a small proposal

Posted by Eric Dymond | Sun Jul 2nd 2006 7:03 p.m.

Now this is a small proposal.
What would happen if the American Armed forces renamed their ships, tanks and missles after poets and artists that they celebrate. The same rule would have to apply to the other world powers.
What was the USS Enterprise becomes the USS Georgia O'Keefe.
Let's substitute the USS Saratoga for the USS William Carlos Williams
And the USS Yorktown becomes the USS John Cage.

The UK would have to sunbsitute the HMS Bath for the HMS Samuel Beckett.
The HMS Caldwell would become the HMS Damien Hirst.
The HMS Brighton becomes the HMS Lucien Freud.
The French Navy of course would have to follow with:
The Cassard becomes the Blaise Cendrars
And the Jean Bart becomes the Roland Barthes.

Now imagine them meeting on the open seas and instead of exchanging gunfire and hostility they engage in poetic analysis, the meaning of time and chronology in a world imploded by technology.
Then we'd have some reason to celebrate our investment in the military.
  • Pall Thayer | Sun Jul 2nd 2006 7:36 p.m.
    I like it. Make it happen.

    Pall

    On 2.7.2006, at 21:03, Eric Dymond wrote:

    > Now this is a small proposal.
    > What would happen if the American Armed forces renamed their ships,
    > tanks and missles after poets and artists that they celebrate. The
    > same rule would have to apply to the other world powers.
    > What was the USS Enterprise becomes the USS Georgia O'Keefe.
    > Let's substitute the USS Saratoga for the USS William Carlos Williams
    > And the USS Yorktown becomes the USS John Cage.
    >
    > The UK would have to sunbsitute the HMS Bath for the HMS Samuel
    > Beckett.
    > The HMS Caldwell would become the HMS Damien Hirst.
    > The HMS Brighton becomes the HMS Lucien Freud.
    > The French Navy of course would have to follow with:
    > The Cassard becomes the Blaise Cendrars
    > And the Jean Bart becomes the Roland Barthes.
    >
    > Now imagine them meeting on the open seas and instead of exchanging
    > gunfire and hostility they engage in poetic analysis, the meaning
    > of time and chronology in a world imploded by technology.
    > Then we'd have some reason to celebrate our investment in the
    > military.
    >
    >
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  • Eric Dymond | Sun Jul 2nd 2006 9:15 p.m.
    Pall Thayer wrote:

    > I like it. Make it happen.
    >
    > Pall
    >
    > On 2.7.2006, at 21:03, Eric Dymond wrote:
    >
    > > Now this is a small proposal.
    > > What would happen if the American Armed forces renamed their ships,
    >
    > > tanks and missles after poets and artists that they celebrate. The
    > > same rule would have to apply to the other world powers.
    > > What was the USS Enterprise becomes the USS Georgia O'Keefe.
    > > Let's substitute the USS Saratoga for the USS William Carlos
    > Williams
    > > And the USS Yorktown becomes the USS John Cage.
    > >
    > > The UK would have to sunbsitute the HMS Bath for the HMS Samuel
    > > Beckett.
    > > The HMS Caldwell would become the HMS Damien Hirst.
    > > The HMS Brighton becomes the HMS Lucien Freud.
    > > The French Navy of course would have to follow with:
    > > The Cassard becomes the Blaise Cendrars
    > > And the Jean Bart becomes the Roland Barthes.
    > >
    > > Now imagine them meeting on the open seas and instead of exchanging
    >
    > > gunfire and hostility they engage in poetic analysis, the meaning
    > > of time and chronology in a world imploded by technology.
    > > Then we'd have some reason to celebrate our investment in the
    > > military.
    > >
    > >
    > > +
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    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Pall Thayer
    > p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca
    > http://www.this.is/pallit
    and imagine a Sherman/Patton tank renamed the Andy Whorol Tank coming against an enemy. Andy says " I like your flank " and the respondent is left speechless but happy with their own body. Or a Hercules Helicopter renamed a Rauschenberg Helicopter " can we just take the mess we've made and build something lasting?"
    hopefully, but it is really a semiotoc thing, and I just don't get it,

    Eric
  • Eric Dymond | Sun Jul 2nd 2006 10:39 p.m.
    Eric Dymond wrote:

    > Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    > > I like it. Make it happen.
    > >
    > > Pall
    > >
    > > On 2.7.2006, at 21:03, Eric Dymond wrote:
    > >
    > > > Now this is a small proposal.
    > > > What would happen if the American Armed forces renamed their
    > ships,
    > >
    > > > tanks and missles after poets and artists that they celebrate. The
    >
    > > > same rule would have to apply to the other world powers.
    > > > What was the USS Enterprise becomes the USS Georgia O'Keefe.
    > > > Let's substitute the USS Saratoga for the USS William Carlos
    > > Williams
    > > > And the USS Yorktown becomes the USS John Cage.
    > > >
    > > > The UK would have to sunbsitute the HMS Bath for the HMS Samuel
    > > > Beckett.
    > > > The HMS Caldwell would become the HMS Damien Hirst.
    > > > The HMS Brighton becomes the HMS Lucien Freud.
    > > > The French Navy of course would have to follow with:
    > > > The Cassard becomes the Blaise Cendrars
    > > > And the Jean Bart becomes the Roland Barthes.
    > > >
    > > > Now imagine them meeting on the open seas and instead of
    > exchanging
    > >
    > > > gunfire and hostility they engage in poetic analysis, the meaning
    >
    > > > of time and chronology in a world imploded by technology.
    > > > Then we'd have some reason to celebrate our investment in the
    > > > military.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > +
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    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Pall Thayer
    > > p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca
    > > http://www.this.is/pallit
    > and imagine a Sherman/Patton tank renamed the Andy Whorol Tank coming
    > against an enemy. Andy says " I like your flank " and the respondent
    > is left speechless but happy with their own body. Or a Hercules
    > Helicopter renamed a Rauschenberg Helicopter " can we just take the
    > mess we've made and build something lasting?"
    > hopefully, but it is really a semiotoc thing, and I just don't get it,
    >
    > Eric
    and an asside, with the exception of Pall, why has the listserv become so anal?
  • Jay Scheib | Sun Jul 2nd 2006 11:20 p.m.
    except of course that these poets and artists are hardly celebrated by
    those in the armed forces. it would be the uss Bono. but your sentiment
    is appreciated.,

    j

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    Jay Scheib
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    http://www.jayscheib.com
    On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:15 PM, Eric Dymond wrote:

    > Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    >> I like it. Make it happen.
    >>
    >> Pall
    >>
    >> On 2.7.2006, at 21:03, Eric Dymond wrote:
    >>
    >>> Now this is a small proposal.
    >>> What would happen if the American Armed forces renamed their ships,
    >>
    >>> tanks and missles after poets and artists that they celebrate. The
    >>> same rule would have to apply to the other world powers.
    >>> What was the USS Enterprise becomes the USS Georgia O'Keefe.
    >>> Let's substitute the USS Saratoga for the USS William Carlos
    >> Williams
    >>> And the USS Yorktown becomes the USS John Cage.
    >>>
    >>> The UK would have to sunbsitute the HMS Bath for the HMS Samuel
    >>> Beckett.
    >>> The HMS Caldwell would become the HMS Damien Hirst.
    >>> The HMS Brighton becomes the HMS Lucien Freud.
    >>> The French Navy of course would have to follow with:
    >>> The Cassard becomes the Blaise Cendrars
    >>> And the Jean Bart becomes the Roland Barthes.
    >>>
    >>> Now imagine them meeting on the open seas and instead of exchanging
    >>
    >>> gunfire and hostility they engage in poetic analysis, the meaning
    >>> of time and chronology in a world imploded by technology.
    >>> Then we'd have some reason to celebrate our investment in the
    >>> military.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> +
    >>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
    >>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    >>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
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    >>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    >>> +
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    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Pall Thayer
    >> p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca
    >> http://www.this.is/pallit
    > and imagine a Sherman/Patton tank renamed the Andy Whorol Tank coming
    > against an enemy. Andy says " I like your flank " and the respondent
    > is left speechless but happy with their own body. Or a Hercules
    > Helicopter renamed a Rauschenberg Helicopter " can we just take the
    > mess we've made and build something lasting?"
    > hopefully, but it is really a semiotoc thing, and I just don't get it,
    >
    > Eric
    > +
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  • Helio Nunes | Tue Jul 4th 2006 5:59 a.m.
    On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:03, Eric Dymond wrote:
    > Now this is a small proposal.

    A beautiful utopical proposal for the machinery which created the present
    dystopia.

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  • Eric Dymond | Thu Jul 6th 2006 10:35 p.m.
    Helio Nunes wrote:

    > On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:03, Eric Dymond wrote:
    > > Now this is a small proposal.
    >
    > A beautiful utopical proposal for the machinery which created the
    > present
    > dystopia.

    Well, this will sound pretty strange. But after dropping into New Orleans this week (Tuesday), I noticed a definite hole in the Spiritus Mundii.
    "what the hell is going on" I thought. We partied, or tried to, but it felt unholy, and sad. Back on the plane that was taking us home everything seemed OK except that there was a huge presence missing from America.
    "Why was that" I thought? Then I realized, New Orleans was gone, and so was American Culture. without New Orleans, America didn't have a spleen, kidneys or a liver, or any of thos vital organs that provide us with life.
    GWB has decided to spend his money on Oil in Iraq instead of rebuilding the vital organ of his country.

    "OK", i said, "it's none of my business. I guess Lindsay Lohan will replace Dr. John." That's a cultural thing, and who am I to get involved.

    So I'm on the plane back to Buffalo, and the Gods decide to make a stand.
    Over the Airplane's intercome Zydeco refrains start their plaintif refrain. Voodoo children rise from the baggage compartment and engage the passengers in a prayer for rebuilding. "America..., you're nothing without New Orleans. You're just a state without heart, a nation without vital organs."
    You owe your 20th century culture to the heart of the delta. Who cares about you(America) without jazz, the blues, R&B and R&R? I don't.
    A Pollock is a joke without Jazz, a Warhol is just silly without Rock and Roll. So anyways , the plane lands, and what do you know, it's named the Louis Armstrong.
    It's all in the name, get back to where you belong.
    Eric

    >
    > --
    >
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