"Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization."
The paradox is… art has been a trade good since, ahhh… shortly after the beginning of human times. Wasn't art one of the first bourgeois enterprises to immerge at the end of the "dark ages"?
Was, like, Rembrandt an art worker for the National Gallery of Holland? And dude, like wasn't Durer a teacher at the university or Art College or something?
—–Original Message—– From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vijay Pattisapu Sent: April 5, 2007 10:29 AM To: Marisa Olson Cc: rhizome Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007
"Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization."
So what do we define as 'bourgeois enterprises' regarding art now?
marc
>The paradox is… art has been a trade good since, ahhh… shortly after the >beginning of human times. Wasn't art one of the first bourgeois enterprises >to immerge at the end of the "dark ages"? > >Was, like, Rembrandt an art worker for the National Gallery of Holland? And >dude, like wasn't Durer a teacher at the university or Art College or >something? > > > >—–Original Message—– >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >Vijay Pattisapu >Sent: April 5, 2007 10:29 AM >To: Marisa Olson >Cc: rhizome >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007 > >"Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art >constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the >financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due > to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant >socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other >hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization." > >"Sub-paradox"? Eh… > > >Vijay > > > > >On 04/04/07, Marisa Olson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>———- Forwarded message ———- >>From: Ana Buigues <[email protected]> >> >> >>http://www.plus.el-estudio.net/harte/arspublica0307.html >> >> >> >> >> >>ARS PUBLICA
I guess we should count the ways an artist can get by in life and still stay as close as possible to ones own vision. Sometimes you have to work the field. The artist is the worker, the muse, the sage and the whore.
> From: marc <[email protected]> > Reply-To: marc <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:07:25 +0100 > To: 'rhizome' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007 > > Hi Barry & all, > > So what do we define as 'bourgeois enterprises' regarding art now? > > marc > >> The paradox is… art has been a trade good since, ahhh… shortly after the >> beginning of human times. Wasn't art one of the first bourgeois enterprises >> to immerge at the end of the "dark ages"? >> >> Was, like, Rembrandt an art worker for the National Gallery of Holland? And >> dude, like wasn't Durer a teacher at the university or Art College or >> something? >> >> >> >> —–Original Message—– >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Vijay Pattisapu >> Sent: April 5, 2007 10:29 AM >> To: Marisa Olson >> Cc: rhizome >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007 >> >> "Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art >> constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the >> financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due >> to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant >> socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other >> hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization." >> >> "Sub-paradox"? Eh… >> >> >> Vijay >> >> >> >> >> On 04/04/07, Marisa Olson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> ———- Forwarded message ———- >>> From: Ana Buigues <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> http://www.plus.el-estudio.net/harte/arspublica0307.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ARS PUBLICA
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ars publica, vita privatim est
- Rob.
"Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art
constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the
financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due
to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant
socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other
hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization."
"Sub-paradox"? Eh…
Vijay
On 04/04/07, Marisa Olson <[email protected]> wrote:
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The paradox is… art has been a trade good since, ahhh… shortly after the
beginning of human times. Wasn't art one of the first bourgeois enterprises
to immerge at the end of the "dark ages"?
Was, like, Rembrandt an art worker for the National Gallery of Holland? And
dude, like wasn't Durer a teacher at the university or Art College or
something?
—–Original Message—–
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Vijay Pattisapu
Sent: April 5, 2007 10:29 AM
To: Marisa Olson
Cc: rhizome
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007
"Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art
constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the
financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due
to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant
socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other
hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization."
"Sub-paradox"? Eh…
Vijay
On 04/04/07, Marisa Olson <[email protected]> wrote:
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Hi Barry & all,
So what do we define as 'bourgeois enterprises' regarding art now?
marc
>The paradox is… art has been a trade good since, ahhh… shortly after the
>beginning of human times. Wasn't art one of the first bourgeois enterprises
>to immerge at the end of the "dark ages"?
>
>Was, like, Rembrandt an art worker for the National Gallery of Holland? And
>dude, like wasn't Durer a teacher at the university or Art College or
>something?
>
>
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>—–Original Message—–
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>Vijay Pattisapu
>Sent: April 5, 2007 10:29 AM
>To: Marisa Olson
>Cc: rhizome
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007
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>"Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art
>constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the
>financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due
> to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant
>socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other
>hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization."
>
>"Sub-paradox"? Eh…
>
>
>Vijay
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>On 04/04/07, Marisa Olson <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>———- Forwarded message ———-
>>From: Ana Buigues <[email protected]>
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>>http://www.plus.el-estudio.net/harte/arspublica0307.html
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>>ARS PUBLICA
I guess we should count the ways an artist can get by in life and still stay
as close as possible to ones own vision. Sometimes you have to work the
field. The artist is the worker, the muse, the sage and the whore.
> From: marc <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: marc <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:07:25 +0100
> To: 'rhizome' <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007
>
> Hi Barry & all,
>
> So what do we define as 'bourgeois enterprises' regarding art now?
>
> marc
>
>> The paradox is… art has been a trade good since, ahhh… shortly after the
>> beginning of human times. Wasn't art one of the first bourgeois enterprises
>> to immerge at the end of the "dark ages"?
>>
>> Was, like, Rembrandt an art worker for the National Gallery of Holland? And
>> dude, like wasn't Durer a teacher at the university or Art College or
>> something?
>>
>>
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> Vijay Pattisapu
>> Sent: April 5, 2007 10:29 AM
>> To: Marisa Olson
>> Cc: rhizome
>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fwd: Ars Publica - Curatorial Report, March 2007
>>
>> "Ars Publica basically is a commentary on the paradox that while art
>> constitutes another type of production to be commercialized, the
>> financial situation in which most artists encounter themselves, is due
>> to a sub-paradox that responds on the one hand to the irrelevant
>> socio-economic value generally associated with art; and on the other
>> hand with the elitist channels of art commercialization."
>>
>> "Sub-paradox"? Eh…
>>
>>
>> Vijay
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>>
>> On 04/04/07, Marisa Olson <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> From: Ana Buigues <[email protected]>
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>>> http://www.plus.el-estudio.net/harte/arspublica0307.html
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>>> ARS PUBLICA