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Hi Joe
I see and understand where you are coming from and for the most part am down with what you are saying. I did introduce my statements playing dr. evil.
But for instance I am not a corporation and outside of Lawyers for the Creative Arts, I do not have a lawyer.
But why should WE…working artists let others make money off of our hard work and ideas. Art is a business, this is how I pay the rent. Its fraud that most galleries take 50% commission for doing basically nothing (No other business in the world that takes such high commission) I'm not a trust fund kid that doesn't need to worry about paying the bills. It takes time and money to make art, upgrade computers, play the game to get the deal that pushes us forward. I look forward to the day i dont need to worry about money or the game. Believe me I give my art and Ideas away freely most of the time, but that is my choice. I believe its your choice too.
All I'm saying is WE need to cover ourselves so that We're not taken advantage of. I'm only talking about the large multinational corporations but also by the budding little indy-cool business men and woman that have already had a taste of a little money through the internet boom.
Property is an issue. Ideas are another. It is the system that is currently in place. A system that doesn't need to be brought down, but a system that need to be reconfigured for NOW. The Squats were burned down a long time ago and even if they were'nt, I'm not willing to live with the junkies anymore.
Been there, done that, thank you.
Oh and by the way, even though the end of the world may be near, It aint happenin for a while so we should figure out how to get dinner tonight and breakfast in the morning. Ever wonder how to take out a tank without heavy weapons.
Watch out for those sun spots they make folks do strange things.
Cheers
Lee
on 8/2/02 10:39 PM, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] at [email protected] wrote:
>> Would any of you be cool with a small gallery exhibiting your art without
>> your permission or knowledge? I know I would have a problem with it.
>
> When I die, I hope to see many things done without my permission. So why wait
> until I die? To protect some meager reputation, which if by chance is as large
> as the sun or moon, would be there for someone else's riches… Let the
> little
> issues of control go…
>
>> If I release a song, I want to know whos playing it. If I deserve royalties
>> you bet I'm going to try to collect. I will send my lawyers after anyone
>> violating my copyright.
>
> You talk large, think little - if you pay a lawyer to chase fleas, and get
> little bugs as a reward, you are a foolish business person - and copyrights
> are
> business after all is said. Only very rich with lots of resources to protect
> where mass infringment is significant loss would employ such methods - in
> which
> case, abuses will occur.
>
>>
>> In the big picture I think our planet has some larger issues to tackle like
>> Global Warming and Global Terror.
>
> Property is the biggest issue. Property should be in the hands of the wisest,
> not most ruthless, and equitably distributed, and redistributed on a regular
> basis.
>
>>
>> Oh by the way hi everyone.
>
>
> Howdy Ho
All our eggs in one basket
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Comments
Quoting [email protected]:
> Hi Joe
Oh no, not Joe. Joseph if you please. Joe I left in forgotten trees.
>
> I see and understand where you are coming from and for the most part am down
> with what you are saying. I did introduce my statements playing dr. evil.
> But for instance I am not a corporation and outside of Lawyers for the
> Creative Arts, I do not have a lawyer.
Da point is that the DA position is well known and easily argued. But "I am
going git my lawyer and sue" stuff doesn't really wash - only the rich and
powerful can do it. So da poor devil advocates need to stop a usin' dem
fighting words. It is like dem trees I forgot, all bark.
>
> But why should WE…working artists let others make money off of our hard
> work and ideas. Art is a business, this is how I pay the rent. Its fraud that
> most galleries take 50% commission for doing basically nothing (No other
> business in the world that takes such high commission) I'm not a trust fund
> kid that doesn't need to worry about paying the bills. It takes time and
> money to make art, upgrade computers, play the game to get the deal that
> pushes us forward. I look forward to the day i dont need to worry about money
> or the game. Believe me I give my art and Ideas away freely most of the time,
> but that is my choice. I believe its your choice too.
I don't give it away, I license it freely to the world. I don't care much if
some are crumbs are made…but if someone finds a gold mine, I reckon I will be
knockin' at their door. My pov, if individually we worry about control so much,
it don't really mean a hill of beans, however, when that control becomes
corporate, looking for every little patent and copyright, using the "individual
artists right" as political cover, we end up getting this repressive and
unequal society.
So I stop using the "I want what's coming to me" stance.
>
> All I'm saying is WE need to cover ourselves so that We're not taken
> advantage of. I'm only talking about the large multinational corporations but
> also by the budding little indy-cool business men and woman that have already
> had a taste of a little money through the internet boom.
Man, we are all taken advantage of on a regular basis…life would become
unbearable if we couldn't find little ways to take advantage of each other.
Legislating every thing into non-advantage taking is again repressive.
>
> Property is an issue. Ideas are another. It is the system that is currently
> in place. A system that doesn't need to be brought down, but a system that
> need to be reconfigured for NOW. The Squats were burned down a long time ago
> and even if they were'nt, I'm not willing to live with the junkies anymore.
> Been there, done that, thank you.
Ideas are squats. Should be free for everybody.
>
> Oh and by the way, even though the end of the world may be near, It aint
> happenin for a while so we should figure out how to get dinner tonight and
> breakfast in the morning. Ever wonder how to take out a tank without heavy
> weapons.
A practical person, I see. Lets compromise because this is how the world
works. Dig large holes.
>
> Watch out for those sun spots they make folks do strange things.
I don't need em.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Joseph
I think I've made my point. Next topic.
Joseph Franklyn McElroy Said,
"I don't give it away, I license it freely to the world. I don't care much
if some are crumbs are made…but if someone finds a gold mine, I reckon I
will be knockin' at their door."
Cheers
Lee
on 8/3/02 11:19 AM, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
Art[ist] at [email protected] wrote:
> Quoting [email protected]:
>
>
>> Hi Joe
>
> Oh no, not Joe. Joseph if you please. Joe I left in forgotten trees.
>
>>
>> I see and understand where you are coming from and for the most part am down
>> with what you are saying. I did introduce my statements playing dr. evil.
>> But for instance I am not a corporation and outside of Lawyers for the
>> Creative Arts, I do not have a lawyer.
>
> Da point is that the DA position is well known and easily argued. But "I am
> going git my lawyer and sue" stuff doesn't really wash - only the rich and
> powerful can do it. So da poor devil advocates need to stop a usin' dem
> fighting words. It is like dem trees I forgot, all bark.
>
>>
>> But why should WE…working artists let others make money off of our hard
>> work and ideas. Art is a business, this is how I pay the rent. Its fraud that
>> most galleries take 50% commission for doing basically nothing (No other
>> business in the world that takes such high commission) I'm not a trust fund
>> kid that doesn't need to worry about paying the bills. It takes time and
>> money to make art, upgrade computers, play the game to get the deal that
>> pushes us forward. I look forward to the day i dont need to worry about money
>> or the game. Believe me I give my art and Ideas away freely most of the time,
>> but that is my choice. I believe its your choice too.
>
> I don't give it away, I license it freely to the world. I don't care much if
> some are crumbs are made…but if someone finds a gold mine, I reckon I will
> be
> knockin' at their door. My pov, if individually we worry about control so
> much,
> it don't really mean a hill of beans, however, when that control becomes
> corporate, looking for every little patent and copyright, using the
> "individual
> artists right" as political cover, we end up getting this repressive and
> unequal society.
>
> So I stop using the "I want what's coming to me" stance.
>
>>
>> All I'm saying is WE need to cover ourselves so that We're not taken
>> advantage of. I'm only talking about the large multinational corporations but
>> also by the budding little indy-cool business men and woman that have already
>> had a taste of a little money through the internet boom.
>
> Man, we are all taken advantage of on a regular basis…life would become
> unbearable if we couldn't find little ways to take advantage of each other.
> Legislating every thing into non-advantage taking is again repressive.
>
>>
>> Property is an issue. Ideas are another. It is the system that is currently
>> in place. A system that doesn't need to be brought down, but a system that
>> need to be reconfigured for NOW. The Squats were burned down a long time ago
>> and even if they were'nt, I'm not willing to live with the junkies anymore.
>> Been there, done that, thank you.
>
> Ideas are squats. Should be free for everybody.
>
>>
>> Oh and by the way, even though the end of the world may be near, It aint
>> happenin for a while so we should figure out how to get dinner tonight and
>> breakfast in the morning. Ever wonder how to take out a tank without heavy
>> weapons.
>
> A practical person, I see. Lets compromise because this is how the world
> works. Dig large holes.
>
>>
>> Watch out for those sun spots they make folks do strange things.
>
> I don't need em.
In a message dated 8/3/2002 12:20:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Cheers
> Lee
Lee, weren't you a judge last year? What happened?
In a message dated 8/3/2002 12:18:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> I think I've made my point. Next topic.
Jeez, it's odd, both of you are G2K-related.
Now that's history for ya. For ya.