Art is an institution based upon perceived value - for the most part
it is an elitist hobby defined by the leisure classes. The
relationship between the artist and the collector is a dance of
actualization - the artist attempts to fulfill a wish to be
witnessed, the collector wishes to actualize themselves by possessing
art. Old media is easy to possess … plus it has a long sexy back
story and thus it is more in demand and thus it is worth more and
thus it is better supported and so it goes. New media (digital
work?) … not so much history … plus it seems to violate the
possession part of the contract.
I suspect with time this will work itself out - and some of the
ArtBase work will seem more significant, eventually.
Like Annie, I am curious about what you like from the last 12 years.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
On Jan 12, 2007, at 7:25 AM, anniea wrote:
> dear Eric
>
> Could you name these significant paintings, photos and
> installations made in the last 12 years?
>
> Opening the doors to self publishing and networked visual
> expression might not have produced great images and text (but
> that's in for discussion also), but it has produced new
> communication spaces and very significant volatile interactions. It
> is contributing every day to giving people air in a totally by
> economics determined world, that only interacts with them on a
> customized base and accustoms them to being treated as databases.
>
> Eric, if you want me to take you serious, you should start to give
> precise critics on works you don't think meeting the standards you
> would like to use.
>
> yours Annie
>
> On 1/12/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: Why is New
> Media Art so insignificant?
> I have been going over the last 12 years of New Media
> works trying to find a significant work of art and I
> have come up empty. Not lost however, and that is a positive thing.
> This
> failure isn't true of Painting, Photography,
> Installation Art. Those media have all produced
> memorable works.
> Film and Video have flourished as well ( I think that
> helps explain the flood of videos by new media
> artists), but the use of new media for visual
> expression is sadly on the last bench of the stadium.
> Even the so-called success of electronic literature
> pales when compared with the interesting work created
> in the printed media.
> Why?
> It doesn't make sense at first.
> Opening the doors to self publishing and networked
> visual expression should have produced great images and
> text by now, but it hasn't.
> Whats wrong?
> I think there is a strange attractor act work here.
> Works that go through the pain and prejudice of the
> existing mandated mechanisms actually come out the better for it.
> There is rigor and self-criticism that is sorely
> lacking in networked publishing and visual expression in
> *communities*.
> For me to acknowledge this is blasphemy in many ways.
> I was an early proponent of the creative commons (see
> Leonardo, Vol. 31, No. 4 (1998), pp. 297-298).
> Is a culture important when it concerns
> itself with determining what works contain quality and depth and
> operate
> as a necessary filter to keep out those works that deserve to fail?
> Well,
> no more lazy art. No More easy graphics.
> If New Media wants to grow up, then it has to set some
> rigorous standards and demand that the work ACTUALLY be
> culturally significant on a broad scale. Self indulgence is fun,
> but it's
> lazy and middling, and stupid.
> My avatar died last month, send condolences to Dymes Mulberry on
> Second
> Life. Eric
>
>
>
>
> –
> 17-24 Jan. "wat is angst, waarom bang zijn, waarvoor vrezen" and a
> new version of "rassur" for "Oog" the internet art page of "de
> Volkskrant", a Dutch national news paper. http://
> extra.volkskrant.nl/oog
new media smelt down
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Type: discussion
Comments
A followup to my last post (as I am sitting here alone in my post
studio studio wrapping up a new digital artwork for an upcoming
affordable art exhibit). If I were to choose three artists whose
work I am most influenced by (in spirit at any rate), they would all
be modernist painters: Klee, Morandi and Dubuffet.
j
On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Jason Van Anden wrote:
> Art is an institution based upon perceived value - for the most
> part it is an elitist hobby defined by the leisure classes. The
> relationship between the artist and the collector is a dance of
> actualization - the artist attempts to fulfill a wish to be
> witnessed, the collector wishes to actualize themselves by
> possessing art. Old media is easy to possess … plus it has a
> long sexy back story and thus it is more in demand and thus it is
> worth more and thus it is better supported and so it goes. New
> media (digital work?) … not so much history … plus it seems to
> violate the possession part of the contract.
>
> I suspect with time this will work itself out - and some of the
> ArtBase work will seem more significant, eventually.
>
> Like Annie, I am curious about what you like from the last 12 years.
>
> Jason Van Anden
> www.smileproject.com
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2007, at 7:25 AM, anniea wrote:
>
>> dear Eric
>>
>> Could you name these significant paintings, photos and
>> installations made in the last 12 years?
>>
>> Opening the doors to self publishing and networked visual
>> expression might not have produced great images and text (but
>> that's in for discussion also), but it has produced new
>> communication spaces and very significant volatile interactions.
>> It is contributing every day to giving people air in a totally by
>> economics determined world, that only interacts with them on a
>> customized base and accustoms them to being treated as databases.
>>
>> Eric, if you want me to take you serious, you should start to give
>> precise critics on works you don't think meeting the standards you
>> would like to use.
>>
>> yours Annie
>>
>> On 1/12/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: Why is
>> New Media Art so insignificant?
>> I have been going over the last 12 years of New Media
>> works trying to find a significant work of art and I
>> have come up empty. Not lost however, and that is a positive
>> thing. This
>> failure isn't true of Painting, Photography,
>> Installation Art. Those media have all produced
>> memorable works.
>> Film and Video have flourished as well ( I think that
>> helps explain the flood of videos by new media
>> artists), but the use of new media for visual
>> expression is sadly on the last bench of the stadium.
>> Even the so-called success of electronic literature
>> pales when compared with the interesting work created
>> in the printed media.
>> Why?
>> It doesn't make sense at first.
>> Opening the doors to self publishing and networked
>> visual expression should have produced great images and
>> text by now, but it hasn't.
>> Whats wrong?
>> I think there is a strange attractor act work here.
>> Works that go through the pain and prejudice of the
>> existing mandated mechanisms actually come out the better for it.
>> There is rigor and self-criticism that is sorely
>> lacking in networked publishing and visual expression in
>> *communities*.
>> For me to acknowledge this is blasphemy in many ways.
>> I was an early proponent of the creative commons (see
>> Leonardo, Vol. 31, No. 4 (1998), pp. 297-298).
>> Is a culture important when it concerns
>> itself with determining what works contain quality and depth and
>> operate
>> as a necessary filter to keep out those works that deserve to
>> fail? Well,
>> no more lazy art. No More easy graphics.
>> If New Media wants to grow up, then it has to set some
>> rigorous standards and demand that the work ACTUALLY be
>> culturally significant on a broad scale. Self indulgence is fun,
>> but it's
>> lazy and middling, and stupid.
>> My avatar died last month, send condolences to Dymes Mulberry on
>> Second
>> Life. Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> –
>> 17-24 Jan. "wat is angst, waarom bang zijn, waarvoor vrezen" and
>> a new version of "rassur" for "Oog" the internet art page of "de
>> Volkskrant", a Dutch national news paper. http://
>> extra.volkskrant.nl/oog