In todays announcement of Heath Buntings new exhibition, the announcement had an inetersting comment. Has Heath Bunting gone over the wall? Good work! Here's the quote:
"The project is the result of an ongoing collaboration between
OVERGADEN Institute of Contemporary Art and Artnode with the
ambition to bring international computer-based contemporary art to
Denmark and to get computer-based contemporary art out of the new
media ghetto."
Do you feel disenfranchised, marginalized, forgotten?
Eric
New Media Ghetto
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I feel like "computer based contemporary art" is a synonym for new media. So if he's succesful perhaps in a few years he will attempt to bring some new thing out of the computer based contemporary art ghetto. But it all comes down to figuring out
new ways of getting paid, from what I can tell? (Not Heath especially, just anyone who talks about getting out of an "art ghetto"- so do it, already!).
What they call it never really matters, no one's getting paid anyway. All this talk about ghettos seems like it might be a distraction from investing oneself into making good work in a self-defined sort of way. Good for Heath, if that's what he
wants to do for all of us. I'm not particularly exhausted with gratitude, however, nor am I holding my breath for the Ghetto to dissolve. Like the situationists say, "I'll liberate myself, thank you."
-e.
Eric Dymond <[email protected]> on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 at 12:51 PM -0500 wrote:
>In todays announcement of Heath Buntings new exhibition, the announcement had an inetersting comment. Has Heath Bunting gone over the wall? Good work! Here's the quote:
>"The project is the result of an ongoing collaboration between
>OVERGADEN Institute of Contemporary Art and Artnode with the
>ambition to bring international computer-based contemporary art to
>Denmark and to get computer-based contemporary art out of the new
>media ghetto."
>Do you feel disenfranchised, marginalized, forgotten?
>
>Eric
>
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_ this concept: new media ghetto art stamps
Like food stamps, except you can save them up and exchange them for critical affirmation. No net.artist virtually left behind.
it takes a nation of dozens to hold us back!
curt
Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
> What they call it never really matters, no one's getting paid anyway.
> All this talk about ghettos seems like it might be a distraction from
> investing oneself into making good work in a self-defined sort of way.
Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
>
> I feel like "computer based contemporary art" is a synonym for new
> media. So if he's succesful perhaps in a few years he will attempt to
> bring some new thing out of the computer based contemporary art
> ghetto. But it all comes down to figuring out
> new ways of getting paid, from what I can tell? (Not Heath especially,
> just anyone who talks about getting out of an "art ghetto"- so do it,
> already!).
My first reaction was "What Ghetto?". The meaning I took was a social/artistic one. The idea that New Media exists outside the auspices of the comfortable zone that museums/institutions exist in was interpreted as bad. I always thought that was good thing, and still do. There is more interest in virtual work than physical.
The artists has control of the works currency, it doesn't end up gathering dust in the museums storage unit.
>
> What they call it never really matters, no one's getting paid anyway.
> All this talk about ghettos seems like it might be a distraction from
> investing oneself into making good work in a self-defined sort of way.
> Good for Heath, if that's what he
> wants to do for all of us. I'm not particularly exhausted with
> gratitude, however, nor am I holding my breath for the Ghetto to
> dissolve. Like the situationists say, "I'll liberate myself, thank
> you."
exactly.
Eric
curt cloninger wrote:
> _ this concept: new media ghetto art stamps
>
> Like food stamps, except you can save them up and exchange them for
> critical affirmation. No net.artist virtually left behind.
>
> it takes a nation of dozens to hold us back!
> curt
Are you saying that WHOLE DAYS go by when you don't think about critical affirmation!
Eric
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 22:34, Eric Dymond wrote:
> bad. I always thought that was good thing, and still do. There is more
> interest in virtual work than physical. The artists has control of the
This is true even here in Brazil (economic and artistic periphery); even here
(or specially here) where our museums/institutions don't have enough
structure to accommodate new media projects. I cannot see new media nor
computer based contemporary art as a ghetto, but the contrary.
–
[], Helio Nunes
* artista plastico
* portfolio, artigos e diario de bordo:
http://www.dedalu.art.br ou
http://www.helionunes.art.br
* keyid 0x51059FF1
(p.ex., http://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net)
Hi (ola) Helio,
That's also true in Portugal (about new media in institutions and museums).
And, yes, artists don't live in a ghetto…We live connected to other
artists, theorists and curators throughout the world.
Susana Mendes Silva
[email protected]
> From: Helio Nunes <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: Helio Nunes <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:54:06 -0300
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: New Media Ghetto
>
> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 22:34, Eric Dymond wrote:
>> bad. I always thought that was good thing, and still do. There is more
>> interest in virtual work than physical. The artists has control of the
>
> This is true even here in Brazil (economic and artistic periphery); even here
> (or specially here) where our museums/institutions don't have enough
> structure to accommodate new media projects. I cannot see new media nor
> computer based contemporary art as a ghetto, but the contrary.
>
> –
>
> [], Helio Nunes
> * artista plastico
> * portfolio, artigos e diario de bordo:
> http://www.dedalu.art.br ou
> http://www.helionunes.art.br
> * keyid 0x51059FF1
> (p.ex., http://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net)
>
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::And, yes, [new media] artists don't live in a ghetto…We live connected to other
::[new media] artists, [new media] theorists and [new media] curators throughout the world.
Exactly.
Actually new media is a form of lead ass-capping for the masses–a bit
like viral warfare for the people and it comes out of abusing principles
experimented with by various secret societies de actualite around ww1 /
ww2 and certain methods of population control–which bleeds and pumps the
blood, iron, and will of the "people".
Essentially why we recommend at least two hours of martial arts discipline
per day–and we mean something incorporating balancing of the body
initially with transitions into balancing / internal discipline (blood /
will strengthening) per day.
The way to of course "defeat" the machine is very much so the same as it
always was–whereas most are only looking for ways to "make money" off of
the people.
Like for example abakhmin here who is sending me pictures of kitsch
dollies being sold for money–exploiting the "collectibile" impulse of
unconsciouss consummation, while telling me that it's GOOD that people die
at the feet of time, and one would suppose that disunity is GREAT MORE
PEASANT LIBERATED PUSSY!~
However we don't shop. And we don't celebrate christmas either.
That lovely house as a vehicle of consummation–ever peasant fucktwatty
is a "priestess of Isis" even though crochetting and handwork are STRICTLY
forbidden in the Virgin's holidays–but only grain.
So merrychristmask motherfuckers and those who want a way out of the
mass shearing of mass media–get your martial parts on.
Otherwise there is also the :zekzi: ass busting with no pantz on–and
housework as well. The postal office is busy and you can alwayus send
your crap via mail. Or e-mail. And then you can tell us how there is no
"touchy feely" "zekzi" communication over e-mail.
This not being directed at Eryk.
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Eryk
Salvaggio wrote:
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:37:51 -0400
> From: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
> To: Eric Dymond <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: New Media Ghetto
>
>
> I feel like "computer based contemporary art" is a synonym for new media. So if he's succesful perhaps in a few years he will attempt to bring some new thing out of the computer based contemporary art ghetto. But it all comes down to figuring out
> new ways of getting paid, from what I can tell? (Not Heath especially, just anyone who talks about getting out of an "art ghetto"- so do it, already!).
>
> What they call it never really matters, no one's getting paid anyway. All this talk about ghettos seems like it might be a distraction from investing oneself into making good work in a self-defined sort of way. Good for Heath, if that's what he
> wants to do for all of us. I'm not particularly exhausted with gratitude, however, nor am I holding my breath for the Ghetto to dissolve. Like the situationists say, "I'll liberate myself, thank you."
>
> -e.
>
>
>
> Eric Dymond <[email protected]> on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 at 12:51 PM -0500 wrote:
> >In todays announcement of Heath Buntings new exhibition, the announcement had an inetersting comment. Has Heath Bunting gone over the wall? Good work! Here's the quote:
> >"The project is the result of an ongoing collaboration between
> >OVERGADEN Institute of Contemporary Art and Artnode with the
> >ambition to bring international computer-based contemporary art to
> >Denmark and to get computer-based contemporary art out of the new
> >media ghetto."
> >Do you feel disenfranchised, marginalized, forgotten?
> >
> >Eric
> >
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, curt cloninger wrote:
> _ this concept: new media ghetto art stamps
But can you mail your shit around while the actual "founders" of Fluxus
which we have met in person are lying on their fat asses and porking
as much pussy as they can at "fabulous" locations world-wide–and getting
paid for it? At your expense? And bitching at the world-governments of
which they are muppets?
> Like food stamps, except you can save them up and exchange them for critical affirmation. No net.artist virtually left behind.
> it takes a nation of dozens to hold us back!
Divided we fall with our horses / chairs with our pants around our ankles.
The last time a man looked at us over a cock-tail of <insert alcohol of
choice> making eyes, his face was cut in half by an ultra Diamond of the
Virgin Mary.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
They don't have enough structure to "accommodate" you?
That's funny, we don't either. Go back to your mom,
she'll probably "accommodate" you.
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"Essentially why we recommend at least two hours of martial arts discipline
per day–and we mean something incorporating balancing of the body
initially with transitions into balancing / internal discipline (blood /
will strengthening) per day." -IID42
I wish I could find a teacher for this! The various times I tried martial
arts, it was all form, no "will strengthening." I hope such a notion is not
the cheap romanticism of Karate Kid? It seems that those that do the real
body / will strengthening have given their lives over to it, e.g., the monks
of Shaolin.
Maybe I should try and teach myself. But isn't that precisely what is so
misguided in those societies that anciently gave birth to the martial
arts? Let us not forget the story of Ekalavya in the Mahabharata.
(And why not extend that guru-concept to the exercise of other arts…)
On 18/06/06, -IID42 Kandinskij @27+ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Actually new media is a form of lead ass-capping for the masses–a bit
> like viral warfare for the people and it comes out of abusing principles
> experimented with by various secret societies de actualite around ww1 /
> ww2 and certain methods of population control–which bleeds and pumps the
> blood, iron, and will of the "people".
>
> Essentially why we recommend at least two hours of martial arts discipline
> per day–and we mean something incorporating balancing of the body
> initially with transitions into balancing / internal discipline (blood /
> will strengthening) per day.
>
> The way to of course "defeat" the machine is very much so the same as it
> always was–whereas most are only looking for ways to "make money" off of
> the people.
>
> Like for example abakhmin here who is sending me pictures of kitsch
> dollies being sold for money–exploiting the "collectibile" impulse of
> unconsciouss consummation, while telling me that it's GOOD that people die
> at the feet of time, and one would suppose that disunity is GREAT MORE
> PEASANT LIBERATED PUSSY!~
>
> However we don't shop. And we don't celebrate christmas either.
>
> That lovely house as a vehicle of consummation–ever peasant fucktwatty
> is a "priestess of Isis" even though crochetting and handwork are STRICTLY
> forbidden in the Virgin's holidays–but only grain.
>
> So merrychristmask motherfuckers and those who want a way out of the
> mass shearing of mass media–get your martial parts on.
>
> Otherwise there is also the :zekzi: ass busting with no pantz on–and
> housework as well. The postal office is busy and you can alwayus send
> your crap via mail. Or e-mail. And then you can tell us how there is no
> "touchy feely" "zekzi" communication over e-mail.
>
> This not being directed at Eryk.
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Eryk
> Salvaggio wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:37:51 -0400
> > From: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
> > To: Eric Dymond <[email protected]>
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: New Media Ghetto
> >
> >
> > I feel like "computer based contemporary art" is a synonym for new
> media. So if he's succesful perhaps in a few years he will attempt to bring
> some new thing out of the computer based contemporary art ghetto. But it all
> comes down to figuring out
> > new ways of getting paid, from what I can tell? (Not Heath especially,
> just anyone who talks about getting out of an "art ghetto"- so do it,
> already!).
> >
> > What they call it never really matters, no one's getting paid anyway.
> All this talk about ghettos seems like it might be a distraction from
> investing oneself into making good work in a self-defined sort of way. Good
> for Heath, if that's what he
> > wants to do for all of us. I'm not particularly exhausted with
> gratitude, however, nor am I holding my breath for the Ghetto to dissolve.
> Like the situationists say, "I'll liberate myself, thank you."
> >
> > -e.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Dymond <[email protected]> on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 at 12:51 PM
> -0500 wrote:
> > >In todays announcement of Heath Buntings new exhibition, the
> announcement had an inetersting comment. Has Heath Bunting gone over the
> wall? Good work! Here's the quote:
> > >"The project is the result of an ongoing collaboration between
> > >OVERGADEN Institute of Contemporary Art and Artnode with the
> > >ambition to bring international computer-based contemporary art to
> > >Denmark and to get computer-based contemporary art out of the new
> > >media ghetto."
> > >Do you feel disenfranchised, marginalized, forgotten?
> > >
> > >Eric
> > >
> > >+
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