Death

"Max Herman" <[email protected]> ecrit:

> The
> US is going to let WW3 happen because we are too weak to stop it.
[…]
> I think there is a huge malaise and
> general pollution that is preventing us from choosing a sustainable-
evolutionary path over a total war and total darkness one.

'Sustainable-evolutionary path

"Max Herman" <[email protected]> ecrit:

> The
> US is going to let WW3 happen because we are too weak to stop it.
[…]
> I think there is a huge malaise and
> general pollution that is preventing us from choosing a sustainable-
evolutionary path over a total war and total darkness one.

'Sustainable-evolutionary path

>From: "Pet Name" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: Death
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"Max Herman" <[email protected]> ecrit:
>
> > The
> > US is going to let WW3 happen because we are too weak to stop it.
>[…]
> > I think there is a huge malaise and
> > general pollution that is preventing us from choosing a sustainable-
>evolutionary path over a total war and total darkness one.
>
>'Sustainable-evolutionary path

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Death, it wasn't you that drove me bonkers.

No, and I never implied that. You simply shortcircuited.
And yes whether chemicals were involved or not, you did short,
and it wasn't unrelated to our conversation. Which is a pity,
because my initial interest in you rested on your ability to maintain
a mental balance, not insignificantly.

> I was not angry at all that

Didn't imply that you were necessarily angry.

> you didn't want to rally under the G2K flag. I went bonkers because of a bad
> chemical I am not supposed to drink anymore, and I was railing at you
> because you were on my mind.

The chemicals may have contributed–I wasn't there to see if you took
them or not. Only observed that you shortcurcuited re-G2K. Also
you dropped the mask, Max. Chemicals or not–it's irrelevant.
And you showed yourself to be a manaical control-freak.

> Maybe I was thinking "Death is saying G2K is
> bad and I want to say 'fuck you bitch' to him."

No, that's not what you did, though the verbal response–when readable
was of the sort.

> Also because I am getting horrid feelings and thoughts about the
> US invading Iraq.

Like what?

> Since this thread started that has been my worst feeling. Perhaps my
> ego is telling me that I need to do something big, leave a big mark, like
> stopping a foolish war (which will be WW3).

You're being un-necessarily dramatic Max.

> The US is going to let WW3 happen because we are too weak to stop it.

What is the 'US'? And I'm sorry, is it really that simple?

> We need it to make our stock market look good again.

I'm sure that's the real cause.

> I'm still against the war,

I'm neither for or against war, though I recognize war for what it is.

> and I think there is a huge malaise and general pollution that is preventing us from choosing a
> sustainable-evolutionary path over a total war and total darkness one.

Sure. It's true. And the way out has been available for centuries.
And no, you don't know it. It's not accessible by words, language,
or what you call science. And I haven't seen ONE person here who wants
it. Feeling self-righteous and self-important is far higher on the
agenda, which is what all your saving the world posingis about.

You don't give 2 cents about 'the world'. You care about yourself.

Hacks and cooks like you are a dime a dozen.

I tried to help you out, but you confused my relaxed posture
as an opportunity to boss around. It's typical of victim mentality.

> Do you Death want the US to invade Iraq, or do you find the question
> irrelevant to human evolution?

I don't 'want' anything. I don't find these events irrelevant
to human evolution. What I can tell you is that the more countries
engage in war, the more degraded humans beings become in general,
and the less capable of evolution.

The more humans neglect their spiritual part, and insist
on being 'just animals' the more they will be treated like animals.
And that means a lot of pain, overpopulation, and general drive towards
exctinction.

You want me to jump and scream, it's awful?
But it's what humans ask for, and you're not capable of
stopping, nor are you interested in doing the work to get
to a position in which you can help. Because you have it
'figured' 'calculated'.

You're just like THEM, Max.

A freaked out, frightened monkey who doesn't get what's
going on and revert to animalistic rallying, pseudo-
religious propaganda–and not only that but you're
trying to take advabtage of people's fear and confusion.

Guess what Bin Laden was doing? rallying people under the
Genius 911.

> You said that you have no personality. OK.

Empty swallowing.

> Your thing about Eliot, quite mediocre.

No, it wasn't. It was quite on the point.

> You are all levels? Ish von mishelin. You're vampiric too.

Nope, sorry. Not a vampiric fibre.

> Extremely vampiric I think.

You don't know what you're talking about.
Just like Eryk with his tirades about God, Satan, and the dictionaries.
Both of you are monkeying my verbiage, as if that'll get you anywhere.
You don't know what vampiric is, least do you have capabilities to
judge who is and whoisn't.


> So, it's not that you won't rally under my flag, though that in itself is
> pretty lame,

No baby, that's exactly what you wanted.
People are given a limited amount of energy, typically, and instead of
having them use it for their self-development–as is proper–you rally
them under hack agendas, and make them waste it there.


> but that you are saying lots and lots of things that all told
> in my opinion are not worth anything.

Your opinion is not worth anything, unlike the things I say.

> I think you have too much pride and vanity

I have no pride and no vanity. I have dignity, awareness, and
consciousness. But you wouldn't be able to discern the two
to save your life. Hence again and again: people who
have not dealt with their own egos have no business
dealing with those of others. All you do is hack off perfectly healthy
and necessary bits.

> to see rallying under the G2K flag as anything more than being my ho.

Go peddle your idiocy elsewhere Max.

> So on that basis I would say you need to overcome your own
> ego-delusions

There are no ego-delusions here, nor is there an ego.
Nor are you qualified to speak of anyone's ego but your own.
Don't rally big 'words' against me either.

Both you and Erk have been offered assistance, and both have
reacted like childish, dictatorial hacks.

> that rallying under the G2K flag would mean Max is pimping you out.

That's exactly what it means, baby. You're not a qualified
'leader'. And that's why you flipped. Not only that, but
you're irresponsibly posing about issues you don't understand
and passing it over as art.

You are a pimp, Max.

> You just are too much of a coward to take responsibility for yourself.

I am not a coward, and I do take responsibility for myself,
by refusing to play your idiotic ego-wanking game.
I really don't care how many dead british poets you PARROT.

> Genius 2000 is 100% your responsibility and 100% mine.

No, it isn't. G2K is YOUR responsibility ONLY.
And you continuously bully people into rallying behind it.
Petty dictator.

> You contradict yourself like crazy too.

I never contradict myself. Get out of your linear skull.

> So what if you're part computer and part other shit.

Sorry, I am not a 'computer.'

Peddle your propaganda elsewhere, Max.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Well said Muserna. I might be just paranoid, so I would love it if someone,
> anyone, can argue the demons out of my head.

Pose, max. I've tried to 'assist' you, and you flipped.
You love your demons more than you love yourself.

> I am fearful that Bush wants more war than is necessary or good,

Baa. Blame it on Bush.

> because he is of the war party.

Whatever.

> Also, the war party usually gives up on non-war
> alternatives too fast for various reasons.

The 'war party'.

> So yes I am suffering from imaginary fears.

And taking it out on the list. Deal with your own demons, Max.
You're fully capable of it, and only you are.

So far your behavior is despicable. Whether you do
'suffer' from said fears or not, your running around
trying to push this about is not 'intelligent'
not 'artistic' and not 'art'.

It's idiotic and dumb. And truly mediocre.
Go ahead, quote some dead white poet.

Maybe you and Eryk can go write up some 'revolutionary' poetry
in 'protest'.

Your head is full of crap.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

> I never mentioned Satan except to say that Satanism is the only belief
> system I know of where compassion is considered a sin. I don't believe
> in Satan.

And Satan doesn't believe in you. Except for you know nothing
about Satanism either.

> My tirade is not about God, but about the absence of God. [Therefore, I
> do not believe in Satan.]

Oh right. You're God, and you're not there. How Zen.
Babe, why keep using the label?

> I did, in fact, have a tirade about dictionaries.

Indeed. A thoroughly idiotic one.

> >Both of you are monkeying my verbiage, as if that'll get you anywhere.
> >
>
> Well, I was trying to discuss things in your terms, and my echoes of
> your verbiage were a conscious choice.

No, you weren't. You were monkeying. I'm quite aware of the difference.
You were repeating words I said as if you understood what they meant.

> Hahahaha! "Assistance." You wasted your life studying a "Godhead"

I havent 'wasted' my life at all, Eryk.
Nor have I studied a 'Godhead'. You're truly an idiot.

> now you're out to offer "assistance?"

No, I am not. I 'offered you assistance' because you're
far more problematic than the others that you bash, and
because you haplessly bash ppl over the head which is
causing them more stress than they deserve.

I made an assumption–consciously, that likely you're
simply unaware of the damage you're doing–but you
truly are wilfully ignorant.

> How's that working for you?

Lovely. Unlike your silly theory about being a miserable Godhead.

By the way, the only thing that is 'automatically' connected
in humans is their ego–and hence you can have 'rallying'
and 'armies' and bombing and wars. And your 'theories'
enforce identification with it.

B-r-a-vo!

<slowly clapping its hands>

How's that goose-stepping practice going? The way you're
'helping' others realuze that the world is FLAT and SIMPLE
you'll be in dire need of goose-stepping soon.

And one more thing: unlike you, I am qualified to 'assist'
those who want it. And am aware about the real meaning of
'changing the way people see' besides your flat, sub-
intelligent propagandist opinion of it.

By the way, if you're genuinely empathetic, you should
be capable of genuine telepathic communication.
Sans verbiage.

I'm waiting baby.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

> Who gives a shit if I can't reproduce zen and fluxus "properly?"

Reproduce, dear? No, you can't understand them.
Just like you don't understand God, Satanism, Dictionaries,
etc. But you attempt to use them as some sort of backing
singers for your choir.

> I'm a happy camper indeed- I think you are hilarious and brilliant!

No, you are neither.

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

> >And Satan doesn't believe in you.

> Like, duh, totally, it doesn't exist.

Like, duh, totally 'it' does. But then 'satan' is simply a title,
just like 'god' is a title.

> >Except for you know nothing
> > about Satanism either.
> >
>
> Yeah. My loss.

No, but you pose about as if you know it and understand it.
Or is Satanism too much below you?

> Totally dude, you are totally CHANGING MY LIFE.

I'm not interestedin changing your life, baby.
That's your speciality.

> > Babe, why keep using the label?
>
> Huh?

Eloquent. The label GOD, love.

> >No, you weren't. You were monkeying. I'm quite aware of the difference.
> > You were repeating words I said as if you understood what they meant.
> >
>
> Uhhhhhm……

Right.

>
> >I havent 'wasted' my life at all, Eryk.
> > Nor have I studied a 'Godhead'. You're truly an idiot.
> >
>
> Ouch that sure hurts.

I'm not trying to 'hurt'. But you do try to hurt others.
Talk about unneccessary suffering.

> Yeah all those guys I bash. I'm the basher. The number one bashing guy.
> Totally the meanest basher in the school.

Yup, you have. Also made declarations about human beings as failures.
Selective amnesia?

> So, are you an artist who uses flash, or were you pissed off about the
> "art for the sake of error" rule?

No.

> Yeah look out for me swinging the bat kids.

Refusal of responsibility.

> Whatever you say.

I say what is, Eryk.

> >Lovely. Unlike your silly theory about being a miserable Godhead.

> I never said Godhead, you did.

You did. Saying *I am God* is identification with Godhead.
Learn English, baby. But then yes you'll explain that
zen-thing about absence of Godhead. And Nietzsche.
Whom you barely understood.

> You're soooooo dumb, oh my god. You
> totally don't understand anything.

That would be you. I simply do not agree with
your idiocy.


> Yeah, actually I love my ego so I don't see what your trying to say?

I am saying it. I am not 'trying'.

> ><slowly clapping its hands>


> Robots have hands?

Humans are not robots.

> > How's that goose-stepping practice going?
> >
>
> Oh you said before that I couldn't even do that so I gave up.

No, I didn't. I encouraged you in fact.

> That's how much you change my life- like a FUCKING ROCK STAR.

Eryk, I don't care about changing your life.
As for 'rock stars'–yeah. Standard adolexcent opinion.


> Why do I want to step on geese? You are totally like the meanest guy.

Keep it up. Self-degradation is great.

> >And one more thing: unlike you, I am qualified to 'assist'
> > those who want it.
> >
>
> Oh! Sorry. I didn't know!

Now you do.

> Oh well, I'm convinced!
>
I don't care to 'convince' you.
Nor do you deserve a proof.
Either of those are ego-impulses.

Go to your local church. They convince there.

> Oh I don't know any magic spells, sorry dude!

This hasn't got anything to do with 'magic spells'
Eryk. Maybe acquaint yourself with some actual Zen texts,
besides populist paperback translations.

Who knows where you're projecting that 'magic spells' stuff from.
Not to mention that most zen texts are received / written
in such mode.

This is also known to buddhists and hindu practicioners,
and is in their sacred texts.

So far you have: posing, posturing, empty-parroting,
and grand vague gesturing from you.

Actual intelligence? Zip.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42