net/text

— Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
— Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mark,
> I like the piece very much and so I'm inclined to
> write-

Thanks

> rather reminded me of the writing of
> Donald Barthelme.

I have to admit that I have not read him but I found a
link to his work and will give to a try this week.

> So many pieces coming from the area that I would
> characterize as 'conceptual'- and forgive me if you
> don't accept that characterization

Well, I try to set up a working system when I write
and when I do artwork. Start at A and work to Z. This
is influenced by early conceptual artists (some of
whom came out of a poetry/language background). It
also comes out of my day job as a carpenter. Start at
A and work to Z. Although, unlike conceptual artist
(and good carpenters), I feel that systems are most
interesting when they distort, get clogged or fall
apart.

> *writing-that-is-idiomatic-to-the-web* and it
> perhaps
> locating it here rather than in in a tradition of
> artistic conceptualism

Yes. I guess this is why I sent it to Rhizome to ask
for some feedback. I have been thinking about net/text
lately and I'm trying find my way of working with it.
Anyway, thanks

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Mark,
I like the piece very much and so I'm inclined to
write- but I don't know how useful my comments would
be to you given that my starting point is ,I think ,
radically different to yours - deep scepticism about
anything postmodern, conceptual, selfreferential &c.
However what in particular attracted me was that the
piece ( and I'm not implying that it's in any way
derivative) rather reminded me of the writing of
Donald Barthelme. It was initially the form of the
thing and the fact that it was bracketted by the two
images that brought him to mind, but it strikes me
there are deeper resonances.
Of course a superficial resemblence to the work of
someone else one admires isn't sufficient.
What I also liked about the piece was it's *density*,
it's *inexorableness*.
So many pieces coming from the area that I would
characterize as 'conceptual'- and forgive me if you
don't accept that characterization, seem to me to be
pretty thin stuff - artist has bright idea - artist
realizes that idea - and we laugh or wink or or fail
to get it ( often in my case) and then pretty much
forget it and move on to something more substantial.
However this seems to me to have a good deal of
substance to it - and I also found it touchingly un-
impersonal.
To come back finally to the Barthelme comparison -
what strikes me is that here you've done something a
lot of people flying big flags have signally failed to
do and that is produce a piece of interesting
*writing-that-is-idiomatic-to-the-web* and it perhaps
locating it here rather than in in a tradition of
artistic conceptualism
( although it always strikes me that it is in writing
that conceptualism finds its most comfortable home
-see any Borges short story)that makes most sense.
Anyway thanks, I enjoyed it.
regards
Michael
— Mark River <[email protected]> wrote:
> Still in a rough state, but interested any
> feedback…
> Thanks.
>
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— Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mark,
> I like the piece very much and so I'm inclined to
> write-

Thanks

> rather reminded me of the writing of
> Donald Barthelme.

I have to admit that I have not read him but I found a
link to his work and will give to a try this week.

> So many pieces coming from the area that I would
> characterize as 'conceptual'- and forgive me if you
> don't accept that characterization

Well, I try to set up a working system when I write
and when I do artwork. Start at A and work to Z. This
is influenced by early conceptual artists (some of
whom came out of a poetry/language background). It
also comes out of my day job as a carpenter. Start at
A and work to Z. Although, unlike conceptual artist
(and good carpenters), I feel that systems are most
interesting when they distort, get clogged or fall
apart.

> *writing-that-is-idiomatic-to-the-web* and it
> perhaps
> locating it here rather than in in a tradition of
> artistic conceptualism

Yes. I guess this is why I sent it to Rhizome to ask
for some feedback. I have been thinking about net/text
lately and I'm trying find my way of working with it.
Anyway, thanks

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http://tinjail.com

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> Still in a rough state, but interested any feedback…
> Thanks.
>
> http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html


I love this. I love the MTAA art process. I love MTAA's honesty and
integrity. What brand of beer do you drink?

-Cf

[christopher eli fahey]
art: http://www.graphpaper.com
sci: http://www.askrom.com
biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com

>> Still in a rough state, but interested any feedback…
>> Thanks.
>>
>> http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html
>
>
>I love this. I love the MTAA art process. I love MTAA's honesty and
>integrity. What brand of beer do you drink?
>
>-Cf

m.river drinks budweiser in bottles at the union pool.

m.river drinks brooklyn lager at galapagos (you don't have to go all
the way to manhattan for manhattan prices :-)

m.river drinks marguerites at vera cruz

i drink marguerites at vera cruz

i drink vodka tonic at galapagos (you don't have to go all the way to
manhattan for manhattan prices :-)

i drink stella artois at the union pool and, sometimes, scotch and soda.

(note: that's mostly mriver's honesty and integrity yer witnessing,
i'm a lying, cheating asshole)

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<twhid>
http://www.mteww.com
</twhid>

Hey Chiatopher, Thanks. When working on net art we try
to stay with domestics (bottles only no drafts).
T.Whid is teaching me how to open bottles off of our
studio desktop at Eyebeam. I think we will be demo-ing
the this tech at our Upgrade in Oct. Stop on in.

Anyway, speaking of net/text…How is the Rhizomebot
going?

— "Christopher Fahey [askrom]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > Still in a rough state, but interested any
> feedback…
> > Thanks.
> >
> > http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html
>
>
> I love this. I love the MTAA art process. I love
> MTAA's honesty and
> integrity. What brand of beer do you drink?
>
> -Cf
>
> [christopher eli fahey]
> art: http://www.graphpaper.com
> sci: http://www.askrom.com
> biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com
>
>
>


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> m.river drinks budweiser in bottles at the union pool.
>
> m.river drinks brooklyn lager at galapagos (you don't have to go all
> the way to manhattan for manhattan prices :-)

Patrick Lichty does not drink.

> m.river drinks marguerites at vera cruz
>
> i drink marguerites at vera cruz

Patrick Lichty is strongly discouraged to drink by his doctors, but
occasionally has a beer with T. Whid on A St.

> i drink vodka tonic at galapagos (you don't have to go all the way to
> manhattan for manhattan prices :-)
>
> i drink stella artois at the union pool and, sometimes, scotch and soda.

Lichty occasionally has a soda and Campari in the Village at Switch, even
though he's not supposed to.

> (note: that's mostly mriver's honesty and integrity yer witnessing,
> i'm a lying, cheating asshole)

This is true.
Gimme my twenty dollars back, you dick.
I mean it.
Really.
I'll find you.
I know where you live.
Don't make me come there.