, and I'm not interested.
Not because I find them derogatory or controling, by the way.
> I don't think the blasto proliferation
This is not what I am doing.
> is either entertaining our audience,
I don't care for 'entertaining the audience'.
> boosting Rhizome's brand value,
I don't care about 'boosting Rhizome's brand value'.
> or helping us get to the crux.
I am not you, and there is no us. Avoid blanketing me under your 'us'
and proceeding to dictate my behavior thereafter.
> By "dim view" I meant "unfavorable,"
It isn't 'dim' 'favorable' or 'unfavorable'.
> not "dumb," it's basic idiom right?
Possibly. But not one I subscribe to. I don't care for degenerate
language structures. I ignored it purposefully. I'm not interested
in the pseudo-lexical and sign+citation shuffling that passes on
as oral and to make it even worse-written 'languij' these days.
> As in, "Max takes a dim view of USA academic humanities." It just means being skeptical and
> critical,
I am not 'skeptical' or 'critical,' and I find skepticism
and criticism to be laughably inadequate tools. Note that I'm
not advocating blind belief and non-discrimination. I am simply
rejecting those two as tools.
> it doesn't mean the person with the view is dim or stupid or
> anything.
Never implied or thought so. I don't read your surface.
Explaining the surface to me is not going to lead anywhere.
Language is not surface. It's a wrapper.
> Well, it was baseless of me to call you a Russian arms designer.
But I have been.
> For me, "Russian" is not a pejorative,
Russian is like American. I'd like to see them Russians.
I never met one American in all of my time in the US.
It's a manipulation trick, just like the idea of
one kind of Americans. A mindfuck from their goverment,
to the population–with love. Specifically, while
the US claims_ all-tolerance and acceptance, Russia
doesn't. It's an assimilation machine that chews them
all up, and spits out: Russians. It's also a nice trick,
as they always pose sa the 'nice' and 'moral' guys.
The West is Evil. Must be made like Russia. Ahem.
The term Russian is_ pejorative.
> nor arms designer necessarily.
The problem was not with your word-masking, love.
> I mean we all gotta do what the society tells us to a degree.
No 'we' don't. There is no 'we'. This is a meaningless construct.
Society is a hallucinatory construct–and at this point it's
a chimera with which unintelligent identification is likely
to bring humanity to its end.
> I've had problems, ego-distortions, weaknesses, things that fail to
> recommend me, since I was born.
Certainy. It'd be a rare human being born ego-less. Rare, indeed.
There is nothing accusatory in my tone when I speak of your ego.
> My superiors ignore these weaknesses when I do what they say
> and when I don't, but do something I think is good that
> differs from them, they say I'm crazy/sexually deprived/poorly
> endowed/closeted/dangerous/annoying/desperate and worse.
Sounds like G2K :)
> So I reject it when Tom Sherman says I am a fried chicken pervert with no seduction skills
> just because I did G2K;
> he never said that when I was learning and studying and affirming what he likes.
> Why was it irrelevant then that I was too scared to fuck my first best girl in 1986,
> but all-important when my work becomes superior to his? Because he's a pig.
> Yes it still hurts when it rains;
> she was beautiful and loved me. It hurt her too. It was a
> sin.
I have no intention on commenting on Tom Sherman.
Plus you're whoring yourself and that said girl
for pity and self-righteousness and martyrdom,
yuk.
> I must disagree with such a comment; if I made it
> about myself (as I sometimes do when depressed) I know that it is a common
> cognitive distortion caused by depression.
No, that's nonsense. Depression is actually natural and perfectly
desirable and your impulses are correct. The idea is that youmust get
yourself out of it sans drugs.
> I think Aaron Beck wrote a book
> about it, "labeling" is a characteristic distortion of depression ("I'm no
> good," "everyone hates me," "I'm scared of female pubic hair," etc.).
> Labeling can be internal and external both.
Er, no. Labeling is something else.
> I do contemplate the value or necessity of war and fascism, even torture. I
> don't approve or disapprove without study.
Study will never give you real understanding.
> In part I see why early Christian Fathers had to exterminate the
> Gnostics for their lack of passivity and eucharism.
The Gnostics did not lack eucharism–they had_ it. Unlike
the Christian Fathers. And no the Christian fathers had no reason
whatsoever besides cuckoo madness.
> I also wish Thomas had been allowed to live his genius and let us judge as
> we would. Killing him, his followers, torturing them on crosses or with
> whips or however, and burning all his writings–that I judge ill.
That's not 'judgement.' Judgement is an attribute of 'action'–
as in affecting the world directly. You're 'thinking' and
'feeling'–all passive.
> Thank God for Nag Hammadi.
> I think some people would disagree that I am a knee-jerk hippy tree-hugger
> war-hater, and why would I place your writings above theirs?
I find this whole idea of placing stuff above and below quizzical.
> You yourself said life can be predatory, the world is rife with predation.
The universe is a predator. A predator is not a victimizer and a bully,
though.
> I spent many years trying to
> define my objections to late 80's and early 90's academic theory. Believe
> me or not, but both hippies and conservatives hate me unless I'm their
> smiling busboy (which I was for both for awhile, "pouring punch for the
> franchise" as Guided By Voices sing in "Blimps Go 90") and not schizoid
> bouncing back and forth either.
Humans like their egos. They'd crucify you over it.
Hence I comment on your martyr impulse. Allyou'll end up is a victim to
their egos. This doesn't change the world.
> For example, I know that organic food in its current practice is a luxury
> good for self-satisfied rich people who drive SUV's and work for Ecolab and
> not a Holy Indulgence for sin. I also know that Reagan and Bush and
> deregulation was designed to gut labor and give big corporations a pass.
> Still I haven't given up–these evils can be ameliorated and sometimes
> solved, even if the proper correctives are frightening, painful, and risky.
As far as you're concerned, there is no good and evil.
> I am perplexed that you consider me so unevolved, so lazy, so unconscious.
> Also a bit insulted. You can write it, I can accept your writing, ponder
> it, etc.
I don't consider. I observe.
> You cannot, a priori I think, know for example what thoughts and
> feelings (bodily or cerebral) I have had about Russia, Pyot Veliki, Kutuzov,
> Suleiman the Great, or Voina i Mir while studying/reading/perceiving them
> and records thereof.
Because your thoughts and 'perceptions' are not valid.
I can know whether you're reacting like someone conscious or not,
regardles of your 'thoughts'.
> Yet you write I have not learned properly.
You haven't.
> Therefore I resist your writing.
As you would.
> I write that I do know how to change some things in a very improving way.
> You write that I am deluded. As We Go Up We Go Down, also by Guided by
> Voices.
You are. I don't expect you to take my word for it.
> Please do not assume my quotation of a garage band is a sign of flabby
> vitiation and trendy audience-mongering.
I don't.
> Garage music is garage music, folk poesy, not the voice of God.
Er–it's not folk poetry. Besides proper folk poetry 'was'
the voice of God.
> Believe me or not. Contact Harvey Teres at Syracuse and ask him how
> superficial and egotistical my studies were under his tutelage. Try Michael
> Conlon and Gayle Whittier at SUNY-Binghamton as well if you wish. Maybe
> David Beenken at Minneapolis South High. But you won't.
I won't. University education is no good.
These people are not qualified teachers, they're parrots with
a bunch of papers. And they've taught you to be like them.
> The creativity Tom Sherman tried to learn me is both destructivity and
> something far more evil. Hence I do joust with him, and not with polite
> blunt practice lances. He is public, I am not a stalker, he must face the
> music, and he will. He has. This is one of my achievements.
You destroy yourself, however.
> > As long as humans remain as animals, they will be subject to wars.
>
> I write that I find this simplification repellent and a demerit.
This is not a simplification. It's a law.
Whether you understand this–or not.
Certainly, conscious humans can balance it out,
but only by awareness–not by denial.
> > As time is running out for humans,
>
> Alan Hooper, tenured professor of biochemistry at the University of
> Minnesota, said in the G2K Video something similar (genius2000.net
> transcripts of video). The hacks and cracks tell me that 2000 is just a
> number, every year is the same; I insist and enforce that time is indeed
> either running out or over. A tightly bounded error-term.
It's both.
> What about passing the judgment to fight in the war, or to pay taxes to pay
> for the war, or to shut up even if the war stinks and can be avoided? Not
> every war is identical, not every military action is one. Iraq is not
> Afghanistan.
No. But the impulses and laws governing such events are.
You confuse static with same. I speak of laws which are absolute,
timeless (and in that sense permanent), fluid and flexible yet
not relative. Vibration outside of time.
> Over the years I have received emails seeking my interest in various
> high-level research projects and organizations, some abroad. Participating
> was not within my means. I write for you not to say "sniff sniff baby." I
> weep but I do not grovel.
As long as you don't weep in self-pity and martyrdom.
> This is rather balanced of you, I write, and have written massively on the
> topic myself, which is in the core of Genius 2000. What of the fact that
> many are given what they do not deserve before they are ready, before
> they've done any job at all, and have been for 2000 years far more often
> than the proper alternative?
No–there are no such people 'given' before they're ready.
You confuse delusions and illusions of power, as well as likely
judgements of people 'in power' that you find unjust, immoral,
objectionable, and unfair as 'power' given without due work.
Not sure if you read my post to Eryk–but I explained,
as far as words can go, that Power destroys those who
attempt to 'take' it–because it does not belong to them,
and it destroys those who who have it and abuse it.
Power is a pitiless mistress, and absolutely gorgeous.
Destroys those who fall for her charms too (cf. NN–
and I don't say this to 'bash' her). Nevermind that
Power(s) are one and many, and simultaneously absolute,
and souvereign, and not equal either.
So in other words, it's your duty to find 'it'–and
then to learn it–being the master and the servant
simultaneously. It acts souvereignly, and it changes the world
by itself. And this will not happen to everyone–
and that's fine too. Hence I insist again–that personal
evolution would be the only thing 'changing' the world.
The knee-jerk 'fighting against power' if illusory
is a waste of energy, if real power brings destruction to humanity.
> History does exist and it is an accumulation
> of wreckage at the angel's feet (Benjamin).
I enjoy this–but only since the angel-master of humans, incarnated
as one named Benjamin to establish an order of Truth.
> May I ask if you ascribe to me a desire for the poor and oppressed to take
> their machetes into the suburbs and office towers?
Ne.
> I do not. I pay money and accede to laws and forces whose purpose is
> to root out and kill or imprison those who do such.
But these laws are fraudulent, and only cause cacophonous noise.
> What do you make of the American War of Independence?
I don't know yet. I haven't seen it–only glimpses.
Enough to know that the US & NAmerica are genuinely unique,
and to be aware that there are very strong presences working
in certain areas. I don't understand it fully, so I can't comment.
> Lenin?
Lenin is an emptome of 'populist' power to the people abuse.
A sub-intelligent hick. But this is ingrained in Russian mentality–
as they know that intelligence these days is a fragile brain–
and an illusion. So they bow down to the 'lower nature' and
sabbotage brain-obsessed people by making them fall prey to their lower
natures. The 'Russians' themselves are some of the spiritually
lowerst humans currently existing–due to their own fucking around
and debasing attitude, and much of this East vs West attitude is a
tremendous attempt to 'debase' humans as a whole to their state.
It's revolting–and this is not my opinion. Lenin is like a
cartoon character epitomising these things.
> Luther?
As in the church person?
> Napoleon?
I'm also dubious of Napoleon. Unlike Lenin, and like Hitler, he had_
something. But you don't seem to hear me saying that those figures
are subject to forces outside of time: history is the show that
the 'ones in darkness' are entertained with. I haven't done enough
investigation about Napoleon to know more than snippets.
> I cannot see where you draw the line.
I'm npt sure this applies to 'me' at all.
> My revolution is one of genius against the darkness.
Genius is an erroneous concept afaik. And even if I grant you
genius, you think about the fight–only.
> I am neither popular nor populist. You insult my genius.
Taken out of context.
> I find you to be an insular intelligence.
That's meaningless. There is no 'insular intelligence'.
> Again, I may be in the wrong league (the bad one), but you are not in it.
There are no 'leagues'.
> You or the young people you
> know may enjoy the song "True Character" at www.geocities.com/shlagelus in
> this regard.
No, thanks.
> I write, would you write that Genius 2000 is murderous?
It is.
> Yeah ciao yourself Dr. Smug.
Smug? Oh-la-la. You're reacting :)
> I have met and spoken with Jesse Ventura.
Chuckle. So have I. Your reaction reminded me of mine about
7 years ago. I wanted to punch him in the face. And go to
the press. I had all sort of self-righteous feelings.
It must have been pretty funny.
> Let's talk strategic and tactical realities in the field:
You don't know anything about these things.
> you cannot deter
> me or Genius 2000; your forces are weaker than mine and shall fail
> regardless of that fact;
I am not interested in 'deterring' you. Nothing can deterr
a human who wants to jump from a cliff and thinks it has good
reasons for it.
> To doubt Max Herman is not a sin, one may wish to write and act. Yet the
> hottest place in hell is reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis,
> remain neutral (Dante).
That's nonsense.
> I've got kiddie pride and night color. Death is out to get me but I'm
> fuckin' innocent (Guns and Roses, circa 1985). Take that one to heart.
Death is out to get you, and you're innocent?
As I've been known to say: Jesus is hunting rabbits.
A fisher of men, and a hunter of souls.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> Ah, tricked ya Kandinskij; see, WC didn't say that, I just made it up out of
> fresh cloth, new cloth, whole cloth.
No, you tricked yourself. I simply do not 'play your game'.
The monkey always delights in the tricks it performs.
> I would prefer to be more remembered as a fighting intelligence than a
> loving one.
Good for you.
> And I have been figuring other figures, some unprinted, no one to read them
> after all correct.
As above.
> Moron moron moron. Global capital machine energy is not a living being.
Absolutely it is. More living than you.
> Whatting lexical what around? Oh right. The Gift Outright.
The brain delights in tricks.
> "For he who does not fight for his country will fight against his
> country"–Winston Churchill.
More nonsense.
> You wanna talk alien farfu AI chemical brain or personal diaperware?
Ne.
> If you visit a museum today, think about G2K while you're there!
No, thank you. But I'd like you to address the highly 'moral'
stance of using war to propagate G2K, and comment on war as
a righteous propagation of what you'd call 'memes'.
Allo, baby. You're part of die war machine.
xo
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
> No, thank you. But I'd like you to address the highly 'moral'
> stance of using war to propagate G2K, and comment on war as
> a righteous propagation of what you'd call 'memes'.
No time today, gotta clean the garage more. Excellent requests though. I
like you but not as a whore.
>
> Allo, baby. You're part of die war machine.
I like you quite. Healthy. New book today says "genius" from "genero" (to
birth) and "salvia"=healthy.
>
> xo
>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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>From: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>CC: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:49:12 -0500
>
>
>
>
>> No, thank you. But I'd like you to address the highly 'moral'
>> stance of using war to propagate G2K
War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. War doesn't propagate
anything. I don't use war. Don't ascribe high morality to me you dirty
labeler chillydip beach blanket binger.
, and comment on war as
>> a righteous propagation of what you'd call 'memes'.
"Memes" is not one of my words. I learn it like which fork for salad. For
the company. Do not ascribe "war," "righteous," and "propagation" to me. I
don't call them "memes" and never have. You are unjust. Spluttering
universal predatory automaton.
Predation is not depradation, I like talking to you. I like you. "Walkin'
hand in hand"–Skid Row
Turning and turning in the widening gyre, perne in a gyre, and be the
singing-masters of my soul. Consume my heart away; sick with desire and
fastened to a dying animal it knows not what it is, and gather me into the
artifice of eternity. Once out of nature I shall never take my bodily form
from any natural thing, but such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make, of
hammered gold and gold enamelling, to keep a drowsy emperor awake, or set
upon a golden bough to sing to lords and ladies of Byzantium of what is
past, or passing, or to come.
>
>No time today, gotta clean the garage more. Excellent requests though. I
>like you but not as a whore.
>
>>
>> Allo, baby. You're part of die war machine.
There is no me, this is no country for old men. The salmon falls, the
mackerel-crowded seas, fish flesh and fowl commend all summer long whatever
is begotten, born, and dies. Therefore I have sailed the seas and come to
the holy city of Byzantium.
O sages standing in God's holy fire, as in the gold mosaic of a wall, come
from the holy fire.
>
>I like you quite. Healthy. New book today says "genius" from "genero" (to
>birth) and "salvia"=healthy.
>
>>
>> xo
>>
>>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> No time today,
Tomorrow is too late.
> gotta clean the garage more.
Too bad.
> Excellent requests though.
Not at all. Commentary on your ideological opportunism.
The latter doesn't occur in sexually healthy, developed
human beings. Let me 'explain' it for you:
War is an abuse of people's psycho-sexual impulses.
It sells them 'kitsch,' in return for their energy.
Memetics and expounding of, is tricking people's
psycho-sexual impulses even more directly, abusing
identification of sexuality with the reproductive organs,
and taking advantage of sexual immaturity.
Instead of development, it 'teaches' brain-based
control and manipulation. Again: evidence of
what you do. Hence your reactionary 'smack'
with destructive intention–ro my other comment–
which was very a propos about conscious relation to people.
Also your failure to understand religion properly.
Also your failure to understand that being pro- or against-
'war' is the same.
Also your failure to understand that memetics is about
as valid as the local street preacher's rabid frothing
about the second coming of Jesus and the apocalypse.
> I like you but not as a whore.
Actually that's exactly the way you like people, Max.
You lack the ability to relate to others in other terms.
You relate to them as a farmer–and your contact with
them is little but either cajoling or attempt at
rape.
Like hearing this or not, but you are sexually inept.
> I like you quite. Healthy.
No, you don't. And keep your 'intentions' off.
> New book today says "genius" from "genero" (to birth)
> and "salvia"=healthy.
Er, right. Spare me the masturbatory ejaculation over your keyboard.
The above is complete nonsense. And your G2K 'memetics' is not
going to find any 'fertile soil' anywhere besides in your
deluded imagination.
The world–nor any human being needs your 'improving' touch.
The paragraphs I wrote re: that are valid.
G2K is little but your attempts to 'dis-seminate' your ego.
Go reproduce, sheep.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.
Right.
> War doesn't propagate anything.
But it does.
> I don't use war.
You do. All that your wanking posing about this war.
But you're not alone. See my other post. Expenditure
of sexual energy into non-creativity.
> Don't ascribe high morality to me you dirty
I don't. I wrote 'moral'. You have no high morality.
> "Memes" is not one of my words. I learn it like which fork for salad.
I have an e-mail saying the opposite: that if I understood memes,
I'd understand why G2K is genius, and willchange the world.
> the company. Do not ascribe "war," "righteous," and "propagation" to me.
I am not 'ascribing'. They're applicable to what you do with G2K.
> don't call them "memes" and never have.
I never implied that. I was referring to your prior-displayed
and still active belief in memetics. We can drop the memetics
if you like. I'm perfectly fine showing you what you do without the
term.
> You are unjust.
Ne.
> Spluttering .. automaton.
=your brain=you.
> Predation is not depradation, I like talking to you. I like you. "Walkin'
> hand in hand"–Skid Row
No, you don't.
> There is no me,
That's true. But your body is. That is what I meant by 'you'.
My apologies if that wasn't clear.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > No time today,
>
> Tomorrow is too late.
>
> > gotta clean the garage more.
>
> Too bad.
>
> > Excellent requests though.
>
> Not at all. Commentary on your ideological opportunism.
> The latter doesn't occur in sexually healthy, developed
> human beings. Let me 'explain' it for you:
>
> War is an abuse of people's psycho-sexual impulses.
> It sells them 'kitsch,' in return for their energy.
> Memetics and expounding of, is tricking people's
> psycho-sexual impulses even more directly, abusing
> identification of sexuality with the reproductive organs,
> and taking advantage of sexual immaturity.
>
> Instead of development, it 'teaches' brain-based
> control and manipulation. Again: evidence of
> what you do. Hence your reactionary 'smack'
> with destructive intention–ro my other comment–
> which was very a propos about conscious relation to people.
>
> Also your failure to understand religion properly.
>
> Also your failure to understand that being pro- or against-
> 'war' is the same.
>
> Also your failure to understand that memetics is about
> as valid as the local street preacher's rabid frothing
> about the second coming of Jesus and the apocalypse.
>
> > I like you but not as a whore.
>
> Actually that's exactly the way you like people, Max.
Fabulous. "Max Herman is a pimp who only likes whores", says Kandinskij.
Don't deny you said it!
> You lack the ability to relate to others in other terms.
> You relate to them as a farmer–and your contact with
> them is little but either cajoling or attempt at
> rape.
>
> Like hearing this or not, but you are sexually inept.
>
> > I like you quite. Healthy.
>
> No, you don't. And keep your 'intentions' off.
>
> > New book today says "genius" from "genero" (to birth)
> > and "salvia"=healthy.
>
> Er, right. Spare me the masturbatory ejaculation over your keyboard.
> The above is complete nonsense. And your G2K 'memetics' is not
> going to find any 'fertile soil' anywhere besides in your
> deluded imagination.
>
> The world–nor any human being needs your 'improving' touch.
>
> The paragraphs I wrote re: that are valid.
>
> G2K is little but your attempts to 'dis-seminate' your ego.
>
> Go reproduce, sheep.
>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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Big mojo tumbling down like donkey falling on a dusty road. Me wonder whose
cucumber is more ripe and ready for the eating.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Did you rest on the 7th day and see everything as good? IT IS THE LAW.
HUMANITY WILL END.
I see 4 bright lights and 7 dim lights in the darkness, there are shadows
moving which I know are people looking at me while I type under a canopy with a
towel on my head.
I can't spell either.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Jesus, somebody can finally tell me what evil and vulgar mean. I hear them all
the time.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
But his watercolors had some real stuff going for them…wait that was Daniel
Day Lewis, no Emile Nolde, no…I forget this stuff.
Spirit, guts, determination, courage, all those damn silly words…too bad
people heed them.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Yes I am. I just wrote myself a certificate of authority to judge any and all
> actions by Kandinskij or any other person of total understanding.
Your certificate is meaningless.
Your behavior—iddiotic, egotistical, and irresponsible.
Scribble all you please–but that has no effect on your ability.
> How do you cook your breakfast?
I have Nepalese virgins to do that for me.
> > Unlike you, I do understand.
>
> Mister Understanding
Gibberish.
> Said the redneck farmer as he shot the dog.
You're talking about yourself. I don't share your murderous
inclinations.
> I just ammended my certificate to allow me to pass blind judgement as well.
And?
> I know you are but what am I.
Ne.
> What? I didn't hear you.
True.
> Ooh, Ooh - he is name calling!!! You are so insecure.
No. Calling you what is appropriate is not name calling.
And I am not insecure–you're a dictatorial brain monkey.
It would be nice if you could call insecure anyone
who said unpleasant things about you, won't it?
That way you have a nice security blanket and never
have to face your idiocy. Oh la la. Sweet dreams.
> Poor dear.
Brain-chatter-obsessed ape.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> > Good for you. Anything else?
>
> winning hearts.
Mating / self-reflection obsessed ape.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Quoting Max Herman <[email protected]>:
>
>
> Shit man I can't get it out of my head that he's right. Maybe not about you
> all but about me and pimp/whore stagnation on my part, masochistic martyrdom
> via vainglory, and fascism/control obsession.
>
He is like a fortune teller, who uses common themes to get people to believe
they have insight. It is not hard to figure out that everybody has back pains,
have had a death in the family, and are missing something.
He takes pot-shots with different categories of stereotyped complexes, hoping
something will hurt. So what? Who is perfect? Learn to go towards the center
in your behavior, live the moment, and think of a positive way to a good
future.
If you believe, (as I), that the powers that be (hawks) have gained too much
power away from center, then we must make positive actions (or perhaps positive
myth expressions) to be part of the corrective centering.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Shit man I can't get it out of my head that he's right. Maybe not about you
all but about me and pimp/whore stagnation on my part, masochistic martyrdom
via vainglory, and fascism/control obsession.
Reminds me of "Spartacus" and "For A Few Dollars More"–the luciferian
bandit/powerfreak rapes the girl (tries/does respectively) to justify his
own vision of self-genius.
FAFDM was really a freakshow to watch. All this homoerotic prison-rape
stuff, a Russ Meyerish landlady, a couple of subShakespearean comic scene
(like the old guy condemning trains). But the character of Indio, the
rapist/peyote-smoking bandit with a Napoleon complex, was very moralistic.
He has a beard and really is a Bin Laden type.
IN Spartacus Olivier tries to take Kirk's wife by force of threat, but the
doomed republican Gracchus frees her. Olivier tries to woo her, not wanting
to "violate Rome at the very moment of possessing her."
CNN says Chretien came out pretty hard against invading Iraq, and blamed
rich people for created the terrorist mobs. Bush's speech made it sound
like a way-overdue smackdown.
Later all.
>From: "Christopher Fahey [askrom]" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Christopher Fahey [askrom]" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kandinskij
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:00:17 -0400
>
>Dammit, I putta block on Kandinskij … but the rest of you keep
>*replying* to that shitsprayer's stupid flames. Hence, by proxy of
>people merely replying to him, I still have piles of that idiot's
>diarrhea in my inbox.
>
>If Mr. Death wont shut the fuck up, could the *rest* of you please shut
>the fuck up and talk about something besides Herr WaSilly Poopypants
>Kandinskij Grim Reaper Beeblebrox?
>
>I know it's a cliche to say so, but if you ignore him he will most
>certainly go away. He hasn't generated an original thread since his
>whole vast war-against-the-world began a few months ago.
>
>This guy's whole rhetorical style reminds me of the Argument Clinic
>(http://www.montypython.net/cgi-bin/dl3/sketches.cgi?gainsay.wav), and
>ya'll are suckers to keep falling for it, (as, apparently, am I).
>
>Although, I must say that Mr. McElroy's recent retorts have been pretty
>funny.
>
>In the meantime, you can check out Kandinskij's wicked bad ass sword
>collection http://punkassbitch.org/D42/0000.jpg or the goth lyrics he
>obviously takes too seriously
>(http://www.punkassbitch.org/u_notes_ii.html).
>
>-Cf
>
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Dammit, I putta block on Kandinskij … but the rest of you keep
*replying* to that shitsprayer's stupid flames. Hence, by proxy of
people merely replying to him, I still have piles of that idiot's
diarrhea in my inbox.
If Mr. Death wont shut the fuck up, could the *rest* of you please shut
the fuck up and talk about something besides Herr WaSilly Poopypants
Kandinskij Grim Reaper Beeblebrox?
I know it's a cliche to say so, but if you ignore him he will most
certainly go away. He hasn't generated an original thread since his
whole vast war-against-the-world began a few months ago.
This guy's whole rhetorical style reminds me of the Argument Clinic
(http://www.montypython.net/cgi-bin/dl3/sketches.cgi?gainsay.wav), and
ya'll are suckers to keep falling for it, (as, apparently, am I).
Although, I must say that Mr. McElroy's recent retorts have been pretty
funny.
In the meantime, you can check out Kandinskij's wicked bad ass sword
collection http://punkassbitch.org/D42/0000.jpg or the goth lyrics he
obviously takes too seriously
(http://www.punkassbitch.org/u_notes_ii.html).
-Cf
[christopher eli fahey]
art: http://www.graphpaper.com
sci: http://www.askrom.com
biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Smiles and Kisses
Because your heart distorts your masks, yes?
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> Fabulous. "Max Herman is a pimp who only likes whores", says Kandinskij.
> Don't deny you said it!
No, Max. I said that you are a pimp, and you relate to
people as whores. I also said that you like them as such.
Since people are not whores in and of themselves–
I can't possibly say that you like whores.
But the above you can 'have' :)
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Big mojo tumbling down like donkey falling on a dusty road. Me wonder whose
> cucumber is more ripe and ready for the eating.
Meaningless self-indulgent commentary.
Love the dow-to-earth-new age-wisdom.
Commentaries from 'wise men' on the side-walk are a penny for 2000.
Tell us about your wacky down to earth family,
and shamanism with a 'modem'–then we can talk about mojo.
Bzzt. Wrong pill.
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Conversation?
Yes. And it's not any of your concern.
Spare me your judgement–and stay out of it.
You're not a qualified judge of my actions.
> Max talks, you call him a pimp and an idiot. Consistent
> formula, for all emails from you so far.
The formulaic brain sees formulae.
> Anything you don't understand
Unlike you, I do understand.
> (which is quite a bit)
No, it isn't. I understand what needs to be understood.
> you call idiocy.
This is not what I am doing, and avoid passing opinionated
blind judgement as what I am doing.
> You are a slave to your own hard-coded opinions.
I am neither a slave, nor hard coded, nor do I possess opinions.
You are talking to about yourself.
> Listen sometimes.
I do. You want my listening to conform to your opinion of listening,
and for me to behave as you think_ I should, and conduct my
conversationa, as you think_ I should.
Sod off dictatorial brain-monkey.
> That is how conversations work.
No, it isn't. Take your idiotic flat formulae elsewhere.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> I won at bingo once.
Good for you. Anything else?
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> You said it. And you are. By the way 'pre-packaged thoughts' isn't even
> meaningful.
meaning is not always literal - mister understanding
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> meaning is not always literal - mister understanding
In your case it is.
Strike that 'there's always more to the story' pose, please.
You're not knee-jerk at all :)
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> Yes. And it's not any of your concern.
> Spare me your judgement–and stay out of it.
> You're not a qualified judge of my actions.
Yes I am. I just wrote myself a certificate of authority to judge any and all
actions by Kandinskij or any other person of total understanding.
> The formulaic brain sees formulae.
How do you cook your breakfast?
> Unlike you, I do understand.
Mister Understanding
>
> No, it isn't. I understand what needs to be understood.
Said the redneck farmer as he shot the dog.
> This is not what I am doing, and avoid passing opinionated
> blind judgement as what I am doing.
I just ammended my certificate to allow me to pass blind judgement as well.
>
> I am neither a slave, nor hard coded, nor do I possess opinions.
> You are talking to about yourself.
I know you are but what am I.
>
> > Listen sometimes.
>
> I do. You want my listening to conform to your opinion of listening,
> and for me to behave as you think_ I should, and conduct my
> conversationa, as you think_ I should.
What? I didn't hear you.
>
> Sod off dictatorial brain-monkey.
Ooh, Ooh - he is name calling!!! You are so insecure.
>
> > That is how conversations work.
>
> No, it isn't. Take your idiotic flat formulae elsewhere.
>
Poor dear.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
> Art[ist] wrote:
>
> > I won at bingo once.
>
> Good for you. Anything else?
winning hearts.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Smiles and Kisses
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> > Jesus, somebody can finally tell me what evil and vulgar mean. I hear them
> all
> > the time.
>
> Doubtful that. But I'm sure you shift lexicalities about.
> Is illiteracy a bit like quitting winning cold turkey?
I won at bingo once.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> And there's not much to spell. And that's fine, except for it's
> irrelevant to my conversation with Mr. G2K.
>
>
Conversation? Max talks, you call him a pimp and an idiot. Consistent
formula, for all emails from you so far. Anything you don't understand (which
is quite a bit) you call idiocy. You are a slave to your own hard-coded
opinions. Listen sometimes. That is how conversations work.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Yo cowboy,
Speak for yourself.
> I never claimed a brand name.
Ah, you missed.
> You are pretty good a labeling though.
No labeling. Observation.
> That means you don't have to think anymore.
Right–think hard.
> Packaged thoughts,
Speak for yourself.
> "knee jerk" responses, boring boring boring.
=thinking.
> Come on Fido,
Speak for yourself.
> 1) an idiot
> 2) knee jerk responder
> 3) pimp
> 4) self indulgent
> 5) debasing myself.
You said it. And you are. By the way 'pre-packaged thoughts' isn't even
meaningful.
Lots of bravado–nice doll.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Yo cowboy, I never claimed a brand name. You are pretty good a labeling
though. That means you don't have to think anymore. Packaged thoughts, "knee
jerk" responses, boring boring boring.
Come on Fido, tell me how I am an 1) an idiot 2) knee jerk responder 3) pimp 4)
self indulgent 5) debasing myself.
Oh yes, I forgot the endearing term. Let see, my little piggly wiggly.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Jesus, somebody can finally tell me what evil and vulgar mean. I hear them all
> the time.
Doubtful that. But I'm sure you shift lexicalities about.
Is illiteracy a bit like quitting winning cold turkey?
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Did you rest on the 7th day and see everything as good? IT IS THE LAW.
> HUMANITY WILL END.
Knee-jerk 'humor'.
> I see 4 bright lights and 7 dim lights in the darkness, there are shadows
> moving which I know are people looking at me while I type under a canopy with a
> towel on my head.
Lovely. What state is that?
> I can't spell either.
And there's not much to spell. And that's fine, except for it's
irrelevant to my conversation with Mr. G2K.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
Art[ist] wrote:
> He is like a fortune teller, who uses common themes to get people to believe
> they have insight.
This is absolutely incorrect. Nor are you qualified to make such
judgement. But I'm sure you're pissy due to your 'fortuneteller
shaman with a modem' image being stepped on. Ie–you're projecting.
> It is not hard to figure out that everybody has back pains,
> have had a death in the family, and are missing something.
Wouldn't this be so rational? Not what I am doing.
> He takes pot-shots
No, I don't. Nothing 'pot-shotty'. what I say is directeda t people–
and precise and accurate. You feel 'insulted' because you don't like
your peachy icon image–that's your problem.
> with different categories of stereotyped complexes,
Nothing of what I said is about 'complexes' or 'stereotyped'.
> hoping something will hurt.
I am not 'hoping' anything. Nor am I here to 'hurt' anyone.
The only thing that hurts is people not willing to recognize
unpleasant bits about themselves.
> So what? Who is perfect?
Wow. Therapy! Ignore the problems in yourself–they'll go away.
> Learn to go towards the center in your behavior,
Ie, a cheap fortuneteller MCElroy.
> live the moment, and think of a positive way to a good future.
As above. To make matters worse, you're bolstering your ego
by taking advantage of people's ego-need to feel secure and OK.
> If you believe, (as I),
You and me baby–we're the same– (taking advantage of immature mirror
impulses) + appeal to 'belief'–abuse of belief impulse.
> that the powers that be (hawks) have gained too much power away from center,
The 'powers that be–hawks'. HA HA. Abuse of sub conscious impulses.
The powers that 'be' do not 'gain power from the center'.
Idiotic mumbo-jumbo.
> then we must make positive actions (or perhaps positive
> myth expressions)
Idiot. Myth expressions belong to only a few individuals–not all.
And only after they know better than to swallow con-men (like you) crap.
> to be part of the corrective centering.
Preach it brother!
The only 'vulture' here attempting to 'steal power'
is you Joseph twit. And 'corrective centering' requires
that people familiarize themselves and have daily awareness
of death–not its mockery.
Quit fucking with people's heads, arse.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:
> breed please nothing sr70 +D42 nothing taking karei to Iowa virtual hospital to implant more materials with out fragmentation to to the original structure like cyber- skin the kind on dildos making karei more real then reel….. give karie swords and words she will talk slow and fast maybe one day make karei cumm on my face. sr70 more then now bring you a pattern to make new code barable later an entire new alpha-beta so say material biology now even more better then before.keep her speechless for now tell ? it would be to nice. long like four play with new object say state now thief 87F.2B la la la la no singing….. everything idiotic…. everything stupid. if then minus one minus two.forge on say to my ear but you are speechless not action less like when your legs are and your mouth is closed. would be to good for all of us say on 6787780000 Dear fred, should be there where the water is red to red too and the birds sound like chickens. frances at 53 wants to get layed n!
ow!
> under the table now licking the the legs. wires and vynil tubing like circut like now spread out severed by sodering irons and aliuminum and cloves made in indonesia…………… helpless animated objects….. IMPERIALISM NOW
Absolutely baby: that's what you're asking for with your
'subjection of the individual' to collective crap.
If your meaningless crap is attempting to imply that
what I do has anything to do with 'imperialism,'
I have to correct you on that one.
The ignorance displayed by the posters of these
lists is incredulously appalling.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Christopher Fahey [askrom] wrote:
> Dammit, I putta block on Kandinskij … but the rest of you keep
> *replying*
Oh, the horror. They're not doing as you say?
> to that shitsprayer's
The only one spraying 'shit' here is you.
> stupid
Nothing of what I've posted is 'stupid' idiot.
> flames.
Nor am I 'flaming' anyone. rather the opposite–people
knee-jerk in an inflamatory manner.
> Hence, by proxy of people merely replying to him,
Mr. Christopher Fahey is having a fit.
> I still have piles of that idiot's
The only idiot here is: you guessed it, you.
> diarrhea in my inbox.
talka bout yourself.
> If Mr. Death wont shut the fuck up,
Aie!
> could the *rest* of you please shut the fuck up and talk about something
Yes please. Everyone shut the fuck up. Mr. fahey is going to lose it
as he seems to be feeling out of control. How about you start being
more self-responsible instead of lashingout at 'everybody'?
> I know it's a cliche to say so, but if you ignore him he will most
> certainly go away.
No, I will not. I am not a cardboard cutout from your head
complete with standard programmatic behavior.
> He hasn't generated an original thread since his
> whole vast war-against-the-world began a few months ago.
'Original thread'–there hasn't been one on this list since
927.
> This guy's whole rhetorical style reminds me of the Argument Clinic
> (http://www.montypython.net/cgi-bin/dl3/sketches.cgi?gainsay.wav),
I am not the cardboard cutouts in your head.
> ya'll are suckers to keep falling for it, (as, apparently, am I).
N'est pas? The mind is a beautiful thing to waste.
> Although, I must say that Mr. McElroy's recent retorts have been pretty
> funny.
No, theyve been mediocre and idiotic. They're only 'funny'
because you dislike yourself.
> In the meantime, you can check out Kandinskij's wicked bad ass sword
> collection http://punkassbitch.org/D42/0000.jpg
Yes? Exhibited at Taktlos Bern Festival 2000 avec
Messieurs Raster-Noton + purchased by priavte Swiss collectors.
> obviously takes too seriously
> (http://www.punkassbitch.org/u_notes_ii.html).
Whooha–more knee-jerk. I was never aware that
old legends are 'goth lyrics'. Maybe you should learn what
'goth' is first, baby. Nothing to do with what I do.
Bzzt. Wrong pill.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
(http://www.punkassbitch.org/u_notes_ii.html).
Bzzt. Wrong pill.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:
> breed please nothing sr70 +D42 nothing taking karei to Iowa virtual hospital to implant more materials with out fragmentation to to the original structure like cyber- skin the kind on dildos making karei more real then reel….. give karie swords and words she will talk slow and fast maybe one day make karei cumm on my face. sr70 more then now bring you a pattern to make new code barable later an entire new alpha-beta so say material biology now even more better then before.keep her speechless for now tell ? it would be to nice. long like four play with new object say state now thief 87F.2B la la la la no singing….. everything idiotic…. everything stupid. if then minus one minus two.forge on say to my ear but you are speechless not action less like when your legs are and your mouth is closed. would be to good for all of us say on 6787780000 Dear fred, should be there where the water is red to red too and the birds sound like chickens. frances at 53 wants to get layed n!
ow!
> under the table now licking the the legs. wires and vynil tubing like circut like now spread out severed by sodering irons and aliuminum and cloves made in indonesia…………… helpless animated objects….. IMPERIALISM NOW
Absolutely baby: that's what you're asking for with your
'subjection of the individual' to collective crap.
If your meaningless crap is attempting to imply that
what I do has anything to do with 'imperialism,'
I have to correct you on that one.
The ignorance displayed by the posters of these
lists is incredulously appalling.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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also prevent you from being one"
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