Re: New on post.thing.net

gh responds:
Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on an article or post your own article. The only difference is that it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface before dismissing it offhand?

annie abrahams wrote:

> I am against blogs
>
> I am for lists
>
> I won't participate, no blog for me.
> unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> link, has it disappeared?
>
> I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> invest lists again
>
>
> best Annie Abrahams
>
> On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
> http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
> There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and around
> the world. Some recent bloggers include:
> >
> > James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
> > Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
> >
> > Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
> Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
> >
> > Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
> first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
> http://post.thing.net
> >
> > The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
> >
> > I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
> would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
> > Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me and I'll
> set you up with a blog!!
> > +
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>
> –
>
> "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
> Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
> "Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour de la
> "peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
> http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>

a funny joke.

annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
>
>

–
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Yes I knew post.thing.net interface. Someone pointed it out to me a
few weeks ago. I do have nothing against it "personally".

I cite Eric Dymond "It truncates it. It also looses something, the
stream of thought, the interaction is missing, something active and
alive just isn't there.
Lists belong to a continuum, blogs are private and chunky, and read by
far fewer people."

Yes, I do prefer what you call "closed discussion" read by the
initiated subscribed to a listserv above no discussion at all that I
find in most blogs. I do prefer to be confronted to all kinds of
messages, ideas, different opinions of a list community above finding
more of the same on the rss of a blog. (of course there are
exceptions)
a blog is monolithic a list is multiple
a blog is materiel, a list is a fluid
a blog is glue and crystals, a list soap and bubbles

Blogs can serve specific working situations, as making collections
together. But mostly they serve only to reinforce the identity of the
blogger.
It might also be that as T.Whid stated some time ago, that they serve
as a secure haven where one can have opinions without having to
discuss them.
blogs are save, lists are dangerous (in potential)

in potential
That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce existing ones.

best
Annie



On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
> gh responds:
> Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on an article or post your own article. The only difference is that it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface before dismissing it offhand?
>
> annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I am against blogs
> >
> > I am for lists
> >
> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > link, has it disappeared?
> >
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
> >
> >
> > best Annie Abrahams
> >
> > On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
> > http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
> > There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and around
> > the world. Some recent bloggers include:
> > >
> > > James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
> > > Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
> > >
> > > Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
> > Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
> > >
> > > Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
> > first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
> > http://post.thing.net
> > >
> > > The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
> > >
> > > I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
> > would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
> > > Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me and I'll
> > set you up with a blog!!
> > > +
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> >
> >
> > –
> >
> > "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
> > Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
> > "Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour de la
> > "peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
> > http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
> >
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
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>


–

"FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
"Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
"peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm

aa(wo)men

i++ == j != [mez]


On Nov 27, 2006, at 5:20 PM, Annie Abrahams wrote:

> Yes I knew post.thing.net interface. Someone pointed it out to me a
> few weeks ago. I do have nothing against it "personally".
>
> I cite Eric Dymond "It truncates it. It also looses something, the
> stream of thought, the interaction is missing, something active and
> alive just isn't there.
> Lists belong to a continuum, blogs are private and chunky, and read by
> far fewer people."
>
> Yes, I do prefer what you call "closed discussion" read by the
> initiated subscribed to a listserv above no discussion at all that I
> find in most blogs. I do prefer to be confronted to all kinds of
> messages, ideas, different opinions of a list community above finding
> more of the same on the rss of a blog. (of course there are
> exceptions)
> a blog is monolithic a list is multiple
> a blog is materiel, a list is a fluid
> a blog is glue and crystals, a list soap and bubbles
>
> Blogs can serve specific working situations, as making collections
> together. But mostly they serve only to reinforce the identity of the
> blogger.
> It might also be that as T.Whid stated some time ago, that they serve
> as a secure haven where one can have opinions without having to
> discuss them.
> blogs are save, lists are dangerous (in potential)
>
> in potential
> That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce
> existing ones.
>
> best
> Annie
>
>
>
> On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> gh responds:
>> Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic
>> to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on
>> an article or post your own article. The only difference is that
>> it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of
>> structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the
>> initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In
>> fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via
>> google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot
>> clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv
>> structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you
>> actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface
>> before dismissing it offhand?
>>
>> annie abrahams wrote:
>>
>> > I am against blogs
>> >
>> > I am for lists
>> >
>> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
>> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot
>> find a
>> > link, has it disappeared?
>> >
>> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
>> > invest lists again
>> >
>> >
>> > best Annie Abrahams
>> >
>> > On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
>> > http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
>> > There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and
>> around
>> > the world. Some recent bloggers include:
>> > >
>> > > James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
>> > > Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
>> > >
>> > > Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
>> > Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
>> > >
>> > > Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
>> > first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
>> > http://post.thing.net
>> > >
>> > > The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
>> > >
>> > > I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
>> > would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
>> > > Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me
>> and I'll
>> > set you up with a blog!!
>> > > +
>> > > -> post: [email protected]
>> > > -> questions: [email protected]
>> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> > > +
>> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> > > Membership Agreement available online at
>> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > –
>> >
>> > "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
>> > Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
>> > "Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour
>> de la
>> > "peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
>> > http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>> >
>> +
>> -> post: [email protected]
>> -> questions: [email protected]
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
>> subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
>> 29.php
>>
>
>
> –
>
> "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
> Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
> "Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
> "peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
> http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
> subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
> 29.php

Hi Annie & Eric,

>in potential
>That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce
existing ones.

I am definately one for lists, as many of you who have shared
discussions with me through the years are aware of, but I also like
blogs - they offer different resonances & functions.

So, I am split here. Perhaps there is no absolute, only opinion…

marc



> Yes I knew post.thing.net interface. Someone pointed it out to me a
> few weeks ago. I do have nothing against it "personally".
>
> I cite Eric Dymond "It truncates it. It also looses something, the
> stream of thought, the interaction is missing, something active and
> alive just isn't there.
> Lists belong to a continuum, blogs are private and chunky, and read by
> far fewer people."
>
> Yes, I do prefer what you call "closed discussion" read by the
> initiated subscribed to a listserv above no discussion at all that I
> find in most blogs. I do prefer to be confronted to all kinds of
> messages, ideas, different opinions of a list community above finding
> more of the same on the rss of a blog. (of course there are
> exceptions)
> a blog is monolithic a list is multiple
> a blog is materiel, a list is a fluid
> a blog is glue and crystals, a list soap and bubbles
>
> Blogs can serve specific working situations, as making collections
> together. But mostly they serve only to reinforce the identity of the
> blogger.
> It might also be that as T.Whid stated some time ago, that they serve
> as a secure haven where one can have opinions without having to
> discuss them.
> blogs are save, lists are dangerous (in potential)
>
> in potential
> That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce
> existing ones.
>
> best
> Annie
>
>
>
> On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> gh responds:
>> Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic to
>> the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on an
>> article or post your own article. The only difference is that it's
>> client pull. What are your objections to these type of structures?
>> Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the initiated may read if
>> they are subscribed to a listserv? In fact, the cms we use is more
>> accessible to the networked world via google searches. The threaded
>> discussions are actually a lot clearer and easier to follow that the
>> traditional email listserv structure. I wonder what you objections
>> might be then. Have you actually taken the time to use the new
>> post.thing.net interface before dismissing it offhand?
>>
>> annie abrahams wrote:
>>
>> > I am against blogs
>> >
>> > I am for lists
>> >
>> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
>> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
>> > link, has it disappeared?
>> >
>> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
>> > invest lists again
>> >
>> >
>> > best Annie Abrahams
>> >
>> > On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
>> > http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
>> > There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and around
>> > the world. Some recent bloggers include:
>> > >
>> > > James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
>> > > Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
>> > >
>> > > Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
>> > Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
>> > >
>> > > Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
>> > first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
>> > http://post.thing.net
>> > >
>> > > The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
>> > >
>> > > I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
>> > would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
>> > > Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me and I'll
>> > set you up with a blog!!
>> > > +
>> > > -> post: [email protected]
>> > > -> questions: [email protected]
>> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> > > +
>> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> > > Membership Agreement available online at
>> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > –
>> >
>> > "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
>> > Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
>> > "Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour de la
>> > "peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
>> > http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>> >
>> +
>> -> post: [email protected]
>> -> questions: [email protected]
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>
>


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perhaps it is the logical clearness and ease of use that is problem - I
myself love the lack of linear sequence I get from lists. Having lived
in a world of developing logical, user-friendly interfaces, I am tired
of them. I long for an operating system made like a stack of old papers
and books, where I know where everything is because I put it there and
no one else can find anything without working a bit.
best
joseph

G.H. Hovagimyan wrote:
> gh responds:
> Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on an article or post your own article. The only difference is that it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface before dismissing it offhand?
>
> annie abrahams wrote:
>
>
>> I am against blogs
>>
>> I am for lists
>>
>> I won't participate, no blog for me.
>> unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
>> link, has it disappeared?
>>
>> I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
>> invest lists again
>>
>>
>> best Annie Abrahams
>>
>> On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
>>>
>> http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
>> There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and around
>> the world. Some recent bloggers include:
>>
>>> James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
>>> Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
>>>
>>> Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
>>>
>> Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
>>
>>> Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
>>>
>> first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
>> http://post.thing.net
>>
>>> The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
>>>
>>> I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
>>>
>> would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
>>
>>> Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me and I'll
>>>
>> set you up with a blog!!
>>
>>> +
>>> -> post: [email protected]
>>> -> questions: [email protected]
>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>>>
>> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>
>>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>> +
>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>> Membership Agreement available online at
>>>
>> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>> –
>>
>> "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
>> Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
>> "Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour de la
>> "peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
>> http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>>
>>
> +
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> -> questions: [email protected]
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>
>
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I am also generally against blogs myself. However, at least for a while, I feel I need to address them.

More soon.

I genrally agree with most of Annie's assertions, but I feel that I need to confront the idea of the blog myself.

As a quick commentary, I feel like the blog and the Thing Forums compartmentalize conversation into neat threads that exclude the amorphousness of open list discussion, which I generally prefer.

However, I have some very specific reasons for going on Thing and Furtherfield for a while. More on this in a bit.

Patrick Lichty
- Interactive Arts & Media
Columbia College, Chicago
- Editor-In-Chief
Intelligent Agent Magazine
http://www.intelligentagent.com
225 288 5813
[email protected]

"It is better to die on your feet
than to live on your knees."



Yes I knew post.thing.net interface. Someone pointed it out to me a
few weeks ago. I do have nothing against it "personally".

I cite Eric Dymond "It truncates it. It also looses something, the
stream of thought, the interaction is missing, something active and
alive just isn't there.
Lists belong to a continuum, blogs are private and chunky, and read by
far fewer people."

Yes, I do prefer what you call "closed discussion" read by the
initiated subscribed to a listserv above no discussion at all that I
find in most blogs. I do prefer to be confronted to all kinds of
messages, ideas, different opinions of a list community above finding
more of the same on the rss of a blog. (of course there are
exceptions)
a blog is monolithic a list is multiple
a blog is materiel, a list is a fluid
a blog is glue and crystals, a list soap and bubbles

Blogs can serve specific working situations, as making collections
together. But mostly they serve only to reinforce the identity of the
blogger.
It might also be that as T.Whid stated some time ago, that they serve
as a secure haven where one can have opinions without having to
discuss them.
blogs are save, lists are dangerous (in potential)

in potential
That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce existing ones.

best
Annie



On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
> gh responds:
> Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on an article or post your own article. The only difference is that it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface before dismissing it offhand?
>
> annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I am against blogs
> >
> > I am for lists
> >
> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > link, has it disappeared?
> >
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
> >
> >
> > best Annie Abrahams
> >
> > On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
> > http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
> > There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and around
> > the world. Some recent bloggers include:
> > >
> > > James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
> > > Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
> > >
> > > Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
> > Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
> > >
> > > Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
> > first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
> > http://post.thing.net
> > >
> > > The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
> > >
> > > I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
> > would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
> > > Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me and I'll
> > set you up with a blog!!
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Hi patrick & all,

Just want mention here that when Patrick say's that he's writing on
Furherfield that he is not referring to the main site - what he is
discussing here is the new blog that we have had up now for about 5
weeks (may be more) - http://blog.furtherfield.org

The blog is for those who wish to explore their own personal experience
and practice on media art and connected creative explorations. It is
consciously with an emphasis on 'practice' in respect of those who show
media art, net art, curate it, write about it and want to put their
current ideas somewhere and share them with others who are interested as
well.

We have not publicized the blog that much, because to be honest it is
not about trawling the Internet and reblogging, it is a small community
who wish to focus more their experiences and reflect upon their
subjective studies, and networked behaviours without the pressure of
having to be self-consciously academic or presenting what they are up to
in an aggressive manner - it is space for reflection, thinking, playing
with ideas, putting down your own histories on your own terms, and of
course working things out…

Of course the main Furtherfield site is much different :-)

—I think lists are great and will use them as long as they carry on
being there, but I am not a singular soul and I also like exploring
other ways of being on-line, and if others wish to do that as well with
us on the blog, I see no problem with that at all :-)

The Furtherfield blog, is not about promotion, it is about reflection
and exploring without that sort of pressure, but at the same time being
open to discuss if the occassion arises. It is different to most blogs
for it does not demand an audience - it will survive and be what it
wants to be whether an audience is part of it or not.

I also feel that because Furtherfield has spent so much time doing stuff
for so many 'excellent' dudes out there - that we should allow ourselves
this sort of space to recuperate, in a context that is the opposite of
pushing out all of the time…

Of course, if this blog says something to you as a thinker or creative
individual who likes to explore various ideas regarding one's own
practice and experience, you are very welcome to contact us and ask to
be part of the blog

wishing everyone well marc


>I am also generally against blogs myself. However, at least for a while, I feel I need to address them.
>
>More soon.
>
>I genrally agree with most of Annie's assertions, but I feel that I need to confront the idea of the blog myself.
>
>As a quick commentary, I feel like the blog and the Thing Forums compartmentalize conversation into neat threads that exclude the amorphousness of open list discussion, which I generally prefer.
>
>However, I have some very specific reasons for going on Thing and Furtherfield for a while. More on this in a bit.
>
>Patrick Lichty
>- Interactive Arts & Media
> Columbia College, Chicago
>- Editor-In-Chief
> Intelligent Agent Magazine
>http://www.intelligentagent.com
>225 288 5813
>[email protected]
>
>"It is better to die on your feet
>than to live on your knees."
>
>
>
>Yes I knew post.thing.net interface. Someone pointed it out to me a
>few weeks ago. I do have nothing against it "personally".
>
>I cite Eric Dymond "It truncates it. It also looses something, the
>stream of thought, the interaction is missing, something active and
>alive just isn't there.
>Lists belong to a continuum, blogs are private and chunky, and read by
>far fewer people."
>
>Yes, I do prefer what you call "closed discussion" read by the
>initiated subscribed to a listserv above no discussion at all that I
>find in most blogs. I do prefer to be confronted to all kinds of
>messages, ideas, different opinions of a list community above finding
>more of the same on the rss of a blog. (of course there are
>exceptions)
>a blog is monolithic a list is multiple
>a blog is materiel, a list is a fluid
>a blog is glue and crystals, a list soap and bubbles
>
>Blogs can serve specific working situations, as making collections
>together. But mostly they serve only to reinforce the identity of the
>blogger.
>It might also be that as T.Whid stated some time ago, that they serve
>as a secure haven where one can have opinions without having to
>discuss them.
>blogs are save, lists are dangerous (in potential)
>
>in potential
>That's why we should stay on the lists side and try to reinforce existing ones.
>
>best
>Annie
>
>
>
>On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>gh responds:
>>Actually there are several forms of threaded discourse intrinsic to the cms we're using. You can start your own forum or comment on an article or post your own article. The only difference is that it's client pull. What are your objections to these type of structures? Do you prefer a closed discussion that only the initiated may read if they are subscribed to a listserv? In fact, the cms we use is more accessible to the networked world via google searches. The threaded discussions are actually a lot clearer and easier to follow that the traditional email listserv structure. I wonder what you objections might be then. Have you actually taken the time to use the new post.thing.net interface before dismissing it offhand?
>>
>>annie abrahams wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am against blogs
>>>
>>>I am for lists
>>>
>>>I won't participate, no blog for me.
>>>unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
>>>link, has it disappeared?
>>>
>>>I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
>>>invest lists again
>>>
>>>
>>>best Annie Abrahams
>>>
>>>On 11/27/06, G.H. Hovagimyan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>I've taken over the editorship of post.thing.net.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>http://post.thing.net I've been inviting people to come and blog.
>>>There are many new bloggers joining from around the country and around
>>>the world. Some recent bloggers include:
>>>
>>>
>>>>James Allan - England - http://post.thing.net/blog/171
>>>>Isabel Arvers - Switzerland - http://post.thing.net/blog/200
>>>>
>>>>Casper Straeke is reporting on the 4th international Media Art
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Biennale Seoul 2006. frontpage- http://post.thing.net
>>>
>>>
>>>>Patrick Lichty has continued his thoughts on Craft and New Media
>>>>
>>>>
>>>first presented informally on rhizome. frontpage-
>>>http://post.thing.net
>>>
>>>
>>>>The juxtapositon of these two essays is very exciting!
>>>>
>>>>I would like to extend a special invitation to women bloggers who
>>>>
>>>>
>>>would like to become part of this exciting discourse.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey! don't let the boy's club just rule things!! Contact me and I'll
>>>>
>>>>
>>>set you up with a blog!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>+
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>>>>-> questions: [email protected]
>>>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>Membership Agreement available online at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>
>>>
>>>–
>>>
>>>"FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
>>>Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
>>>"Peurs" Participez � la cr�ation d'une voix collective autour de la
>>>"peur". Aidez � en r�v�ler les tendances actuelles.
>>>http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>
>


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annie abrahams wrote:

> I am against blogs
>
> I am for lists
>
> I won't participate, no blog for me.
> unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> link, has it disappeared?
>
> I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> invest lists again

"Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read anothers brain. We are like submarines progressing by the information of our own internal monitors but unable to see what is really going on. In every tentative to understand another human being, we have to let in unknown information, that has the potential to destabilize us. That's dangerous, and so most human beings prefer a misunderstanding attitude over an understanding one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005

I like blogs
I like lists
I like email
I like vlogs
I like phologs
I kind of like myspace…kind of…
I like code
I like web 2.0
I like flickr…kind of
I like del.icio.us
I like the net
I like rhizome
I like the thing
I like art

and so on…

I like the fact that Annie Abrahams was taking a stand - making a deliberate
choice to invest the time she has for written communication in an informal
collective list (like here) rather than be turned into an(other) amateur
columnist in the blogsphere. Her reasoning made me even more happy. HG's
intentions are pure to be sure - but blogs cause a brain drain on
communities such as Rhizome. I read blogs too - but I prefer the Rhizome
list. I rarely wander over to the mtaa site - but I read posts here many
times a day.

M. River, I wish you felt the same way so I would see more of you.

Best,
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com


On 11/29/06, M. River <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I am against blogs
> >
> > I am for lists
> >
> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > link, has it disappeared?
> >
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
>
> "Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read anothers
> brain. We are like submarines progressing by the information of our own
> internal monitors but unable to see what is really going on. In every
> tentative to understand another human being, we have to let in unknown
> information, that has the potential to destabilize us. That's dangerous, and
> so most human beings prefer a misunderstanding attitude over an
> understanding one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005
>
> I like blogs
> I like lists
> I like email
> I like vlogs
> I like phologs
> I kind of like myspace…kind of…
> I like code
> I like web 2.0
> I like flickr…kind of
> I like del.icio.us
> I like the net
> I like rhizome
> I like the thing
> I like art
>
> and so on…
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>



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http://www.smileproject.com

i don't have a blog. actually i do. i signed up for one. but i don't operate in such a way that i was moved to do anything with it. it's just not me, apparently.

here's a blog i visit fairly often: http://dbqp.blogspot.com . this is geof huth's blog on visual poetry.

the form of the blog is not going to be right for all, but apparently it is very right for what geof is doing at the moment. i first encountered geof's work in the late 80's; i've been following his work for a long time. i don't know of a more serious one concerning visual poetry. there are other blogs concerning visual poetry where interesting visual poets post good work. but the blog is sort of incidental to most of these blogs. it's just somewhere to post the work. whereas huth is doing something else.

what are the urls of blogs you visit fairly often?

ja
http://vispo.com

Hi Jason,

I certainly do not want Annie to feel that I personally dislike her
opinion, I respect it just as I know that she would respect my own
opinion (gulp), even if she does not agree with my own - After all, we
are not robots, yet.

And what makes life interesting, is discovering other people's
perspectives and their positions, in respect of what they are inclined
to value. For we are a multi-cultural world, even if mono-cultural
stances are ruling our poitical frameworks and world politics at present.

marc

> I like the fact that Annie Abrahams was taking a stand - making a
> deliberate choice to invest the time she has for written communication
> in an informal collective list (like here) rather than be turned into
> an(other) amateur columnist in the blogsphere. Her reasoning made me
> even more happy. HG's intentions are pure to be sure - but blogs
> cause a brain drain on communities such as Rhizome. I read blogs too -
> but I prefer the Rhizome list. I rarely wander over to the mtaa site
> - but I read posts here many times a day.
>
> M. River, I wish you felt the same way so I would see more of you.
>
> Best,
> Jason Van Anden
> www.smileproject.com <http://www.smileproject.com>
>
>
> On 11/29/06, *M. River* <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I am against blogs
> >
> > I am for lists
> >
> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > link, has it disappeared?
> >
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
>
> "Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read
> anothers brain. We are like submarines progressing by the
> information of our own internal monitors but unable to see what is
> really going on. In every tentative to understand another human
> being, we have to let in unknown information, that has the
> potential to destabilize us. That's dangerous, and so most human
> beings prefer a misunderstanding attitude over an understanding
> one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005
>
> I like blogs
> I like lists
> I like email
> I like vlogs
> I like phologs
> I kind of like myspace…kind of…
> I like code
> I like web 2.0
> I like flickr…kind of
> I like del.icio.us <http://del.icio.us>
> I like the net
> I like rhizome
> I like the thing
> I like art
>
> and so on…
>
>
>
> +
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> -> questions: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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> +
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> Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
>
>
> –
> Jason Van Anden
> http://www.smileproject.com



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Node.London - http://www.nodel.org

M. River wrote:

> annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I am against blogs
> >
> > I am for lists
> >
> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > link, has it disappeared?
> >
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
>
> "Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read
> anothers brain. We are like submarines progressing by the information
> of our own internal monitors but unable to see what is really going
> on. In every tentative to understand another human being, we have to
> let in unknown information, that has the potential to destabilize us.
> That's dangerous, and so most human beings prefer a misunderstanding
> attitude over an understanding one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005
>
> I like blogs
> I like lists
> I like email
> I like vlogs
> I like phologs
> I kind of like myspace…kind of…
> I like code
> I like web 2.0
> I like flickr…kind of
> I like del.icio.us
> I like the net
> I like rhizome
> I like the thing
> I like art
>
> and so on…

and….
your an information slut.
But what do you *really really* like.

First off post.thing.net looks cool and I have book marked it for further r=
eading.

annie abrahams wrote:
> I am against blogs
> I am for lists

I am for both. In the context of encouraging discussion, Annie is right tho=
ugh, lists still win over blogs hands down. To me blogs and lists serve two=
different purposes. In my mind, blogs are for publishing thoughts and vari=
ous stuff like music, new projects and so on. My blog is sort of my persona=
l podium. Comments make blogs a little more interactive but its a pain to k=
eep up with the spammers. Lists seem more ripe for discussion. I think it =
is that way entirely because you have to make a conscious decision to go to=
a blog to experience it, with email lists the discussion lands in your ema=
il box.

Just a thought… it would probably not be too tough to make RAW discussio=
ns both. A moderator/super user could flag certain threads as "discussion" =
and a script could plop them into a blog format. Comments could then be sen=
t back to RAW. Then we would get the www search and syndicated benefits of=
blogs with the email delivery of lists. I guess it is already sort of this=
way with the searchable text objects and RAW post form. Hmmm.

Jim Andrews wrote:
> what are the urls of blogs you visit fairly often?

Chris Ashley's Blog
http://chrisashley.net/weblog/

Tom Moody's Blog
http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/

Thinking About Art
http://thinkingaboutart.blogs.com/art/

Turbulence.org Blog
http://turbulence.org/blog/

Wooster Collective (street art)
http://www.woostercollective.com/

Generator Blog (fun generators)
http://generatorblog.blogspot.com/

Patently Silly (bizarre patents, very funny)
http://www.patentlysilly.com/

and of course my personal blog about art, my projects, my music and my kids=
…..
http://www.donrelyea.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi

Regards,
Don Relyea=

Marc, of course I do respect your opinion

No one can suspect you of abandoning whatever
You are present on rhizome
Almost every day I find very interesting links and texts you send to
the NetBehaviour list (I appreciate that very much)
and now I learn you are blogging too

best
Annie


On 11/29/06, marc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> I certainly do not want Annie to feel that I personally dislike her
> opinion, I respect it just as I know that she would respect my own
> opinion (gulp), even if she does not agree with my own - After all, we
> are not robots, yet.
>
> And what makes life interesting, is discovering other people's
> perspectives and their positions, in respect of what they are inclined
> to value. For we are a multi-cultural world, even if mono-cultural
> stances are ruling our poitical frameworks and world politics at present.
>
> marc
>
> > I like the fact that Annie Abrahams was taking a stand - making a
> > deliberate choice to invest the time she has for written communication
> > in an informal collective list (like here) rather than be turned into
> > an(other) amateur columnist in the blogsphere. Her reasoning made me
> > even more happy. HG's intentions are pure to be sure - but blogs
> > cause a brain drain on communities such as Rhizome. I read blogs too -
> > but I prefer the Rhizome list. I rarely wander over to the mtaa site
> > - but I read posts here many times a day.
> >
> > M. River, I wish you felt the same way so I would see more of you.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jason Van Anden
> > www.smileproject.com <http://www.smileproject.com>
> >
> >
> > On 11/29/06, *M. River* <[email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> > annie abrahams wrote:
> >
> > > I am against blogs
> > >
> > > I am for lists
> > >
> > > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > > link, has it disappeared?
> > >
> > > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > > invest lists again
> >
> > "Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read
> > anothers brain. We are like submarines progressing by the
> > information of our own internal monitors but unable to see what is
> > really going on. In every tentative to understand another human
> > being, we have to let in unknown information, that has the
> > potential to destabilize us. That's dangerous, and so most human
> > beings prefer a misunderstanding attitude over an understanding
> > one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005
> >
> > I like blogs
> > I like lists
> > I like email
> > I like vlogs
> > I like phologs
> > I kind of like myspace…kind of…
> > I like code
> > I like web 2.0
> > I like flickr…kind of
> > I like del.icio.us <http://del.icio.us>
> > I like the net
> > I like rhizome
> > I like the thing
> > I like art
> >
> > and so on…
> >
> >
> >
> > +
> > -> post: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > -> questions: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support <http://rhizome.org/support>
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > –
> > Jason Van Anden
> > http://www.smileproject.com
>
>
>
> –
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> HTTP - http://www.http.uk.net
> Node.London - http://www.nodel.org
>
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Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
"Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
"peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm

thanks Jason

this is also how I feel


> On 11/29/06, Jason Van Anden <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I like the fact that Annie Abrahams was taking a stand - making a deliberate
> > choice to invest the time she has for written communication in an informal
> > collective list (like here) rather than be turned into an(other) amateur
> > columnist in the blogsphere. Her reasoning made me even more happy. HG's
> > intentions are pure to be sure - but blogs cause a brain drain on
> > communities such as Rhizome. I read blogs too - but I prefer the Rhizome
> > list. I rarely wander over to the mtaa site - but I read posts here many
> > times a day.
> >
> > M. River, I wish you felt the same way so I would see more of you.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jason Van Anden
> > www.smileproject.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/29/06, M. River <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > annie abrahams wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am against blogs
> > > >
> > > > I am for lists
> > > >
> > > > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > > > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > > > link, has it disappeared?
> > > >
> > > > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > > > invest lists again
> > >
> > > "Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read anothers
> > brain. We are like submarines progressing by the information of our own
> > internal monitors but unable to see what is really going on. In every
> > tentative to understand another human being, we have to let in unknown
> > information, that has the potential to destabilize us. That's dangerous, and
> > so most human beings prefer a misunderstanding attitude over an
> > understanding one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005
> > >
> > > I like blogs
> > > I like lists
> > > I like email
> > > I like vlogs
> > > I like phologs
> > > I kind of like myspace…kind of…
> > > I like code
> > > I like web 2.0
> > > I like flickr…kind of
> > > I like del.icio.us
> > > I like the net
> > > I like rhizome
> > > I like the thing
> > > I like art
> > >
> > > and so on…
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > +
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > –
> > Jason Van Anden
> > http://www.smileproject.com
>
>
> –
>
> "FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
> Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
> "Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
> "peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
> http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm
>


–

"FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
"Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
"peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm

I like Mark River

On 11/29/06, M. River <[email protected]> wrote:
> annie abrahams wrote:
>
> > I am against blogs
> >
> > I am for lists
> >
> > I won't participate, no blog for me.
> > unless a participative blog as the noblog of jim punk (cannot find a
> > link, has it disappeared?
> >
> > I hope other women also will leave the blogs to men and will try to
> > invest lists again
>
> "Misunderstanding is fundamental of human beings. We cannot read anothers brain. We are like submarines progressing by the information of our own internal monitors but unable to see what is really going on. In every tentative to understand another human being, we have to let in unknown information, that has the potential to destabilize us. That's dangerous, and so most human beings prefer a misunderstanding attitude over an understanding one." Annie Abrahams 1997 2005
>
> I like blogs
> I like lists
> I like email
> I like vlogs
> I like phologs
> I kind of like myspace…kind of…
> I like code
> I like web 2.0
> I like flickr…kind of
> I like del.icio.us
> I like the net
> I like rhizome
> I like the thing
> I like art
>
> and so on…
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>


–

"FearingS" Participate in creating a collective voice about "fear".
Help revealing it's actual tendencies. http://bram.org/peur/fear/
"Peurs" Participez a la creation d'une voix collective autour de la
"peur". Aidez a en reveler les tendances actuelles.
http://bram.org/peur/fear/indexfr.htm

Poor Annie - I am sorry, but I cannot join your all grrrllllist revolution.
After many years of unadulterated hate, I finally figured out what blogs are
good for (namely, that precisely -because- of the distance they impose, they
allow for a much better stab at rational, thoughtful pause…reflection, if you
will…for both the writer and the reader [This is not to say that all, most,
or even many blogs take advantage of this fact, but it is there nonetheless]):

http://tastyresearch.wordpress.com/
http://infosthetics.com/
http://digitalhistoryhacks.blogspot.com/
http://history-and-education.blogspot.com/
http://rahrahfeminista.com/blog/

-Alexis

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Jim Andrews wrote:

::Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:32:27 -0800
::From: Jim Andrews <[email protected]>
::To: [email protected]
::Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: New on post.thing.net
::
::i don't have a blog. actually i do. i signed up for one. but i don't operate in such a way that i was moved to do anything with it. it's just not me, apparently.
::
::here's a blog i visit fairly often: http://dbqp.blogspot.com . this is geof huth's blog on visual poetry.
::
::the form of the blog is not going to be right for all, but apparently it is very right for what geof is doing at the moment. i first encountered geof's work in the late 80's; i've been following his work for a long time. i don't know of a more serious one concerning visual poetry. there are other blogs concerning visual poetry where interesting visual poets post good work. but the blog is sort of incidental to most of these blogs. it's just somewhere to post the work. whereas huth is doing something else.
::
::what are the urls of blogs you visit fairly often?
::
::ja
::http://vispo.com
::
::

list is to social capital as blog is to social capitalist

i++



On 11/29/06, Don Relyea <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> First off post.thing.net looks cool and I have book marked it for further
> reading.
>
> annie abrahams wrote:
> > I am against blogs
> > I am for lists
> I am for both. In the context of encouraging discussion, Annie is right
> though, lists still win over blogs hands down. To me blogs and lists serve
> two different purposes. In my mind, blogs are for publishing thoughts and
> various stuff like music, new projects and so on. My blog is sort of my
> personal podium. Comments make blogs a little more interactive but its a
> pain to keep up with the spammers. Lists seem more ripe for discussion. I
> think it is that way entirely because you have to make a conscious decision
> to go to a blog to experience it, with email lists the discussion lands in
> your email box.
>
> Just a thought… it would probably not be too tough to make RAW
> discussions both. A moderator/super user could flag certain threads as
> "discussion" and a script could plop them into a blog format. Comments could
> then be sent back to RAW. Then we would get the www search and syndicated
> benefits of blogs with the email delivery of lists. I guess it is already
> sort of this way with the searchable text objects and RAW post form. Hmmm.
>
> Jim Andrews wrote:
> > what are the urls of blogs you visit fairly often?
>
> Chris Ashley's Blog
> http://chrisashley.net/weblog/
>
> Tom Moody's Blog
> http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/
>
> Thinking About Art
> http://thinkingaboutart.blogs.com/art/
>
> Turbulence.org Blog
> http://turbulence.org/blog/
>
> Wooster Collective (street art)
> http://www.woostercollective.com/
>
> Generator Blog (fun generators)
> http://generatorblog.blogspot.com/
>
> Patently Silly (bizarre patents, very funny)
> http://www.patentlysilly.com/
>
> and of course my personal blog about art, my projects, my music and my
> kids…..
> http://www.donrelyea.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi
>
> Regards,
> Don Relyea
>



–
Jason Van Anden
http://www.smileproject.com

… in the context of Rhizome at any rate.

i++

On 11/29/06, Jason Van Anden <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> list is to social capital as blog is to social capitalist
>
> i++
>
>
>
> On 11/29/06, Don Relyea < [email protected] > wrote:
> >
> > First off post.thing.net looks cool and I have book marked it for
> > further reading.
> >
> > annie abrahams wrote:
> > > I am against blogs
> > > I am for lists
> > I am for both. In the context of encouraging discussion, Annie is right
> > though, lists still win over blogs hands down. To me blogs and lists serve
> > two different purposes. In my mind, blogs are for publishing thoughts and
> > various stuff like music, new projects and so on. My blog is sort of my
> > personal podium. Comments make blogs a little more interactive but its a
> > pain to keep up with the spammers. Lists seem more ripe for discussion. I
> > think it is that way entirely because you have to make a conscious decision
> > to go to a blog to experience it, with email lists the discussion lands in
> > your email box.
> >
> > Just a thought… it would probably not be too tough to make RAW
> > discussions both. A moderator/super user could flag certain threads as
> > "discussion" and a script could plop them into a blog format. Comments could
> > then be sent back to RAW. Then we would get the www search and syndicated
> > benefits of blogs with the email delivery of lists. I guess it is already
> > sort of this way with the searchable text objects and RAW post form. Hmmm.
> >
> > Jim Andrews wrote:
> > > what are the urls of blogs you visit fairly often?
> >
> > Chris Ashley's Blog
> > http://chrisashley.net/weblog/
> >
> > Tom Moody's Blog
> > http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/
> >
> > Thinking About Art
> > http://thinkingaboutart.blogs.com/art/
> >
> > Turbulence.org Blog
> > http://turbulence.org/blog/
> >
> > Wooster Collective (street art)
> > http://www.woostercollective.com/
> >
> > Generator Blog (fun generators)
> > http://generatorblog.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Patently Silly (bizarre patents, very funny)
> > http://www.patentlysilly.com/
> >
> > and of course my personal blog about art, my projects, my music and my
> > kids…..
> > http://www.donrelyea.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi
> >
> > Regards,
> > Don Relyea
> >
>
>
>
> –
> Jason Van Anden
> http://www.smileproject.com
>



–
Jason Van Anden
http://www.smileproject.com

thanks for the links to interesting blogs.

one thing the blog doesn't usually do is explore the whole screen. the jim
punk/abe linkoln blog is exceptional in that regard.

i'm not sure what the limitations are of the blog concerning the form of the
html.

i prefer to create the html myself and have the whole screen for
composition.

also, i'm curious about the nature of the dependence on the blog company.
when people started making sites back in 1994-2000, many used free resources
like geocities. but that turned out to be less than optimal because the
companies instituted pop-up ads in the sites. or ads on the pages
themselves. that sort of thing.

when i started my site, initially the url was islandnet.com/~jandrews. then
it was speakeasy.org/~jandrews. i eventually got my own domain name,
vispo.com, because it's more memorable and it lets me change hosting
services while retaining all the links in to the site. i understand that's
possible with blogs, too.

here are some other interesting blogs:

MARKO NIEMI
http://nurotus.blogspot.com
Finnish poet-programmer and translator

MAURA MCDONNELL
http://visualmusic.blogspot.com
Irish musician/scholar

JIM LEFTWICH
http://jimleftwichtextimagepoem.blogspot.com
Long-practiced visual poet


ja
http://vispo.com












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