Re: yet even More Artstar

here:

http://www.deitch.com/projects/sub.php?projId6


On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:45:34 -0500, twhid <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think Artstar.tv is intended to be a parody. Perhaps I'm wrong.
> It also doesn't seem to be intended as Pop art. It just seems to be a
> regular ole reality TV show (which btw will air on the Zoom
> hi-definition satellite network) using reality TV conventions and
> grafting them onto the art world. This is only speculation, but there
> doesn't seem to be a critical text or sub-text in sight.
>

I need to add,

I see why Marisa is interested in these questions due to her American
Idol project (http://americanidolauditiontraining.blogs.com/marisa/).

Her project seems to walk this line. One is unsure if the project is
parody or serious.

I think it would be interesting to see other artists explore the
reality TV phenomenon from the inside and critically. It's a rich area
of popular culture to explore without a doubt.

(I could be talking completely out of my ass, but) I don't see any
evidence that the producers of artstar.tv are attempting to explore
this area critically. They simply wish to provide a keyhole for viewers
to peek through at a particular aspect of the art world and probably
humiliate a few people along the way.


On Feb 26, 2005, at 9:45 AM, twhid wrote:

> Hi Marisa,
>
> reply here:
> http://www.mteww.com/mtaaRR/news/twhid/yet\_even\_more\_artstar\_tv.html
>
> and below. Take care :)
>
> +++++
> >MO:
> I feel compelled to ask (of him or anyone here who cares) what
> comprises this 'fine line

Wow. Good to wake up (West Coast!) to this discussion.
Thanks to Jason, TWhid, Joy, et al.

I should back up and say that I do not know whether
the artstar.tv folks intend their project as a parody,
and in my heart i doubt that they do, though I don't
know.

What I meant to do, in raising the question of parody
was to sort of unpack or problematize what TWhid said
about everything falling into the two extremes of
great pop art vs a "sickening sycophantical homage to
the dominant media culture,

I agree with Marisa that artstar most likely does not merit too deep a discussion - except in the context of parody.

I have a bunch of thoughts about this as well as her very interesting comments about the fine line between critique and participation.

Too little time to pursue the latter at the moment - but in the interest of keeping this discussion alive, here's a few questions that are raised for me if we understand artstar as parody:

What is it a parody of?
Who is the artist and who is the market?

Jason Van Anden

hi y'all!

could this ( artstar.tv) perhaps be nothing more that a publicity stunt by Deitch?
albeit with a certain benefit to the "winning artist".

or perhaps just another chance to delve into pedantic ambiguity?

AE05.

Hi all,

new development in the artstar.tv area:

http://www.mteww.com/mtaaRR/news/twhid/maybe_notstar_tv.html


Jason Van Anden wrote:

> I agree with Marisa that artstar most likely does not merit too deep a
> discussion - except in the context of parody.
>
> I have a bunch of thoughts about this as well as her very interesting
> comments about the fine line between critique and participation.
>
> Too little time to pursue the latter at the moment - but in the
> interest of keeping this discussion alive, here's a few questions that
> are raised for me if we understand artstar as parody:
>
> What is it a parody of?
> Who is the artist and who is the market?
>
> Jason Van Anden

No …, parody is a very different attack.
This is not parody.
It is original, and relentless.
please reconsider, save me , please save me.

Eric

It's started shooting at any rate …

Note the big photo of artist-clown (online at least).

Nice quote from Jeffery Deitch about how pathetic artists have become.

t.whid quoted as skeptic on same page.

Reality newspaper: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/arts/television/02reality.html?8hpib

Jason Van Anden

Jason Van Anden wrote:

> It's started shooting at any rate …
>
> Note the big photo of artist-clown (online at least).
>
> Nice quote from Jeffery Deitch about how pathetic artists have become.
>
> t.whid quoted as skeptic on same page.
>
> Reality newspaper:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/arts/television/02reality.html?8hpib
>
> Jason Van Anden
>


http://www.test.org.uk/archives/002373.html

Was everyone else on line last Monday?

Jo-Anne Green wrote:
http://www.test.org.uk/archives/002373.html

This appears to suggest that Artstar might not be exploitive because Kartoon Kings are involved. Of the cast of characters (listed below) it seems that they would be the only artists in the pecking order that have an opportunity to "wrest control of the artworld's economic hierarchy" - kinda.

Artstar Pecking Order:
1.) Collectors with $ to burn who also watch TV
2.) Deitch Projects
3.) Kartoon Kings
4.) Artists (non-self respecting, clearly not from 70's)

Why not have an art realty tv show loosely based on "Joe Millionaire" where out of a pool of eligible gallery directors one will be selected for a chance to marry an incredibly wealthy collector?

Self-respecting artists of the 00s unite!

Jason Van Anden

Jason Van Anden wrote:

> Was everyone else on line last Monday?
no, first I have heard of it.
>
> Jo-Anne Green wrote:
> http://www.test.org.uk/archives/002373.html
a url, what a crazy idea
>
> This appears to suggest that Artstar might not be exploitive because
> Kartoon Kings are involved. Of the cast of characters (listed below)
> it seems that they would be the only artists in the pecking order that
> have an opportunity to "wrest control of the artworld's economic
> hierarchy" - kinda.
can I have some of that power? my retirement savings plan is looking a little weak right now.
>
> Artstar Pecking Order:
> 1.) Collectors with $ to burn who also watch TV
> 2.) Deitch Projects
> 3.) Kartoon Kings
> 4.) Artists (non-self respecting, clearly not from 70's)
Those bastards, hoe dare they exist in the same time frame as us!!!
>
> Why not have an art realty tv show loosely based on "Joe Millionaire"
> where out of a pool of eligible gallery directors one will be selected
> for a chance to marry an incredibly wealthy collector?
well, marrying is a little too much. I mean really darling, would you consider marrying me, i doubut it.
>
> Self-respecting artists of the 00s unite!
none of us have any respect. My god dear, we can barely hold ourselves up at the bar!
>
> Jason Van Anden
Eric Dymond