embedding <img> in email

On Wednesday, November 24, 2004, at 11:09AM, Jim Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:

>i searched a bit on the internet for an email client that lets you edit the
>html of emails but i couldn't find one.
>
>which suggests that this is probably a dangerous tool.

Phishing attacks ("enter your ebay details" scams) use html in email to great effect.

They give you a url to click on that looks like: http://www.ebay.com/ , but if you read the http of the email it reads <a href="http://www.criminals.com">http://www.ebay.com/</a> . So you click on the ebay link and it takes you to a server they'll use to empty your account.

You can edit the html in a text editor, then copy & paste it into a "plain text" email, so not allowing you to edit the html doesn't really stop misuse of the feature, it just makes it harder to use it legitimately (assuming there was even a design decision on this).

- Rob.

> You can edit the html in a text editor, then copy & paste it into
> a "plain text" email, so not allowing you to edit the html
> doesn't really stop misuse of the feature, it just makes it
> harder to use it legitimately (assuming there was even a design
> decision on this).
>
> - Rob.

tried that, sent myself such a msg, but you just view the html upon
reception, not the rendering. at least in outlook.

ja

For HTML to go through an email, the Multipart header has to be sent to
tell the recipient that the text is HTML and not plain-text. If you're
writing in "rich text" mode or something like that, your email program
sets that header for you but isn't likely to give you 100% HTML editing
capability; just bold, italic, font coloring, etc. If you try pasting
raw HTML into a text email, that won't work 'cause the program isn't
setting the header, so whoever gets it will treat it like raw text. And
if you paste HTML into an HTML email, then it gets double-escaped:

<img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" />

becomes

&lt;img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" /&gt;

or something like that.

I think the lack of HTML editing in email isn't really an anti-spam
measure; just that HTML editing is considered sort of a uber-power-user
feature that most customers aren't going to want.

When websites like Rhizome send out HTML email (like in NetArtNews) we
write our custom mailers so we can drop arbitrary HTML into the email.
Spammers, too.

I suppose the quickest way to embed IMG in an email would be to either
hack a webmail client to accept HTML, or hack a desktop client like
Mozilla's mail client. Or you could just write your own
Perl/Python/Ruby script to read HTML from a file, stitch it into an
email, and send the email off.

On Nov 24, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:

>
>> You can edit the html in a text editor, then copy & paste it into
>> a "plain text" email, so not allowing you to edit the html
>> doesn't really stop misuse of the feature, it just makes it
>> harder to use it legitimately (assuming there was even a design
>> decision on this).
>>
>> - Rob.
>
> tried that, sent myself such a msg, but you just view the html upon
> reception, not the rendering. at least in outlook.
>
> ja
>
>
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no doubt. but this isn't much help to Manik, who does not want to hack in
Perl/Python/Ruby (and set up some server space somewhere to store the
images) but just wants to be able to send email with images in it to
Rhizome.

ja

Question, does anyone here use Linux for image and picture
work and if so what tools do they reccommend? This question
came up because even the mention of HTML in messages makes
many linux types either roar "PLAIN TEXT! NO HTML! YOU'RE SUCH
A WINDOWS TYPE!" when mentioned. Although it is hard to use
the net for art purposes without looking at images, and I know
some people really like ascii art and people from Middle Europe
who are sort of the gods of it, but clear to me their should
be something more. It should be easy to use and it shouldn't
require going to 11 archane sites and collecting 4 arcane pieces
of freeare to use. Heaven knows that financial necessity has
caused me to collect a variety of freeware and low cost ware,
someof which I really like. Real Alternative's "Real Player"
standin works rather well. But I do get sort of rattled that
a large amount of things want me to "Go Pro" whereas in the
case of things like WINAMP I don't know if there is even a
NULLSOFT to send out the passcodes although I guess if the
software works automaticly it might be worth a shot, as
burning from running media does intrigue me.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve


> For HTML to go through an email, the Multipart header has to be sent to
> tell the recipient that the text is HTML and not plain-text. If you're
> writing in "rich text" mode or something like that, your email program
> sets that header for you but isn't likely to give you 100% HTML editing
> capability; just bold, italic, font coloring, etc. If you try pasting
> raw HTML into a text email, that won't work 'cause the program isn't
> setting the header, so whoever gets it will treat it like raw text. And
> if you paste HTML into an HTML email, then it gets double-escaped:
>
> <img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" />
>
> becomes
>
> &lt;img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" /&gt;
>
> or something like that.
>
> I think the lack of HTML editing in email isn't really an anti-spam
> measure; just that HTML editing is considered sort of a uber-power-user
> feature that most customers aren't going to want.
>
> When websites like Rhizome send out HTML email (like in NetArtNews) we
> write our custom mailers so we can drop arbitrary HTML into the email.
> Spammers, too.
>
> I suppose the quickest way to embed IMG in an email would be to either
> hack a webmail client to accept HTML, or hack a desktop client like
> Mozilla's mail client. Or you could just write your own
> Perl/Python/Ruby script to read HTML from a file, stitch it into an
> email, and send the email off.
>
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>
>>
>>> You can edit the html in a text editor, then copy & paste it into
>>> a "plain text" email, so not allowing you to edit the html
>>> doesn't really stop misuse of the feature, it just makes it
>>> harder to use it legitimately (assuming there was even a design
>>> decision on this).
>>>
>>> - Rob.
>>
>> tried that, sent myself such a msg, but you just view the html upon
>> reception, not the rendering. at least in outlook.
>>
>> ja
>>
>>
>> +
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>> -> questions: [email protected]
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>> +
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>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>>
> Francis Hwang
> Director of Technology
> Rhizome.org
> phone: 212-219-1288x202
> AIM: francisrhizome
> + + +
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

Linux + picture/image work:
The Gimp for bitmap graphics and Sodipodi for vector graphics.
Sodipodi's still a bit rough around the edges. Things work very
differently than in Freehand, for instance but still a good program once
you get the hang of it. The Gimp has been around for quite some time and
has "matured". It's an excellent program.

Pall

[email protected] wrote:
> Question, does anyone here use Linux for image and picture
> work and if so what tools do they reccommend? This question
> came up because even the mention of HTML in messages makes
> many linux types either roar "PLAIN TEXT! NO HTML! YOU'RE SUCH
> A WINDOWS TYPE!" when mentioned. Although it is hard to use
> the net for art purposes without looking at images, and I know
> some people really like ascii art and people from Middle Europe
> who are sort of the gods of it, but clear to me their should
> be something more. It should be easy to use and it shouldn't
> require going to 11 archane sites and collecting 4 arcane pieces
> of freeare to use. Heaven knows that financial necessity has
> caused me to collect a variety of freeware and low cost ware,
> someof which I really like. Real Alternative's "Real Player"
> standin works rather well. But I do get sort of rattled that
> a large amount of things want me to "Go Pro" whereas in the
> case of things like WINAMP I don't know if there is even a
> NULLSOFT to send out the passcodes although I guess if the
> software works automaticly it might be worth a shot, as
> burning from running media does intrigue me.
>
> Have Fun,
> Sends Steve
>
>
>
>>For HTML to go through an email, the Multipart header has to be sent to
>>tell the recipient that the text is HTML and not plain-text. If you're
>>writing in "rich text" mode or something like that, your email program
>>sets that header for you but isn't likely to give you 100% HTML editing
>>capability; just bold, italic, font coloring, etc. If you try pasting
>>raw HTML into a text email, that won't work 'cause the program isn't
>>setting the header, so whoever gets it will treat it like raw text. And
>>if you paste HTML into an HTML email, then it gets double-escaped:
>>
>><img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" />
>>
>>becomes
>>
>>&lt;img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" /&gt;
>>
>>or something like that.
>>
>>I think the lack of HTML editing in email isn't really an anti-spam
>>measure; just that HTML editing is considered sort of a uber-power-user
>>feature that most customers aren't going to want.
>>
>>When websites like Rhizome send out HTML email (like in NetArtNews) we
>>write our custom mailers so we can drop arbitrary HTML into the email.
>>Spammers, too.
>>
>>I suppose the quickest way to embed IMG in an email would be to either
>>hack a webmail client to accept HTML, or hack a desktop client like
>>Mozilla's mail client. Or you could just write your own
>>Perl/Python/Ruby script to read HTML from a file, stitch it into an
>>email, and send the email off.
>>
>>On Nov 24, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>You can edit the html in a text editor, then copy & paste it into
>>>>a "plain text" email, so not allowing you to edit the html
>>>>doesn't really stop misuse of the feature, it just makes it
>>>>harder to use it legitimately (assuming there was even a design
>>>>decision on this).
>>>>
>>>>- Rob.
>>>
>>>tried that, sent myself such a msg, but you just view the html upon
>>>reception, not the rendering. at least in outlook.
>>>
>>>ja
>>>
>>>
>>>+
>>>-> post: [email protected]
>>>-> questions: [email protected]
>>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>>>+
>>>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Francis Hwang
>>Director of Technology
>>Rhizome.org
>>phone: 212-219-1288x202
>>AIM: francisrhizome
>>+ + +
>>
>>+
>>-> post: [email protected]
>>-> questions: [email protected]
>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>>+
>>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>
>
>
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> -> questions: [email protected]
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> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

–
_______________________________
Pall Thayer
artist/teacher
http://www.this.is/pallit
http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
_______________________________

Definitely. It is unfortunate that with email becoming such a
disreputable medium, those who want to use it creatively have to
suffer, too. (I wonder if mail art suffered the same way because of
direct mail?)

Anyway, I suppose the upshot of this is that there are some people who
would much appreciate a mail program that allows them to send out
straight HTML, referring to images on another site. There's a decent
opportunity for a hacker who wants to help others out … today,
unfortunately, I am not that hacker.

On Nov 29, 2004, at 12:13 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:

> no doubt. but this isn't much help to Manik, who does not want to hack
> in
> Perl/Python/Ruby (and set up some server space somewhere to store the
> images) but just wants to be able to send email with images in it to
> Rhizome.
>
> ja
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Francis Hwang
Director of Technology
Rhizome.org
phone: 212-219-1288x202
AIM: francisrhizome
+ + +

On 29 Nov 2004, at 17:26, [email protected] wrote:

> Question, does anyone here use Linux for image and picture
> work and if so what tools do they reccommend?

Gimp and Inkscape. Inkscape is based on the Sodipodi codebase and adds
lots of features. I'm back to Illustrator on mac now, though, because
it does things I need that Inkscape won't do.

- Rob.

Steve wrote:
>Although it is hard to use
> the net for art purposes without looking at images, and I know
> some people really like ascii art and people from Middle Europe
> who are sort of the gods of it, but clear to me their should
> be something more.
MANIK is much more than you think.Our engagement on Rhizome_Raw was guerilla
concept,we use Rhizome like our site,kind of ready-made in process(actually
everybody does,but concept existed when you are able to have reflexion about
the same).That was(if it was)subversive.Also sense is in disjunction between
seeing and thinking.MANIK considered seeing as space which contend some
visual volume.For year and half it was images(on Rhizome _Raw),but not from
second hand,like "click here to see..".It was always surprise,and it's
amazing how simple act like that could be different that other form of
re-presentation.We are not sure why they throw our images from Rhizome,but
we are suspects it's more than software issues.
Middle Europe?On Rhizome,or everywhere else we are in cyber world,which mean
World.
MANIK
PS:Will you be kind to show us works of that middle-europe-people.It could
be pleasant surprise.
—– Original Message —–
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: embedding <img> in email


> Question, does anyone here use Linux for image and picture
> work and if so what tools do they reccommend? This question
> came up because even the mention of HTML in messages makes
> many linux types either roar "PLAIN TEXT! NO HTML! YOU'RE SUCH
> A WINDOWS TYPE!" when mentioned. Although it is hard to use
> the net for art purposes without looking at images, and I know
> some people really like ascii art and people from Middle Europe
> who are sort of the gods of it, but clear to me their should
> be something more. It should be easy to use and it shouldn't
> require going to 11 archane sites and collecting 4 arcane pieces
> of freeare to use. Heaven knows that financial necessity has
> caused me to collect a variety of freeware and low cost ware,
> someof which I really like. Real Alternative's "Real Player"
> standin works rather well. But I do get sort of rattled that
> a large amount of things want me to "Go Pro" whereas in the
> case of things like WINAMP I don't know if there is even a
> NULLSOFT to send out the passcodes although I guess if the
> software works automaticly it might be worth a shot, as
> burning from running media does intrigue me.
>
> Have Fun,
> Sends Steve
>
>
> > For HTML to go through an email, the Multipart header has to be sent to
> > tell the recipient that the text is HTML and not plain-text. If you're
> > writing in "rich text" mode or something like that, your email program
> > sets that header for you but isn't likely to give you 100% HTML editing
> > capability; just bold, italic, font coloring, etc. If you try pasting
> > raw HTML into a text email, that won't work 'cause the program isn't
> > setting the header, so whoever gets it will treat it like raw text. And
> > if you paste HTML into an HTML email, then it gets double-escaped:
> >
> > <img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" />
> >
> > becomes
> >
> > &lt;img src="http://rhizome.org/mypic.gif" /&gt;
> >
> > or something like that.
> >
> > I think the lack of HTML editing in email isn't really an anti-spam
> > measure; just that HTML editing is considered sort of a uber-power-user
> > feature that most customers aren't going to want.
> >
> > When websites like Rhizome send out HTML email (like in NetArtNews) we
> > write our custom mailers so we can drop arbitrary HTML into the email.
> > Spammers, too.
> >
> > I suppose the quickest way to embed IMG in an email would be to either
> > hack a webmail client to accept HTML, or hack a desktop client like
> > Mozilla's mail client. Or you could just write your own
> > Perl/Python/Ruby script to read HTML from a file, stitch it into an
> > email, and send the email off.
> >
> > On Nov 24, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> You can edit the html in a text editor, then copy & paste it into
> >>> a "plain text" email, so not allowing you to edit the html
> >>> doesn't really stop misuse of the feature, it just makes it
> >>> harder to use it legitimately (assuming there was even a design
> >>> decision on this).
> >>>
> >>> - Rob.
> >>
> >> tried that, sent myself such a msg, but you just view the html upon
> >> reception, not the rendering. at least in outlook.
> >>
> >> ja
> >>
> >>
> >> +
> >> -> post: [email protected]
> >> -> questions: [email protected]
> >> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> >> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> >> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> >> +
> >> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> >> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >>
> >>
> > Francis Hwang
> > Director of Technology
> > Rhizome.org
> > phone: 212-219-1288x202
> > AIM: francisrhizome
> > + + +
> >
> > +
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
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> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>