Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You

Posted by Max | Sat Sep 15th 2007 1:05 p.m.

Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
Max Herman
September 15, 2007

Kingdom=network=polis=culture

God
  • joseph mcelroy | Sat Sep 15th 2007 1:47 p.m.
    The problem of applying logic to accommodate delusion, is that when
    assumptions are false, nothing can result. Not to be disrespectful of
    the mind that produces an opinion, but if our underlying assumptions are
    different, we cannot reach an accommodation. I can accept the
    assumption that to some level, each and every human being hopes there is
    an afterlife, or hopes they are wrong in denying an afterlife. I can can
    understand that some believe (a basic assumption) there is a being who
    has organized things such that afterlife exists and that in order to
    reach this afterlife in a satisfactory position they must abide by
    certain rules in this life. However, my belief (basic assumption) is
    that these people are deluded. I can respect a process they might
    perform to attain a certain opinion, however if that opinion is based
    upon their basic assumption, I cannot respect the opinion itself.

    Thus you will need to explain the underlying basis for such statements
    as "Art should study and not disparage or dismiss religion" - if it is
    based upon your faith then I would probably have to reject this
    statement out of hand. If you can place it within a argument that world
    peace or some such practical matter might be achieved, I could
    effectively listen.

    Joseph

    Max Herman wrote:
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    > Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
    > Max Herman
    > September 15, 2007
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    > Kingdom=network=polis=culture
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    > God
  • Jim Andrews | Sat Sep 15th 2007 6:51 p.m.
    personally, i don't know if there's a god. i see no reason to believe so. i
    see no reason to believe not. i am agnostic. however, i see good reason not
    to try to explain earthly matters by attributing them to god's actions or
    will. that's no explanation at all. and i see no reason to believe that
    stories from the bible have anything more than a poetic truth. the
    overwhelming evidence, from fossils, from geological analysis, and from dna
    analysis is that we arose from the simplest of life forms on this planet (or
    some other).

    that doesn't mean there is no god. but it does mean that the stories in the
    bible about how humanity arose are mistaken and have, at most, a poetical
    truth. they are to be understood figuratively, not literally.

    poetical truth is very important to me.

    currently i'm reading 'the blind watchmaker' by richard dawkins. in it, he
    claims to explain how we can understand how very complex things such as
    animal and human physiology can arise without a designer. this sort of
    argument is important not only to matters biological but in art, concerning
    generative art.

    recently i visited europe for the first time. i visited a 600 year old
    church in haarlem, near amsterdam. amazing. there was a 5000+ pipe organ; an
    apprentice played it throughout our visit. also, the church had various
    other artifacts in it that impressed one with the realization that the
    church was very much an important local 'gallery'. the architecture. the
    organ. the artifacts. everything in it was a testament to the destiny and
    vision of the people buried under it. and their vision of god and humanity,
    of the cosmic drama. and their ingenuity. their passion. their seeking of
    answers. it was a tremendously uplifting experience.

    ja
    http://vispo.com

    ps: during the visit to the church, i was wearing a t-shirt with a big
    picture of george w bush. above the picture was the word INTERNATIONAL and
    below the picture was the word TERRORIST. as it happened, i chanced across
    two usamerican couples in the church. the female of the first couple
    approached me and said 'that's a very interesting t-shirt you have there.' i
    told her i bought it from the usa. she asked me where.
    internationalterrorist.com, i told her. ah, she said, that makes sense. i
    can't see anyone taking the chance of selling it in their store, she said.
    she and her husband were from seattle. she said 'you know, we look and we
    listen, and we can hardly believe what we're hearing at home.'

    the male of the second couple approached me some time later. he spoke with a
    thick dutch english accent. he said 'i'm very disappointed to see you
    wearing such a thing about my president. i voted for him twice and i'll do
    it again.' i had to give my head a bit of a shake. this was the first person
    i'd met who actually admitted to voting for george w. bush. and we were far
    from the madding crowd. and i was a bit stoned on good amsterdam pot.
    'actually, no you won't', i said. 'you can't. he can't run again.'

    'it doesn't matter,' he said, 'i'll do it anyway.'

    i had to laugh. whether through design or whatever, my laughter echoed
    through the dutch church. i stopped. it sounded like me but not just me. it
    wasn't him, though: he wasn't laughing.

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
    > Max Herman
    > Sent: September 15, 2007 9:06 AM
    > To: list@rhizome.org
    > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
    > Max Herman
    > September 15, 2007
    >
    >
    > Kingdom=network=polis=culture
    >
    > God
  • Max Herman | Sat Sep 15th 2007 11:59 p.m.
    Good story Jim! Thanks for relating it. A good note on which to end my
    postings for now.

    Best regards,

    Max Herman
    The Genius 2000 Network
    Rolling Submissions OK Through 9/15
    www.geocities.com/genius-2000

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    >From: Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com>
    >Reply-To: Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com>
    >To: list@rhizome.org
    >Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
    >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:49:39 -0700
    >
    >personally, i don't know if there's a god. i see no reason to believe so. i
    >see no reason to believe not. i am agnostic. however, i see good reason not
    >to try to explain earthly matters by attributing them to god's actions or
    >will. that's no explanation at all. and i see no reason to believe that
    >stories from the bible have anything more than a poetic truth. the
    >overwhelming evidence, from fossils, from geological analysis, and from dna
    >analysis is that we arose from the simplest of life forms on this planet
    >(or
    >some other).
    >
    >that doesn't mean there is no god. but it does mean that the stories in the
    >bible about how humanity arose are mistaken and have, at most, a poetical
    >truth. they are to be understood figuratively, not literally.
    >
    >poetical truth is very important to me.
    >
    >currently i'm reading 'the blind watchmaker' by richard dawkins. in it, he
    >claims to explain how we can understand how very complex things such as
    >animal and human physiology can arise without a designer. this sort of
    >argument is important not only to matters biological but in art, concerning
    >generative art.
    >
    >recently i visited europe for the first time. i visited a 600 year old
    >church in haarlem, near amsterdam. amazing. there was a 5000+ pipe organ;
    >an
    >apprentice played it throughout our visit. also, the church had various
    >other artifacts in it that impressed one with the realization that the
    >church was very much an important local 'gallery'. the architecture. the
    >organ. the artifacts. everything in it was a testament to the destiny and
    >vision of the people buried under it. and their vision of god and humanity,
    >of the cosmic drama. and their ingenuity. their passion. their seeking of
    >answers. it was a tremendously uplifting experience.
    >
    >ja
    >http://vispo.com
    >
    >ps: during the visit to the church, i was wearing a t-shirt with a big
    >picture of george w bush. above the picture was the word INTERNATIONAL and
    >below the picture was the word TERRORIST. as it happened, i chanced across
    >two usamerican couples in the church. the female of the first couple
    >approached me and said 'that's a very interesting t-shirt you have there.'
    >i
    >told her i bought it from the usa. she asked me where.
    >internationalterrorist.com, i told her. ah, she said, that makes sense. i
    >can't see anyone taking the chance of selling it in their store, she said.
    >she and her husband were from seattle. she said 'you know, we look and we
    >listen, and we can hardly believe what we're hearing at home.'
    >
    >the male of the second couple approached me some time later. he spoke with
    >a
    >thick dutch english accent. he said 'i'm very disappointed to see you
    >wearing such a thing about my president. i voted for him twice and i'll do
    >it again.' i had to give my head a bit of a shake. this was the first
    >person
    >i'd met who actually admitted to voting for george w. bush. and we were far
    >from the madding crowd. and i was a bit stoned on good amsterdam pot.
    >'actually, no you won't', i said. 'you can't. he can't run again.'
    >
    >'it doesn't matter,' he said, 'i'll do it anyway.'
    >
    >i had to laugh. whether through design or whatever, my laughter echoed
    >through the dutch church. i stopped. it sounded like me but not just me. it
    >wasn't him, though: he wasn't laughing.
    >
    >
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
    > > Max Herman
    > > Sent: September 15, 2007 9:06 AM
    > > To: list@rhizome.org
    > > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Networkism: The Kingdom of God is Within You
    > > Max Herman
    > > September 15, 2007
    > >
    > >
    > > Kingdom=network=polis=culture
    > >
    > > God
  • Eric Dymond | Sun Sep 16th 2007 3:06 a.m.
    Max was it really about

    Kingdom=network=polis=culture
    God
  • Maschine Hospital | Fri Oct 26th 2007 3:37 p.m.
    On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Max Herman wrote:

    > Die Zauberfloten refers to the marriage of Wisdom and Beauty.
    >
    > +++

    Upber da+da. A network of power + wisdom.
    The game of kings: the art of asha

    He nodded and several days later gave me a book about Asha, or chess,
    the royal game, the Game of Kings, thought to originate in India or Persia
    about 5,000 BCE. The book held that chess was a conscious construct that
    represented the laws and forces governing the world. The primary elements
    of chess are time, space, force and material. The white and black pieces
    symbolize the cosmic and natural forces which constantly struggle with one
    another for domination.

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