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Are They Really?
I recently posted a link submission to Walker Arts center suggesting that w=
e would put a link on our site from www.furtherfield.org if they could do s=
ame for us.
furtherfield are an independent collective that has been hosting and suppor=
ting art and net projects for about six years now. We have gain finance by =
independent sources until recently (out of our own income).
I got an email back saying 'We set up links that have a direct relationship=
to Walker, ie: community partner, copartner on an event, sponsorship, rela=
ted to an exhibition, etc. Unfortunately, I can't create the link to your s=
ite since there is not a relationship with us'.
I believe that this is wrong and reflects that the policy is institutionall=
y bound, an isolationist default and does not in any way wish to be open to=
other net arts (groups) outside their own minimal agenda.
By only linking with in-house groups - this gives off the message that they=
are not sharing a platform with independent Internet art collectives. It s=
eems that in reality, their function is to gatekeeper and not share amongst=
the many…
They should question this policy immediately.
marc garrett
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<P class=talkback><STRONG>'the Walker Center for Contemporary Arts is an=
important online space for contemporary digital art'. </STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>Are They Really? </STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>I recently posted a link submission to Walker A=
rts
center suggesting that we would put a link on our site from </STRONG><A
href="http://www.furtherfield.org/"
target=_blank><STRONG>www.furtherfield.org</STRONG></A><STRONG> if they c=
ould do
same for us. </STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>furtherfield are an independent collective that=
has
been hosting and supporting art and net projects for about six years now. W=
e
have gain finance by independent sources until recently (out of our own inc=
ome).
</STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>I got an email back saying 'We set up links tha=
t have
a direct relationship to Walker, ie: community partner, copartner on an eve=
nt,
sponsorship, related to an exhibition, etc. Unfortunately, I can't create t=
he
link to your site since there is not a relationship with us'. </STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>I believe that this is wrong and reflects that =
the
policy is institutionally bound, an isolationist default and does not in an=
y way
wish to be open to other net arts (groups) outside their own minimal agenda=
.
</STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>By only linking with in-house groups - this giv=
es off
the message that they are not sharing a platform with independent Internet =
art
collectives. It seems that in reality, their function is to gatekeeper and =
not
share amongst the many… </STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>They should question this policy immediately.=
</STRONG></P>
<P class=talkback><STRONG>marc garrett</STRONG></P></DIV>
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>'the Walker Center for Contemporary Arts is an important online
>space for contemporary digital art'.
>
>Are They Really?
Marc.
I'm playing Devils Advocate here (aren't i always though), but I
don't see any contradiction in their (innocuous) quote. "important"
for some art. They aren't saying "everyone's art", just that there
is some art for which this site is "important".
think of it this way. Imagine if EVERY site that had similar or
better reason to be linked by the Walker, came to them with such a
proposal. At least 5000 sites could say they are doing some kind of
work in the arts, on the web. For each site to add one link would be
effortless.
But is someone at the Walker supposed to add 5000+ links? More work
for them. the Walker gains nothing. (assume most folks who visit a
random arty site are gonna already know about the Walker. They don't
need you to tell them.
Then what use would it be to have your site listed about 1/3 of the
way down (assuming alphabetical order) in a list of 5000 links, just
names, no comments. There's no way they could take time to look at
them all and vote. Nonetheless, only a dozen or so may get chosen as
the top links. Which is basically what they have. In an un-curated
list of 5000, only the first 3 or 4 will ever get seen anyway.
Freedom and sharing is of no use to you here.
I'm sure a place like the Walker has gotten scores of such requests
already. it's probably a really cool thing that you got a
personalized rejection. Be happy someone saw your name. Doubt they
have to.
That's my gut reaction though. Hope it's helpful.
Judson
>'the Walker Center for Contemporary Arts is an important online
>space for contemporary digital art'.
>
>Are They Really?
>
>I recently posted a link submission to Walker Arts center suggesting
>that we would put a link on our site from
><http://www.furtherfield.org/>www.furtherfield.org if they could do
>same for us.
>
>furtherfield are an independent collective that has been hosting and
>supporting art and net projects for about six years now. We have
>gain finance by independent sources until recently (out of our own
>income).
>
>I got an email back saying 'We set up links that have a direct
>relationship to Walker, ie: community partner, copartner on an
>event, sponsorship, related to an exhibition, etc. Unfortunately, I
>can't create the link to your site since there is not a relationship
>with us'.
>
>I believe that this is wrong and reflects that the policy is
>institutionally bound, an isolationist default and does not in any
>way wish to be open to other net arts (groups) outside their own
>minimal agenda.
>
>By only linking with in-house groups - this gives off the message
>that they are not sharing a platform with independent Internet art
>collectives. It seems that in reality, their function is to
>gatekeeper and not share amongst the many…
>
>They should question this policy immediately.
>
>marc garrett
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PLASMA STUDII
http://plasmastudii.org
223 E 10th Street
PMB 130
New York, NY 10003
Hi Judson,
Your probably right - to be honest, I can't be bothered with arguing at the=
moment. It just seemed wrong somehow, my intuitive and emotional state tol=
d me different from recollective, objective rule…my angst against the wla=
ker gallery is too minor - it was a mistake. I'll be less reactionary next =
time, there is so much ugliness out there at the moment. I just feel like l=
ying down in a large lake and disappearing…as the world of hatred and mal=
e domination over other peoples lives continues to kill all that lives. Sor=
ry for sending a bummer of an email…this must be one of my off days.
marc
'the Walker Center for Contemporary Arts is an important online space f=
or contemporary digital art'.
Are They Really?
Marc.
I'm playing Devils Advocate here (aren't i always though), but I don't se=
e any contradiction in their (innocuous) quote. "important" for some art. T=
hey aren't saying "everyone's art", just that there is some art for which t=
his site is "important".
think of it this way. Imagine if EVERY site that had similar or better re=
ason to be linked by the Walker, came to them with such a proposal. At leas=
t 5000 sites could say they are doing some kind of work in the arts, on the=
web. For each site to add one link would be effortless.
But is someone at the Walker supposed to add 5000+ links? More work for t=
hem. the Walker gains nothing. (assume most folks who visit a random arty s=
ite are gonna already know about the Walker. They don't need you to tell th=
em.
Then what use would it be to have your site listed about 1/3 of the way d=
own (assuming alphabetical order) in a list of 5000 links, just names, no c=
omments. There's no way they could take time to look at them all and vote. =
Nonetheless, only a dozen or so may get chosen as the top links. Which is b=
asically what they have. In an un-curated list of 5000, only the first 3 or=
4 will ever get seen anyway. Freedom and sharing is of no use to you here.
I'm sure a place like the Walker has gotten scores of such requests alrea=
dy. it's probably a really cool thing that you got a personalized rejection=
. Be happy someone saw your name. Doubt they have to.
That's my gut reaction though. Hope it's helpful.
Judson
'the Walker Center for Contemporary Arts is an important online space f=
or contemporary digital art'.
Are They Really?
I recently posted a link submission to Walker Arts center suggesting th=
at we would put a link on our site from <http://www.furtherfield.org/>www.f=
urtherfield.org if they could do same for us.
furtherfield are an independent collective that has been hosting and su=
pporting art and net projects for about six years now. We have gain finance=
by independent sources until recently (out of our own income).
I got an email back saying 'We set up links that have a direct relation=
ship to Walker, ie: community partner, copartner on an event, sponsorship, =
related to an exhibition, etc. Unfortunately, I can't create the link to yo=
ur site since there is not a relationship with us'.
I believe that this is wrong and reflects that the policy is institutio=
nally bound, an isolationist default and does not in any way wish to be ope=
n to other net arts (groups) outside their own minimal agenda.
By only linking with in-house groups - this gives off the message that =
they are not sharing a platform with independent Internet art collectives. =
It seems that in reality, their function is to gatekeeper and not share amo=
ngst the many…
They should question this policy immediately.
marc garrett
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PLASMA STUDII
http://plasmastudii.org
223 E 10th Street
PMB 130
New York, NY 10003
Marc
Come on we know all of these places are like private clubs with secret
meetings and special boards.
If you want to get your link on there site get to know someone thats there
at the Walker.
Go into 007 mode and make it happen.
syc
> dear colleagues
>
> Feeling ignored and hiding from the merciless universe of the art world ?
> Tired of libel and injustice ?
> Feeling like adjusting and improving reputations ?
>
> pavu.com
Marc
Come on we know all of these places are like private clubs with secret
meetings and special boards.
If you want to get your link on there site get to know someone thats there
at the Walker.
Go into 007 mode and make it happen.
Cheers
Lee
syc
Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Are They Really?Yeah right,
A spy…
thanx
Marc
Come on we know all of these places are like private clubs with secret me=
etings and special boards.
If you want to get your link on there site get to know someone thats ther=
e at the Walker.
Go into 007 mode and make it happen.
Cheers
Lee
syc
Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Are They Really?Thanx,
I'll have a gander…
marc
dear colleagues
Feeling ignored and hiding from the merciless universe of the art world=
? Tired of libel and injustice ?
Feeling like adjusting and improving reputations ?
pavu.com's "bean reputy" iBooster is your solution
With its pink and brown postings, with its extra talc options, this tac=
tical media will help you make your way on the yellow brick road.
Fear no more to say what you think and feel free to bean repute at
http://www.pavu.com/elliott-bean-reputy/
pavu.com
http://www.pavu.com
-/ you're welcome ! /-
Marc
Come on we know all of these places are like private clubs with secret =
meetings and special boards.
If you want to get your link on there site get to know someone thats th=
ere at the Walker.
Go into 007 mode and make it happen.
syc