corporate drones killing music

>re = It is a big shame that corporate companies (especially in
>america) cannot see the value of local radio creativity. lacking
>imagination, always measuring by the buck - idiots, more assholes
>killing creativity. Why is there not a revolution in america! You
>sure need one…
>
>i am against such generalization especially when it is against such
>easy targets ( demonization of USA corporations ), and i think that
>before anyone starts criticizing she/he should remember these have
>not just fallen out of hell, but are a product of human history and
>need and are an important part of our society
>
>you accomplish nothing by saying that corporations are idiots and assholes

i can agree with nicola. it's silly to paint ALL corporations as evil
or whatever (tho it's getting easier and easier to believe in these
days of US corporate fraud and thievery ref: worldcom, enron,
adelphia, qwest, and perhaps aol tw…)

and it's not just US corps creating these streaming music problems,
the RIAA represents the big 5 record labels all of which are global:
Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, EMI Group, Warner
Brothers Music, BMG Entertainment

but if one could pick a scenario in which big corporate money and
influence is being so blatantly used to fuck the little guy it would
be hard to find one as black and white as this streaming radio
royalty scam. i can understand marc's frustration.

>
>it would be good to see suggestions to alternatives to corporations
>and alternatives to their control over such issues as music rights
>

GNUTELLA!! won't work thru my firewall at work tho, eeerrrr.
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Something that has been being ignored on this list and by activist
circles in general- and this is infuriating-
is that American trust in corporations is at the lowest it could
possibly hope to be for a while. With Enron,
Adelphia, AOL-Time Warner, etc, being mussed up in fraudulent financial
reports and all the like- and
with the big uproar over corporations moving to off shore tax shelters.
Americans are patriotic right now
and they don't trust corporations- and one thing that we can do is show
how corporate power is delimiting
the scope of democracy, ask for reform on political involvement of the
corporations both directly in politics
and in the effects they have on freedom- this issue, if it was turned
into a freedom of speech vs big business
issue, would not stand a chance in the court of public opinion. This is
also why Bush won't be re-elected.

I just moved to Maine but did you guys know anything about Johnathan
Carter? He seems like he's in a
position to win as Governor of the State, and he's a Green. Also Maine
has got a Green Primary, the first
in the nation they claim. It's interesting to see this in the papers and
whatnot, he's getting press time, he's
getting write ups in newspapers, etc; more so than we saw of Nader when
I was in Cambridge [where he
won the presidential election.] It actually has restored some faith in
the election process for me, but then
again Maine has some pretty stringent clean election laws as well.

Warren Beatty in 2004,
-e.











nikola tosic wrote:

> re = It is a big shame that corporate companies (especially in
> america) cannot see the value of local radio creativity. lacking
> imagination, always measuring by the buck - idiots, more assholes
> killing creativity. Why is there not a revolution in america! You sure
> need one…
>
> i am against such generalization especially when it is against such
> easy targets ( demonization of USA corporations ), and i think that
> before anyone starts criticizing she/he should remember these have not
> just fallen out of hell, but are a product of human history and need
> and are an important part of our society
>
> you accomplish nothing by saying that corporations are idiots and
> assholes
>
> it would be good to see suggestions to alternatives to corporations
> and alternatives to their control over such issues as music rights
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
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> http://www.tosic.com
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Nikola…

Whether you are against the generalization of these organizations is not the
point. The truth of what thatb there are many small excellent
music/noise/radio stations being charged per head, meaniing that the station
is charged per listener. So, many underground radio groups are penalized for
being popular in contrast to the commercial bilge (music pulp) shoved down
our reprocessed minds. It's time to take sides…

marc


> re = It is a big shame that corporate companies (especially in america)
> cannot see the value of local radio creativity. lacking imagination,
always
> measuring by the buck - idiots, more assholes killing creativity. Why is
> there not a revolution in america! You sure need one…
>
> i am against such generalization especially when it is against such easy
> targets ( demonization of USA corporations ), and i think that before
> anyone starts criticizing she/he should remember these have not just
fallen
> out of hell, but are a product of human history and need and are an
> important part of our society
>
> you accomplish nothing by saying that corporations are idiots and assholes
>
> it would be good to see suggestions to alternatives to corporations and
> alternatives to their control over such issues as music rights
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ;
>
> mailto:[email protected]
> http://www.nekada.com
> http://www.tosic.com
>
>

>
> you accomplish nothing by saying that corporations are idiots and assholes

correct Nikola - the best way to accomplish positive change which of course
is never easy in a world that measures people as product, is to get people
together to form groups that challenge such rulings by maissive companies
that ignore small business's/organizations by default.

marc

In a message dated 8/1/2002 7:01:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> it would be good to see suggestions to alternatives to corporations and
> alternatives to their control over such issues as music rights
>

It's a terrifying, nauseating problem, because the only way to generate
enough money to defeat terrorism–infinite monies being required, to quote
Cicero–is for US corporation to preserve some basic standard of
profitability.

I always felt that Microsoft was indulged in great part for its eventual
military applications or compatibility. The oil monopoly after all allowed
us to be ready for world wars.

A global depression would most likely harm everyone. In such a case, there
is a debate, but barring a total market collapse, we will have corporations
with us.

Traditionally democracies fail for economic reasons, under which the economy
has to be militarized, that's what tends to happen.

Traditionally democracies fail for economic reasons, under which the economy has to be militarized, that's what tends to happen. can you talk more about info war …..

that virilio pual and other such things you began to get into it but then stopped please thank you …….


[email protected] wrote:In a message dated 8/1/2002 7:01:17 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:


it would be good to see suggestions to alternatives to corporations and
alternatives to their control over such issues as music rights


It's a terrifying, nauseating problem, because the only way to generate enough money to defeat terrorism–infinite monies being required, to quote Cicero–is for US corporation to preserve some basic standard of profitability.

I always felt that Microsoft was indulged in great part for its eventual military applications or compatibility. The oil monopoly after all allowed us to be ready for world wars.

A global depression would most likely harm everyone. In such a case, there is a debate, but barring a total market collapse, we will have corporations with us.

Traditionally democracies fail for economic reasons, under which the economy has to be militarized, that's what tends to happen.




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